Muwan Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 I to čudo je verovatno otporno na sve i svašta. Prosto mi je neverovatno da nema ni traga, ni glasa od uređaja. mislim da je potrebna posebna oprema za "slušanje" te da domet nije bogzna koliki. Na onako maloj dubini i sa onoliko brodova na površini, trebalo bi da mogu da uhvate signal. Kako stvari stoje oni naprosto traže olupinu na pogrešnom mestu.
Čutura Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 The revelation follows confirmation that at least two passengers boarded missing Malaysia Airlines flight 370 in Kuala Lumpur with stolen passports, while another passenger held a fake passport. Four passengers in total are under suspicion and an investigation is underway into how such a major security breach could occur. men'' je ovo
Frile Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 Na onako maloj dubini i sa onoliko brodova na površini, trebalo bi da mogu da uhvate signal. Kako stvari stoje oni naprosto traže olupinu na pogrešnom mestu. Domet je svega 2-3 km. Link
Muwan Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 Reuters javlja da on-board računar nije poslao nijednu poruku kroz ACARS sistem za dojavu grešaka/kvarova/otkaza/anomalija: http://news.yahoo.com/no-automated-messages-missing-boeing-jet-sources-183058859--sector.html Ovo bi moglo da znači kompletan gubitak napajanja u trenu, usled čega su svi sistemi prestali da rade i crne kutije prestale sa snimanjem. Ne vidim drugi način da se ovo desi osim kompletnog raspada letelice u vazduhu. AF447 je recimo slao ove poruke dok se survavao u Atlantik. Ali sve ovo opet ne objašnjava zbog čega nema bilo kakvih ostataka na predvidjenoj putanji leta.
Prospero Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 Reuters javlja da on-board računar nije poslao nijednu poruku kroz ACARS sistem za dojavu grešaka/kvarova/otkaza/anomalija: http://news.yahoo.com/no-automated-messages-missing-boeing-jet-sources-183058859--sector.html Ovo bi moglo da znači kompletan gubitak napajanja u trenu, usled čega su svi sistemi prestali da rade i crne kutije prestale sa snimanjem. Ne vidim drugi način da se ovo desi osim kompletnog raspada letelice u vazduhu. AF447 je recimo slao ove poruke dok se survavao u Atlantik. Ali sve ovo opet ne objašnjava zbog čega nema bilo kakvih ostataka na predvidjenoj putanji leta. koliko shvatam, acars nije obavezan sistem razmene podataka, ne mogu da nađem da li ga MAS koristi. po tonu ove vesti izgleda da ga koriste mada... edit: ako je otkazala elektronika koja je napajala komunikacioni deo, moguće je da je ostalo snage za jedrenje, sa te visine i pri toj brzini verovatno su mogli preći još bar 100km. ako je zadržao osnovnu plovidbenost i upravljivost mogao je u jednom komadu udariti u vodu, pri čemu bi se verovatno raspao, a voda bi brzo progutala veći deo trupa... ostaje pitanje radarske slike...
jms_uk Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 Ja koliko procitah, izgleda da MAS nije platio za to, mada nema ni potvrde ni demantija od njih na tu temu.
jms_uk Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 Hm. Ja ne bih smeo da provedem u UK više od 6 meseci godišnje. Kako znaju koliko sam tu ako ne proveravaju izlazak? Da ne govorimo o tome što svaka budala može da uđe u avion... Teorijski kroz APIS [Advance Passenger Information System] kada se tvoji podaci [pasos, viza i dr. prosledjuju vlastima], ali ne znam kako to funkcionise u praksi.
jms_uk Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 A senior police official told Reuters that people armed with explosives and carrying false identity papers had tried to fly out of Kuala Lumpur in the past, and that current investigations were focused on two passengers who were on the missing plane with stolen passports. "We have stopped men with false or stolen passports and carrying explosives, who have tried to get past KLIA (airport) security and get on to a plane," he said. "There have been two or three incidents, but I will not divulge the details." http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/10/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140310
Indy Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 S druge strane ako bi trazio dodatne provere na osnovu boje koze mozda bi doslo do incidenta na rasnoj osnovi, kome to treba od njih, lakse je lupiti pecat. Ne bih se složio. Pasoška kontrola je tu zato da proverava sve što im izgleda čudno. Mene su (malo) muštrali pri ulasku u USA sa novozelandskim pasošem jer im je "bilo čudno" što nisam rođen u NZ. Nisam nikako za "racial profiling", ali bezbednosne službe moraju da rade na osnovu nekakvih pretpostavki (inače bi mogli i da ih pošaljemo kući, što s obzirom kako izgleda rade u mnogo slučajeva, i možemo).
jms_uk Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 AP: Azharuddin said the search includes northern parts of the Malacca Strait, on the opposite side of the Malay Peninsula and far west of the plane's last known location. Azharuddin would not explain why crews were searching there, saying, "There are some things that I can tell you and some things that I can't."
Indy Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 "There are some things that I can tell you and some things that I can't." Biće na kraju da je maležanska vojska (greškom?) roknula ovaj avion.
Aineko Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 "There are some things that I can tell you and some things that I can't." bas odmerena izjava u ovakvoj situaciji...
Indy Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 Biće na kraju da je maležanska vojska (greškom?) roknula ovaj avion. Inače, nije to ni skroz bezvezna ideja.
Prospero Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 amerikanci rekoše da nisu detektovali nikakvu eksploziju u vazduhu.
Prospero Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 Hong Kong's Air Traffic Control Center reported on Mar 10th 2014 around 17:30L (09:30Z) that an airliner enroute on airway L642 reported via HF radio that they saw a large field of debris at position N9.72 E107.42 about 80nm southeast of Ho Chi Minh City, about 50nm off the south-eastern coast of Vietnam in the South China Sea and about 281nm northeast of the last known radar position. Ships have been dispatched to the reported debris field. Vietnam's Headquarters for the Search and Rescue operation of MH-370 confirmed receiving the report by Hong Kong's Air Traffic Control Center stating that a Hong Kong based airliner reported a large field of debris while enroute on airway L642. A Thai cargo ship in the area was asked for assistance and has set course to the area but did not find anything unusual so far. A second vessel asked for assistance did find some debris. Following this finding Vietnam's Maritime Search and Rescue Services (MRCC) dispatched a ship to the debris field. Hong Kong's Civil Aviation Department confirmed a Cathay Pacific flight from Hong Kong to Kuala Lumpur spotted large amount of debris while enroute off the coast of South East Vietnam. mali follow up onog izveštaja iz hk.
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