slobodan pristup naoružanju

[Zhota]

sve mi se vise gade, moram da kazem. 

[mlatko]

Preterujete. I zaboravljate da je nošenje oružja osnovno ljucko pravo, kao npr. pravo na pohlepu, nadrkanost ili neobrazovanje

[superkikiriki]

The State of Georgia has just signed an unprecedented new law that removes all handgun carrying and possession permissions to allow lawful residents the ability to carry their concealed firearms just about everywhere including schools, churches, government buildings, nightclubs and bars. The National Rifle Association hails it as the “most comprehensive pro-gun reform legislation introduced in recent state history.”

 

bravo dzordzija, hleba i igara i municije!

 

e sad, za ocekivati je povecanje upucavanja, sto namernih, sto slucajnih, mada cisto sumnjam da tako nesto moze da se dogodi negde gde je drustvo odavno zasiceno oruzjem raznih kalibara, ubojitosti i dometa tako da mu ovaj zakon vise dodje kao slag na torti nego patispanj.

 

nego, sta je sa nama? kada ce posteni srpski domacin moci legalno da pripase kratez za pojas i ode u kafanu da se svadja oko politike?

[Čutura]

kupujem-prodajem 

[Turnbull]

Richard Martinez criticises gun laws after his son Christopher was killed near the University of California

 

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A MAN whose son is among six murdered in a shooting in California has blamed politicians and the gun lobby, asking in an emotional and at times angry speech: “When will this insanity stop?”

Richard Martinez choked up several times as he paid tribute to his son who was killed yesterday when a gunman opened fire in a bustling California college town, before turning the gun on himself — the latest armed massacre in the United States and one likely to trigger more passionate debate about gun rights.

“My son's name was Christopher Ross Martinez, he was 20 years old and he died last night,” Martinez told reporters, his face contorted with despair and rage.

“Our family has a message for every parent out there: you don't think it'll happen to your child until it does,” he said, reading from a family statement.

 

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A gunman kills at least six people and wounds seven others in a drive-by shooting in California. He was found dead inside the car with a bullet wound to the head, authorities say. Jillian Kitchener reports.

 

“Chris was a really great kid, ask anyone who knew him. His death has left our family lost and broken.” His voice shaking with emotion, Martinez rounded on politicians and the powerful National Rifle Association.

“Why did Chris die? Chris died because of craven, irresponsible politicians and the NRA,” Martinez said, raising his voice.

“They talk about gun rights. What about Chris's right to live? When will this insanity stop? When will enough people say stop this madness? We don't have to live like this.

 

 

Richard Martinez’s son Christopher Martinez was killed in a mass shooting. Source: AP

“Too many have died. We should say to ourselves: 'Not one more.' “Thank you, that's it,” he added, punching the air.

Peter Rodger, an assistant director of the 2012 Hollywood blockbuster The Hunger Games, believes the attacker was his 22-year-old son Elliot, lawyer Alan Shifman told reporters separately, although that was not immediately confirmed by police.

[Agni]

A MAN whose son is among six murdered in a shooting in California has blamed politicians and the gun lobby, asking in an emotional and at times angry speech: “When will this insanity stop?”

Valjalo bi napomenuti da nije bilo 6 ubijenih u pucnjavi, vec 3 - ostale 3 zrtve (njegove cimere) ludak je ubio nozem. Vest koja u 24 reda 15-16 puta pomene "gun",  "gunmen", i "shooting" a izostavi da je polovina zrtava ubijena na drugi nacin je malo tendenciozno srocena.

Edited May 25, 2014 by Agni

[maximus]

I sta na primer vi imate nameru da uradite sa 3mil komada nelegalnih utoka u srbijici osim sto iskazujete gnev™ povodom nekih ubistava u US/ NRA etc.?

momci, klali ste se u 4 gradjanska rata, mozda je vreme da pocistite svoje gun dvoriste:)

[Weenie Pooh]

Valjalo bi napomenuti da nije bilo 6 ubijenih u pucnjavi, vec 3 - ostale 3 zrtve (njegove cimere) ludak je ubio nozem. Vest koja u 24 reda 15-16 puta pomene "gun",  "gunmen", i "shooting" a izostavi da je polovina zrtava ubijena na drugi nacin je malo tendenciozno srocena.

 

Neke je valjda i udario kolima?

 

Ovo je, nažalost, potpuno pogrešan slučaj za gun control advocates da se oglase. Nikakvi background checks ni waiting periods ne bi mogli da spreče finog mirnog stidljivog belog mladića iz dobre porodice da kupi pištolj radi samoodbrane. Da bi takve sprečili, morali bi da zabrane svo privatno posedovanje vatrenog oružja, što je krajnje nerealno. A čak i da su ga nekako sprečili, opet bi napravio isto ili vrlo slično sranje hladnim oružjem i BMW-om.

 

Sa kulturološkog stanovišta slučaj je daleko zanimljiviji, ali oko gun control bojim se da nikakvu težinu ne nosi.

[Turnbull]

Nije baš tako. Dečko je imao ozbiljnih psiholoških problema i roditelji su to znali, čak su ga prijavili i policiji, but to no avail.

[Weenie Pooh]

Pa to je argument za bolji policijski nadzor, ali ne za uvođenje dodatne kontrole naoružanja. Kako je ove zajebao, tako bi i bilo koje druge.

 

Ne priznajem mizoginiju i opštu ispraznu samozaljubljenost kao ozbiljne psihološke probleme u tom smislu. To su behavioral aberrations, nije se rodio takav; leče se samo kroz iskustvo i kontakt sa normalnim ljudima sličnog doba, a ne zatvaranjem ili ograničavanjem prava.

[Turnbull]

Vini, rekao si da ovde background checks ne bi pomogli. Ja ti kažem da bi pomogli, jer je momak imao ozbiljnih psiholoških problema i bilo bi sasvim dobrih osnova da mu se ne izda dozvola za naoružanje, kada bi takvi background checks bili uslov za dobijanje dozvole.

Edited May 26, 2014 by Turnbull

[Weenie Pooh]

Ali koja dijagnoza bi povezala "mali krije strah od žena iza fantazija o svojoj superiornosti, neopisivo je iritantan od entitlenmenta" sa "mali je potencijalni masovni ubica"? Klinci u pubertetu prolaze kroz svakakve faze, ne može se za nešto naizgled bezazleno paliti takav red flag inače bi 50% populacije imalo isti status.

[Turnbull]

Hoćeš da kažeš da sa takvim uslovom 50% pubertetlija ne bi moglo da poseduje oružje? Which is bad, because...?

 

And BTW, mladac je imao 22 godine, što je, složićeš se, malo kasno za pubertet.

Edited May 26, 2014 by Turnbull

[Weenie Pooh]

Da, da, on je ooutlier case, ali takve probleme (devojke me neće, kurve jedne) imaju mahom mlađi. Ako tog nivoa treba da bude red flag, onda će ta restrikcija biti potpuno neefikasna jer će psihijatri morati da prijavljuju ogroman broj slučajeva... jedini rezultat - ljudi kojima je potrebna profesionalna pomoć bi prestali da idu na lečenje jer bi se plašili da ne dođu na nekakve spiskove.

[AnaDilajt]

Valjalo bi napomenuti da nije bilo 6 ubijenih u pucnjavi, vec 3 - ostale 3 zrtve (njegove cimere) ludak je ubio nozem. Vest koja u 24 reda 15-16 puta pomene "gun",  "gunmen", i "shooting" a izostavi da je polovina zrtava ubijena na drugi nacin je malo tendenciozno srocena.

 

Apsolutno nebitno. Njegov plan je bio da naoružan vatrenim oružjem upadne u sorority house i ubije sve "blond sluts" na koje naiđe; taj plan je počinjao ubistvom cimera nožem (valjda da ne bi odmah bio uhvaćen - da je krenuo da puca tu, brzo bi ga zaustavili), međutim kada je ispalo da ne može da uđe u sorority house kako je planirao, pokušao je da "uradi najbolje što može". Zato jednak broj ubijenih nožem i vatrenim oružjem i zato veći broj muških žrtvi iako su mu žene bile "ciljna grupa". Jednostavno plan se izjalovio, ali plan je u velikoj meri zavisio od vatrenog oružja.