Avionski udesi i nesreće

[Muwan]

e a ko je to saopštio kad svi reagujete? zvanični istražni organi? kompanija?

 

 

Zvanični istražni organi više nisu potrebni. Tužilaštvo će to da reši brzo i efikasno.

 

Ako se zaista radi samo o suicidu kopilota, to nije prvi slučaj. Jedan je zvanično utvrđen u Africi pre par godina, a za još dva postoje ozbiljne sumnje (EgyptAir i SilkAir)-

[Аврам Гојић]

ma mogu oni da kazu sta god hoce. izracunali su damage control i optuzili kopilota. 

 

kako mogu da govore o nameri kopilota?? kako znaju da li je uopste bio ziv?

 

da li je moguće da misliš da je ovo damage control bilo koje vrste?

ovo je apsolutno najgora moguća vest za avioindustriju.

Edited March 26, 2015 by Грешни Василије

[theanswer]

a šta bi sa onim protokolom da ne sme samo jedna osoba da ostane u kokpitu ?

To je samo u usa valjda

[Frile]

a šta bi sa onim protokolom da ne sme samo jedna osoba da ostane u kokpitu ?

 

negde sam pročitao da taj protokol zavisi od aviokompanije, u lufthansi sme da ostane samo jedna osoba

[Time Crisis]

ma mogu oni da kazu sta god hoce. izracunali su damage control i optuzili kopilota. 

kako mogu da govore o nameri kopilota?? kako znaju da li je uopste bio ziv?

 

Pa ko je zaključao vrata i usmerio avion nadole? Slučajnost je isključena.

[InvisibleLight]

jbt da postoji neka mogucnost da se rodbini i prijatlejima poginulih saopsti druga prica (da nisu bili svesni desavanja), ovo ce ih rastrojiti do krajnosti :(

[Prospero]

rekao je tužilac da se sve do kraja čulo 'normalno' disanje kopilota, dakle bio je živ, a i da su putnici postali svesni tek pred sam kraj

[Singer]

jel mogao on nekako da dekompresuje putnički deo, da se poonesvesćuju?

[theanswer]

28god imao kopilot

[Muwan]

Pariz -- Kopilot na letu "Džermanvingsa" 4U 9525 namerno je oborio letelicu, rekao je francuski tužilac, prenose svetski mediji.

 

Podaci iz crne kutije pokazuju da je kopilot ostao zaključan sam u kabini i da je "namerno usmerio letelicu ka zemlji, sa namerom da je uništi".

"U kokpitu je vladala poptuna tišina. Kopilot nije rekao nijednu reč nakon što je pilot izašao iz kabine. Kopilot je namerno odbijao da otvori vrata pilotu. Ovo nije nesreća", rekao je tužilac.

 

Ovo je faking skandal, ja ne verujem da se ovo dešava. Tužilac koji iz jednog audio zapisa uzme i izvuče sve zaključke o tome šta se desilo i ko je šta nameravao. Ne treba mu ni FDR (koji je daleko važnija crna kutija od CVR) ni bilo šta drugo - zvuk lupanja o vrata mu je sve rekao. Potpuno neverovatno.

 

Sreća u nesreći je da makar istražitelji ne učestvuju u tom teatru diletantizma.

[Singer]

rekao je tužilac da se sve do kraja čulo 'normalno' disanje kopilota, dakle bio je živ, a i da su putnici postali svesni tek pred sam kraj

 

čudno... pilot lupa na vrata 18 minuta (sigurno je bio zabrinut plus je sigurno primetio da avion gubi visinu) a putnici sede i ništa ne provaljuju?

[Muwan]

da li je moguće da misliš da je ovo damage control bilo koje vrste?

ovo je apsolutno najgora moguća vest za avioindustriju.

 

Zašto najgora moguća? Ako je istina to uopšte nije prvi zabeležen slučaj (doduše jeste prvi na teritorijama koje naseljavaju više rase). O nervno labilnim pilotima se odavno govori i usvajaju se određene bezbednosne procedure koje treba da preduprede mogućnost da im nešto padne na pamet tokom leta.

[Prospero]

pohvalni tekst iz 2013 o kopilotu, andreau lubicu:

 

FAA recognizes Andreas Guenter Lubitz

 

Rheinland Pfalz-based pilot sets positive example

 

 

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) is recognizing Andreas Guenter Lubitz with inclusion in the prestigious FAA Airmen Certification Database.

 

The database, which appears on the agency's website at www.faa.gov, names Lubitz and other certified pilots who have met or exceeded the high educational, licensing and medical standards established by the FAA.

 

Pilot certification standards have evolved over time in an attempt to reduce pilot errors that lead to fatal crashes. FAA standards, which are set in consultation with the aviation industry and the public, are among the highest in the world.

 

Transportation safety experts strongly recommend against flying with an uncertified pilot. FAA pilot certification can be the difference between a safe flight and one that ends in tragedy.

 

The FAA recently announced that is it increasing the qualification requirements for co-pilots who fly for U.S. passenger and cargo airlines. These requirements mandate additional minimum flight time and training, as well as aircraft specific training.

 

"Safety will be my overriding priority as Secretary, so I am especially pleased to mark my first week by announcing a rule that will help us maintain our unparalleled safety record," said Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx in a press release. "We owe it to the traveling public to have only the most qualified and best trained pilots."

 

 

According to the FAA, the new regulations stem in part from the crash of Colgan Air 3407 in February 2009. An investigation of the crash revealed that pilot Renslow, had failed three "check rides" (the flying equivalent of driver proficiency tests) and may not have had adequate training to respond to the emergency leading up to the crash.

 

The FAA offers a variety of pilots licenses and certificates, each with a different set of privileges. These levels include Student, Recreational, Sport, Private, Commercial And Airline Transport Pilot.

 

Pilots with a student pilot certification are not permitted to fly solo and are barred from carrying passengers. Sport pilot certificate holders can not carry more than one passenger and are permitted to only fly light-sport aircraft during the daytime.

 

The highest level of certification is the Airline Transport Pilot Certificate (ATP), which is required to fly a commercial airliner.

 

To obtain Airline Transport Pilot Certificate, pilots must possess a commercial pilot license, have more than 1500 hours of experience in aircraft and be at least 21 years old. However, pilots with an aviation degree can qualify for the certificate with just 1,000 hours.

 

Pilots obtaining an Airline Transport Pilot Certificate must also pass an exam covering air law, general aircraft knowledge, flight planning, meteorology, navigation, instrumentation and other important topics.

 

Pilots are required to pass a physical examination administered by a FAA-authorized medical examiner.

 

There are a number of medical conditions that the FAA considers disqualifying, such as Bipolar disease, cardiac valve replacement, coronary heart disease, diabetes mellitus requiring hypoglycemic medications, disturbance of consciousness without satisfactory explanation of cause, epilepsy, heart replacement, Myocardial infarction, permanent cardiac pacemaker, personality disorder that is severe enough to have repeatedly manifested itself by overt acts, psychosis, substance abuse, substance dependence, transient loss of control of nervous system function(s) without satisfactory explanation of cause.

 

Pilots are required to report to the FAA's Security and Investigations Division any alcohol-related vehicle actions, such as an arrest, administrative action, driver license suspension.

 

The FAA has reason to be concerned in general about alcohol use by pilots. Recently, a 48 year-old American Eagle pilot was forced from the aircraft cockpit after airline employees smells alcohol on him. The pilot, Kolbjorn Jarle Kristiansen , subsequently failed a breathalyzer test and was arrested.

 

The Federal Aviation Administration's Airmen Certification Database contains the following listing:

 

UniqueID: A4833038

FirstName: Andreas Guenter

LastName: Lubitz

Street1: Am Spiessweiher 8

Street2: Montabaur

City: Rheinland Pfalz

State:

Zip: 56410

Country: GERMANY

Region: EU

MedClass: 3

MedDate: 062010

MedExpDate: 062015

 

@Singer

 

što 18 minuta, 'pad' je trajao manje od 10?

[Frile]

čudno... pilot lupa na vrata 18 minuta (sigurno je bio zabrinut plus je sigurno primetio da avion gubi visinu) a putnici sede i ništa ne provaljuju?

 

 

otkud sad 18 minuta?

[Muwan]

čudno... pilot lupa na vrata 18 minuta (sigurno je bio zabrinut plus je sigurno primetio da avion gubi visinu) a putnici sede i ništa ne provaljuju?

 

Otkud znaš da su samo sedeli i ništa nisu provalili? Možda je njih deset zajedno pokušavalo da razvali vrata dok su ostali kucali oproštajne poruke u telefone (koji su naravno bili izvan bilo kakvog dometa).