Zemljotres od 9 stepeni Rihtera u Japanu, 11.03.2011

[Indy]

Uzgred, ko po tebi skreće priču sa cunamija na nuklearku?

Aman, zaman, covek je 100% u pravu.Prvih 10 dana posle zemljotresa, naslovi u medijima su bili ovakvi: VISE OD 10.000 MRTVIH; HAVARIJA U FUKUSHIMI (doslovan prevod, bas tako je pisalo).Posle toga, vise skoro niko nije ni pominjao zemljotres i cunami (i nema to nikakve veze sa Japancima, radi se o svetskim medijima).Evo, primetili su to isto i na blogu novinarskog koledza BBC

A week last Friday, in response to the Japanese earthquake and tsunami, the Science Media Centre dropped every other story and started issuing comments from experts on earthquakes and tsunamis, warning them to prepare for days of back-to-back interviews. We forewarned our public health experts that the media interest would soon turn to them and planned to line up our trauma experts and psychologists.Then there were explosions at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant. Suddenly, this was the only game in town as far as the media was concerned.

Edited April 3, 2011 by Indy

[Yoyogi]

Tebe nije sramota da napišeš ovo boldovano? Za to treba biti ili baš neobrazovan ili nemoralan.Da li se ti zezaš na neprikladnom topiku ili stvarno misliš ovo?

0 mrtvih od Fukushime0 po zdravlje stetno ozracenih, cak ni radnici koji su jos uvek tamo.Ti se zezaj do mile volje, ovo su chinjenice.

[borris_]

Potrazih jos malo o Brook-u

Jim Green exposes Barry Brook’s pro nuclear spinAustralia’s nuclear spin doctors, Green Left, March 20, 2011, By Jim Green . Pro-nuclear commentators in Australian have downplayed the crisis even as radiation monitors detected alarming jumps in radioactivity near the reactors and low levels of radiation as far away as Tokyo.How have Australian scientists handled the difficult task of keeping us informed about the unfolding nuclear disaster in Japan?Only a few Australian scientists have featured repeatedly in the media. The most prominent have been Professor Aidan Byrne from the Australian National University, RMIT Chancellor Dr Ziggy Switkowski and Professor Barry Brook from the University of Adelaide.See also: Australia’s role in Japan’s nuclear fiascoA clear pattern is evident — those with the greatest ideological attachment to nuclear power have provided the most inaccurate commentary……..Switkowski has been gently spinning the issue, repeatedly reassuring us that lessons will be learned and improvements made. However, history shows that nuclear lessons are not properly learned.The OECD’s NEA notes that “lessons may be learned but too often they are subsequently forgotten, or they are learned but by the wrong people, or they are learned but not acted upon”…….Brook is a strident nuclear power advocate and host of the Brave New Climate website, which received more than one million hits in the first week after the crisis.Brook has egg on his face. Make that an omelette. He has maintained a running commentary in the media and on his website insisting that the situation is under control and that there is no reason for concern.His message remained unchanged: even as it was revealed that efforts to cool the nuclear reactor cores were meeting with mixed success; even as deliberate and uncontrolled radiation releases occurred; even as explosions occurred; even as 200,000 people were evacuated; even as a fire led to spent nuclear fuel releasing radiation directly to the environment; and even as radiation monitors detected alarming jumps in radioactivity near the reactors and low levels of radiation as far away as Tokyo.On March 12, the day after the earthquake and tsunami, Brook came out swinging, insisting: “There is no credible risk of a serious accident.”That afternoon, after the first explosion at Fukushima, Brook made numerous assertions, most of which turned out to be wrong: “The risk of meltdown is extremely small, and the death toll from any such accident, even if it occurred, will be zero.“There will be no breach of containment and no release of radioactivity beyond, at the very most, some venting of mildly radioactive steam to relieve pressure.“Those spreading FUD [fear, uncertainty and doubt] at the moment will be the ones left with egg on their faces. I am happy to be quoted forever after on the above if I am wrong … but I won’t be.“The only reactor that has a small probability of being ‘finished’ is unit 1. And I doubt that, but it may be offline for a year or more.”On the night of March 12, Brook said: “When the dust settles, people will realise how well the Japanese reactors — even the 40-year-old one — stood up to this incredibly energetic earthquake event.”The dust is finally settling and it seems likely that four reactors will be write-offs.On March 13, Brook said of the unfolding disaster: “I don’t see the ramifications of this as damaging at all to nuclear power’s prospects.”Yet within days of the start of the nuclear crisis, Germany, Switzerland and China announced that their nuclear power plans would be reconsidered in light of Fukushima.The Labor Party and the Coalition in Australia seem to have abandoned their interest in developing nuclear power here.On March 14, when the second explosion at Fukushima occurred, Brook was still insisting that “the nuclear reactors have come through remarkably well”.That evening, half a dozen people were banned from posting comments directly on the Brave New Climate website. True, some of their comments were silly and inaccurate, but by those criteria Brook ought to have banned himself.With a fire at Fukushima spewing radioisotopes directly into the environment, Brook rallied the pro-nuclear lobby, arguing: “Now, more than ever, we must stand up for what we believe is right.”But cracks were starting to emerge by the evening of March 15. Brook acknowledged an “ongoing crisis situation”, banned another 40-50 “random nobodies” from posting comments directly on his website, and quoted Rudyard Kipling: If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken / Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools. One contributor to Brook’s website said: “Unfortunately, Prof. Brook has really abdicated a neutral position on this event. His clear support of nuclear power seems to have impacted his critical thinking skills. … Every time he states something in this crisis is ‘impossible’, it seems to happen the next day.”…….Brook continued spinning.In the same web-post, he uncritically reproduced this from the Nuclear Energy Institute: “Japan’s Chief Cabinet Secretary, Yukio Edano, said earlier today a radiation level of 33 millirem per hour was measured about 20 kilometers from the Fukushima Daiichi plant earlier this morning. He said that level does not pose an immediate health risk.”But that dose equates to almost 3,000 millisieverts a year, compared to the annual allowable limit for members of the public of just one millisievert per year. And keep in mind this is 20 kilometers from the Fukushima nuclear plant.It is by no means a negligible dose and it seems increasingly likely that collective human exposure to radiation from Fukushima will be significant — a great deal less than exposure from Chernobyl fallout, but significant nonetheless.Andrew Bolt at the Herald Sun has been urging people to read the “marvellously sane and cool explanation” of the Fukushima crisis from “our friend Professor Barry Brook”.Both Bolt and Brook claim that no more than 50 people died from the Chernobyl catastrophe. The scientific estimates of the Chernobyl death toll range from 9,000 to 93,000.Brook has spread misinformation as far and wide as the Fukushima reactors have spread radiation over the past week. With the 25th anniversary of the Chernobyl disaster falling on April 26, he will likely continue spinning.This sad situation proves yet again that some of the most unscientific, anti-scientific jiggery pokery comes from scientists themselves.That history can be traced back to the British nuclear bomb tests in Australia, when ideologically-driven scientists peddled whatever nonsense their political masters asked them to about the radiation fallout.Australia’s nuclear spin doctors | Green Left Weekly

[Roger Sanchez]

Oshima, Japan (CNN) -- Susumu Sugawara looks bemused and a little embarrassed at all the attention he's getting. The 64 year old has become a local hero on the Japanese island of Oshima. Smashed boats adorn the coastline of this once-idyllic tourist spot, but Sugawara's pride and joy, "Sunflower" is intact and working overtime transporting people and aid to and from the island. It can hold around 20 people at a time. When the tsunami came, everyone ran to the hills. But Sugawara ran to his boat and steered it into deeper waters. "I knew if I didn't save my boat, my island would be isolated and in trouble," he tells CNN. As he passed his other boats, used for fishing abalone, he said goodbye to them, apologizing that he could not save them all.Then the first wave came. Sugawara says he is used to seeing waves up to 5 meters high but this was four-times that size. "My feeling at this moment is indescribable," he says with glistening eyes. "I talked to my boat and said you've been with me 42 years. If we live or die, then we'll be together, then I pushed on full throttle."

.....Pazi ti ovo, komparativna analiza medijskih naslova.FUD opinjuni. A indy se bori protivu njija. A spectacle that is.

[Indy]

Reagovanje je posledica smeshne odbrane od potencijalno svetske katastrofe - zalivaj vodom mesec dana - pa kako nam se zalomi, dakle teorija zalamanja . Tako je radio i prachovek.Ako se reaktori o'lade - o'lade se, ako ne - e, onda ..... yebiga.Ne znam da li postoji neko ko nije shvatio koliko su se svi u ovoj nesreci oslonili na - SRECU.

O boze svemoguci, odakle samo izvirete sa svojim glupostima? Nisu se oslonili ni na kakvu srecu, nego na fiziku. I ohladili su reaktore, sto je bilo i za ocekivati. Kakav crni pracovek, zasto mi moramo da citamo tvoja pracovecanska lupetanja jbte?

[Indy]

Potrazih jos malo o Brook-u

Svaka cast, uspeo si na brzaka da iskopas nesto kriticno na njegov racun. Ne da se malo informises sa bloga koji je prepun detaljnih tehnickih informacija?BTW. Za to sto si boldirao, pa mislim propustili se da primetite da je Brook nekoliko dana kasnije javno priznao da je pogresio u proceni. Ne bi se tako nesto desilo vasim antinuklearnim aktivistima, koji lupetaju onoliko ("milion mrtvih od Cernobilja") i to vec decenijama, bez da se ikad zapitaju sta to pricaju.

FUD opinjuni. A indy se bori protivu njija. A spectacle that is.

Rodjere, ja sam naveo blog na kom pisu strucnjaci (ukljucujuci i energeticare-specijaliste). Znaci nisu u pitanju ti tvoji vraziji "opinjuni" (dosadan si sa time). Zasto je to smesno/zabavno sto se ja borim protiv FUD-a, nije mi jasno. Zaista ne vidim potrebu za tim tvojim pljuckanjem. Inace sam danas pratio tvoju aktivnost na ovom podforumu i zakljucio da hodas po samoj ivici, neukusno (ispod radara) napadajuci ljude za stavove koje iznose po nacionalnoj osnovi. Samo, uspevas u tome da budes malcice sofisticiran, pa to nekako promice forumskim vlastima. Edited April 4, 2011 by Marvin (Paranoid Android)
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[Indy]

Potrazih jos malo o Brook-u

Autor ti je inace u Australiji poznati ekstremni levicar (Green Left, potrazi - EDIT. Drze sliku Chaveza na naslovnoj strani).Kod Brooka se, jos jednom (i poslednji put) ne radi o "pronuklearnom spinovanju". On sam placa za svoj blog iz svog dzepa, a platu prima kao profesor PROMENE KLIME (nije cak ni energeticar). Nema nikakve veze sa nuklearnom industrijom. Kao sto sam napisao, kao svaki pravi naucnik, ide tamo gde ga vode fakti, a fakti su ono sto sam napisao: glas protiv nuklearki je glas za fosilna goriva. Zdravo, dovidjenja. Edited April 3, 2011 by Indy

[borris_]

Ukucao njegovo ime i nuke loby, trazio 10s.

One contributor to Brook’s website said: “Unfortunately, Prof. Brook has really abdicated a neutral position on this event. His clear support of nuclear power seems to have impacted his critical thinking skills. … Every time he states something in this crisis is ‘impossible’, it seems to happen the next day.”……

.Nisam ja nikakav antinuklearni aktivista i oni nisu moji ali tebi ne smeta da ih nazivas olako budalama a ovim pro nuke aktivistima slijepo vjerujes iako su se vise puta zafrkkali (i te kako) u procjenama jer su se izvinuli za pocetne procjene (stonaravno znaci da nece grijesiti ali ako slucajno pogrijese izvinuce se opet). Edited April 3, 2011 by borris_

[Indy]

Ukucao njegovo ime i nuke loby, trazio 10s..Nisam ja nikakav antinuklearni aktivista i oni nisu moji ali tebi ne smeta da ih nazivas olako budalama a ovim pro nuke aktivistima slijepo vjerujes iako su se vise puta zafrkkali u procjenama jer su se izvinuli za pocetne procjene.

Specificno, nazvao sam budalom osobu koja tvrdi da je akcident u Fukushimi gori od Cernobilja (a nije ni uporedljiv sa Cernobiljem). Barry Brook nije pro nuke aktivista, niti "nuke loby", vec naucnik. Tako stoje fakti. Ne radi se o "vjeri", posebno ne slepoj. Ti si taj koji dograbis prvi link koji izguglas i tresnes ga ovde bez trunke razmisljanja (prvo onu antinuklearnu budalu, a zatim ekstremnog levicara iz Australije).

[borris_]

Nisam ja antinuklearnu budalu linkovao, to je Yoyogi uradio, ja sam linkovao pronuklearnu budalu.

[Yoyogi]

Sta dalje posle zemljotresa i tsunamija?Vlada je izasla sa planom da otkupi zemlju unistenu nesrecom i da je plati po cenama koje su bile pre toga. Jos da plati 75% troskova izgradnje nove kuce na drugom mestu.Kako ce neko moci da dokaze sta je imao?Zemljisne knjige su kompjuterizovane, takodje i "house papers". To je raspolozivo.Arhaicno mozda izgleda (to je relikt onoga kako je Kina vladala pre 10+ vekova) ali ti dokumenti su i danas u upotrebi po celoj Aziji. I u Thai je isto.I ja ih imam, i ovde i u Thai. Tacno u kvadratni centimetar mog stana i ko u njemu zivi. Ko u njemu ne zivi, nema sta da trazi (digresija: tako Kina kontrolise 1 child policy, drugo dete ne moze da udje u house papers, nema socijalno, nema skolu, nema nista, ne postoji).Velika logisticka vezba da se ovo sve vrati na neki normalan zivot, a vratice se.

[Indy]

Nisam ja antinuklearnu budalu linkovao, to je Yoyogi uradio, ja sam linkovao pronuklearnu budalu.

Ja sam objasnio zasto je antinuklearna budala = budala (da li imas neki komentar na to da je Fukushima gora od Cernobilja?) Barry Brook je profesor elitnog australijskog univerziteta mladji od mene sa 3 objavljene knjige i preko 150 objavljenih naucnih radova. Ako ti mislis da je to opis "aktiviste" i "budale", onda si ti ovde najgora budala.

[Yoyogi]

Da naplatimo.Sta smo imali?Medijsku frku oko Fukushime, nula dinara. Spektakl je piss-poor, tako je i zavrsio.Zaboravljanje sta se u stvari desilo? To na savest, ne kosta sada nista.

[Yoyogi]

Nisam ja antinuklearnu budalu linkovao, to je Yoyogi uradio, ja sam linkovao pronuklearnu budalu.

Ta osoba je moron, to je vise od budale.

[Yoyogi]

Nadjena su tela dvojice koji su se vodili kao nestali u Fukushimi. Nesrecnici su od tsunamija zadobili "eksterne povrede", prakticno, tsunami ih je nacisto polomio.Treci, u 12km udaljenoj elektrani Dai-ni (dai je kao No.) je pao iz kabine krana kada je zemljotres udario i tu poginuo.Njihova nesreca i smrt jesu gubitak ali tesko poveziv sa bezbednoscu nuklearki.