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evo na jednom mestu spisak korisnih linkova koje sam dobila na uvid:1) JAIF (Japan Atomic Industrial Forum) website: http://www.jaif.or.jp/english/ 2) TEPCO Press Releases: http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/index-e.html 3) NISA (Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency) website: http://www.nisa.meti.go.jp/english/ 4) IAEA website: http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/tsunamiupdate01.html 5) World Nuclear News: http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/ 6) Nuclear Energy Institute (NEI) website: http://nei.cachefly.net/newsandevents/information-on-the-japanese-earthquake-and-reactors-in-that-region/ 7) MEXT (Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology) website: http://www.mext.go.jp/english/ (provides data on radiological monitoring)8) Japan broadcast services: NHK World live stream: http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/ and Kyodo News: http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/japan_nuclear_crisis/ 9) Wikipedia pages: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Fukushima_nuclear_accidents ; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_I_nuclear_accidents

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Jebeš mu mater, kad u nekoj emisji, koja predenduje da bude ozbiljna čujem nešto o astrologiji, dobijem napad sličan onom koji Vasa ima kada se spomene GSP...
To što je mesec u apogei nije astrologija nego astronomija... iako je potpuno irelevantan astronomski podatak, naravno. Mesečeva najbliža tačka u orbiti nema baš nikakve veze sa zemljotresima i plimskim talasima, ali šta sad, zabava za mase. Slično kao ono sa alignmentom planeta što svakih par godina zaluta iz holivudskog treša na neku "ozbiljnu" televiziju. Kao, kad se planete "poređaju" u približnu istu liniju u odnosu na Sunce, onda će njihov kumulativni gravitacioni uticaj da napravi ršum ovde na jadnoj maloj Zemlji. I onda naravno ide majansko proročanstvo, Nostradamus, i ostale krucijalne naučne činjenice :yawn2:
Jebote, NEKI veruju, a stručnjaci ne veruju... Pa koji kurac onda spominje te neke? Čime su ti NEKI zaslužili da se njihovo mišljenje spominje?
Svi smo mi pomalo stručnjaci. U svakom polju možeš da nađeš nekog ludaka koji predstavlja 0.0000001% svojih kolega; onda naravno daš 50% vremena u programu njemu, a 50% svima ostalima koji tvrde da su njegove gluposti stvarno gluposti. Nepristrasno i objektivno...
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To što je mesec u apogei nije astrologija nego astronomija... iako je potpuno irelevantan astronomski podatak, naravno. Mesečeva najbliža tačka u orbiti nema baš nikakve veze sa zemljotresima i plimskim talasima, ali šta sad, zabava za mase.
izvini, ali odakle ti ovaj podatak?naravno da utice na plimski talas.The changing distance separating the Moon and Earth also affects tide heights. When the Moon is at perigee, the range increases, and when it is at apogee, the range shrinks. Every 7½ lunations (the full cycles from full moon to new to full), perigee coincides with either a new or full moon causing perigean spring tides with the largest tidal range. If a storm happens to be moving onshore at this time, the consequences (property damage, etc.) can be severe.http://home.hiwaay.net/~krcool/Astro/moon/moontides/
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Stabiliziuje se dotok vesti koje govore o unapredjenju situacije. Svih 6 reaktora iz Dai-ichi (Dai-jedan) po redu, ne po preduzetim akcijama: Reaktor 1. i 2: danas popodne se ocekuje reaktiviranje pumpi koje koriste novodovedeni eksterni kabl.Reaktor 3, nocas je upumpano 2000 tona (~ olimpijski bazen). Operacija je bila automatska, automatskim uredjajima, bez ljudske posade.Reaktor 4., ista operacija sa robotskim uredjajima je pocela ovog jutra i u toku je. (nadam se da ce onaj robot i njegovi rukovaoci iz reklame nekoliko strana ranije koji, stizu da pomognu nespremnoj vladi, stici kasno). Reaktor 5, (najmanje ostecen): reaktivirane pumpe za hladjenje.Reaktor 6, aktivirane su pumpe za hladjenje i temperatura reaktora je smanjena sa 67C (od pre aktiviranja pumpi) na 52C.

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Mari je preživela zemljotres, sledeći dan je kupila naručene cipele za moju drugaricu iz Sarajeva (u Tokiju), odletela u London na nekakav sastanak, predala cipele, odbila je da ostane u Evropi, sad je ponovo u Japanu, mora da brine o roditeljima.Hail.gif

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izvini, ali odakle ti ovaj podatak?naravno da utice na plimski talas.
Utiče na plimu ali zanemarljivo malo. Plima je periodično (i redovno) povišen nivo vode na obali, koji ne implicira nikakve iznenadne talase, nikakvo uništenje, nikakve katastrofe.Ne utiče na "plimske" talase u rogue wave smislu, tj. ne stvara neobjašnjivo visoke talase koji potapaju brodove i sl. Terminologija je tu malo isprepletana, ali cunamijem se obično naziva talas koji nastaje kao posledica tektonskih poremećaja, koji su po definiciji neregularni, i nemaju nikakve veze sa mesečevim menama.
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Mari je preživela zemljotres, sledeći dan je kupila naručene cipele za moju drugaricu iz Sarajeva (u Tokiju), odletela u London na nekakav sastanak, predala cipele, odbila je da ostane u Evropi, sad je ponovo u Japanu, mora da brine o roditeljima.
To mora da je bilo nesto od zivotne vaznosti kada je uopste otisla na taj sastanak. Koliko ja shvatam, niko koga znam ne bi ni otisao a kamoli pomislio da se ne vrati ili "saceka da prodje" van mesta najblizeg onome gde treba da bude, cak ni unutar Japana.
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Evakuacioni centri, 10 slika sa neta uz koje mogu da kazem nesto sto nije bilo uz njih.Vojska doprema kerozin:art_kerosene1.jpgKoji ide u ovakve peci za grejanje. Masovno se koristi po selima privatnim kucama van gradova:art_kerosene2.jpgDoktori su najpremoreniji od svih profesija i u normalnim okolnostima. I ko to ne zna moze na licu ove lekarke da primeti da nije videla sna danima.art_doctor.jpgGimnastika uz poznatu nasnimljenu melodiju i odbrojavanje. Taktove i vezbe znaju svi, od jednogodisnje dece. Ide na TV svakog jutra, traje 5 minuta. Isti glas, isti takt (uz klavirsku pratnju) u celoj zemlji. Na bazenima se pusta svakih sat vremena a spasioci su demonstratori koji vode. Ovo je verovatno uz sliku sa HNK (drzavna TV) na semaforu za rezultate u sportskoj hali.art_rikuzentakata.jpgNema spavanja bez tople kupke. Ovo je obavezno kao sto je i wc obavezan u evakuacionom centru. Svako se prvo okupa sapunom uz (toplu) cesmu (vide se u pozadini kako sede na malim hoklicama) i onda cist, sedne u toplu vodu 15 minuta. Odvojeno muski i zenski deo.art_onsen.jpgU normalnim okolnostima, sva odeca osim kaputa se nosi samo jedan dan. Cak i farmerke posle jednog nosenja idu na pranje. To je sigurno redukovano u evakuacionom centru a opet:art_loundry.jpgKucni ljubimci su prihvatljivi, sve dok vlasnik sve vreme brine o njima. Nisam nikada video odvezanog psa po mestima gde ih setaju. U evakuacionom centru izgledaju jos sladji.art_dog.jpgart_dog2.jpgSmesteni u evakuiacinom centru gledaju portparola Edano-san na TV:art_edano.jpg18. mart je zadnji dan skolske godine. Ceremonija primanja diploma i svedocanstava je bila skromna, neki studenti nisu imali ni kompletnu uniformu da obuku (ova devojka je u skolskoj trenerci, u njoj se verovatno zatekla za zemljotres):art_graduation.jpgU petak 18. marta su zavrseni svi razredi i sve studije. Zavrsni razredi idu u novi stepen obrazovanja za dve nedelje. Svi imaju 2 nedelje raspusta i 4. aprila u novi razred ili na studije. Diplomci univerziteta od ponedeljka pocinju da rade, posao vec imaju.(ista skolska godina je i u Thai i u mnogim zemljama Azije, nije od 1. septembra).

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Zbog čega im je trebalo nedelju dana da dovedu kablove? U čemu je bio problem?
Mora da je u necemu bio problem, i to veliki.Da su imali struje (kao sto su imali prvih sat vremena posle zemljotresa a pre tsunamija) ne bi ni bilo ovog problema sa nuklearkom.Mogu da nagadjam, 10 metara vode preko podstanica dalekovoda je rasturilo i ispregorelo sve sto je moglo. A kabl nije jedna zica nego osposobljavanje koraka po koraka dalekovoda da dovedu struju u obimu koji je potreban za nuklearku. Nije samo za sijalicu nego struja industrijske snage.Edit: dalekovodi su upravo i isli od nuklearke u spoljni svet, ona je valjda tu da pravi struju. Kada je trebalo u obrnutom pravcu, naislo se na ispregorevae podstanice i unistenu mrezu da dovede struju njima. Druga nuklearka (Dai-2) 12km dalje je ugasena. Edited by Yoyogi
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To što je mesec u apogei nije astrologija nego astronomija... iako je potpuno irelevantan astronomski podatak, naravno. Mesečeva najbliža tačka u orbiti nema baš nikakve veze sa zemljotresima i plimskim talasima, ali šta sad, zabava za mase. Slično kao ono sa alignmentom planeta što svakih par godina zaluta iz holivudskog treša na neku "ozbiljnu" televiziju. Kao, kad se planete "poređaju" u približnu istu liniju u odnosu na Sunce, onda će njihov kumulativni gravitacioni uticaj da napravi ršum ovde na jadnoj maloj Zemlji. I onda naravno ide majansko proročanstvo, Nostradamus, i ostale krucijalne naučne činjenice :yawn2: Svi smo mi pomalo stručnjaci. U svakom polju možeš da nađeš nekog ludaka koji predstavlja 0.0000001% svojih kolega; onda naravno daš 50% vremena u programu njemu, a 50% svima ostalima koji tvrde da su njegove gluposti stvarno gluposti. Nepristrasno i objektivno...
Znam ja da je to astronomija, ali zašto nekome potrebna rečenica "SuperMesec, kako ga astrolozi zovu"... Koji će kurac tu astrolozi? A za ovo drugo, to je ona Recycle Binova logika o verovatnoći... Za sve je šansa 50%, ili će biti ili neće... Edited by radisa
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Samo da se ne pomisli da je Japan radni logor gde se vlasti postuju bez propitivanja. Mediji su 100% slobodni.Premijer Naoto Kan je pod teskom vatrom, cak i ovih dana. Istina, odlozenom za naredne izbore koji ce stici jos ove godine. Samo primer kako danas japanski mediji izvestavaju.Brazilski Lula da Silva, reche "jednom japanskom Premijeru kazes dobro jutro, sledecem kazes dobar dan, istog dana".Public distrust in Kan's gov't growing day by dayTOKYO — Prime Minister Naoto Kan has been working around the clock to overcome what he calls Japan’s worst crisis since World War II following last week’s calamitous earthquake and tsunami, but public distrust in the government is growing day by day, especially over its handling of the nuclear emergency.Kan, who was already unpopular before the quake struck on March 11, has been struggling to deal with the danger at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant amid a rapidly changing situation.The seeds of distrust mainly stem from the government’s inability to grasp the situation firsthand and provide accurate information in a prompt manner to the public as well as to the international community.The government has also been criticized for its apparent lack of foresight in preparing for a worst-case scenario caused by the series of explosions and radiation leaks at the 40-year-old plant.Being highly dependent on information provided by plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co, Kan and his government officials have made many optimistic remarks over the unfolding nuclear crisis.Top government spokesman Yukio Edano on Monday, for example, told a news conference, ‘‘We have been informed that there is a very low possibility of a big explosion happening’’ at the No. 2 reactor of the plant.But the No. 2 reactor exploded early Tuesday morning about five hours after work resumed to inject seawater into it to prevent overheating of exposed fuel rods.The development followed hydrogen blasts at the plant’s two other reactors whose cores are also believed to have partially melted.It came a day after Kan and Edano summoned executives of the power company and urged them to better share with the premier’s office all important information including their plans for handling the nuclear crisis.Kan and Edano were yelling at the executives during their meeting, people familiar with the matter said.Just before the No. 2 reactor’s explosion at 6:10 a.m., a Kyodo News reporter who covers Kan heard the premier fulminating against Tokyo Electric executives during a meeting at its headquarters, saying, ‘‘What the hell is going on?’‘According to people close to Kan, the premier’s office obtained information the previous night that the power company was considering withdrawing its employees from the power plant out of concern over a rise in radiation leaks.They said that Kan was incensed on hearing this and told the executives at the meeting, ‘‘In the event of withdrawal from the plant, I’m 100% certain that the company will collapse. I want you all to be determined.’‘Kiyoshi Sasamori, a former head of the Japanese Trade Union Confederation, quoted Kan as saying during their talks Wednesday, ‘‘I went into the head office because the utility company lacks a sense of crisis as the plant’s operator.’‘The government and the public have been dissatisfied with the company’s very often slow disclosure of information regarding the crippled nuclear plant.But the public is also feeling uneasy about the government’s apparent lack of clout over the company.Mizuho Fukushima, leader of the Social Democratic Party, on Wednesday told a news conference that the government is no different from the power company when it comes to its risk awareness.‘‘It seems that the government has swallowed optimistic views provided by the company,’’ the opposition party leader said.In an attempt to work more closely together, the government and the company launched a joint headquarters for the nuclear crisis. But many critics say that the establishment of the task force, headed by Kan, has come a bit too late.Just before the quake, Kan, who has only been in office since last June, was under mounting pressure to quit or call a general election from within and outside his Democratic Party of Japan.Opposition parties and some in the ruling party said that his cabinet, whose public support had sunk below 20%, should no longer be allowed to tackle the host of challenges facing Japan, ranging from a long-running economic slump to settling territorial issues with neighboring countries.Due to the multiple disasters, he has avoided becoming another revolving-door prime minister for now. But he cannot afford to fail in dealing effectively with the nuclear crisis and the aftermath of the quake, not for his political life but for lives of innocent people.

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