slobodan pristup naoružanju

[Agni]

Niti jedan politicar nikada, ma kako god bio veliki zlocin nece se usuditi da napadne drugi amandman, i da poput nekih idealista sa ovog foruma zabrani oruzje,

Ne mora da ga zabrani, moze da uvede stroziju kontrolu (recimo dozvole za posedovanje i nosenje), strozije propise o nosenju i zabranu nekih vrsta oruzja.

Two senior US Democrats have called for stricter gun control legislation following the elementary school shootings in Newtown, Connecticut.Twenty children and six women died in Friday's assault on Sandy Hook school by a lone gunman who then turned his weapon on himself.Connecticut Governor Dan Malloy urged stronger national legislation.And Senator Dianne Feinstein said she would introduce a bill to ban assault weapons as soon as Congress convened.BBC

[eoten]

ubijena majka je bila prepper:

Her former sister-in-law Marsha said she had turned her home ‘into a fortress’. She added: ‘Nancy had a survivalist philosophy which is why she was stockpiling guns. She had them for defense. ‘She was stockpiling food. She grew up on a farm in New Hampshire. She was skilled with guns. We talked about preppers and preparing for the economy collapsing.’Read more: http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz2FF3UU9hS Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook’

edit: koliko se svuda spominju socially awkward tinejdžeri sa aspergerom pre će oni da najebu nego vlasnici oružja. Edited December 16, 2012 by eoten

[Turnbull]

ubijena majka je bila prepper:

U jebote.

[Аврам Гојић]

Super joj je pomogao taj arsenal.(Tacno kao i svakom civilu koji misli da ce se gomilanjem oruzja u podrumu zastititi od odlucnog napada dobro motivisane osobe).

[Turnbull]

Jok i nije, samo je deo ustava... Cik ga promeni.

Daj, jebote, Ustav nije doslovan dokument, nego se mora tumačiti i primenjivati. Nema potrebe ništa menjati, nego, kao što je Indy više puta ukazao, tumačiti u kontekstu, to je sve.

[ToniAdams]

Stvarno? I sta, donesete Obznanu o zabrani posedovanja oruzja, i sta onda? Da necete da krenete u skupljanje sada vec ilegalnog oruzja po kucama? Mogu misliti kako bi bili docekani vladini agenti po zabitima Zapadne Virdzinije, Teksasa... kad im zabarakidrani redneci pripucaju iz svojih trandzara. Pricate o stvarima o koje ne razumete. Ali ajde, ne zivite ovde, ne znate kako narod dise, pa vam se da oprostiti.Jok i nije, samo je deo ustava... Cik ga promeni.Hoce, taman kao sto je uradio i posle tragedije u Koloradu. I Arizoni...Iako se i sam gadim na oruzje i na samu pomisao da je ono neophodno zarad "samoodbrane i lova", stvari stoje tako kako stoje i nece se menjati. Niti jedan politicar nikada, ma kako god bio veliki zlocin nece se usuditi da napadne drugi amandman, i da poput nekih idealista sa ovog foruma zabrani oruzje, jer bi to automatski dovelo do gradjanskog rata i raspada zemlje. Zato cete uvek cuti jadikovke nad nevinim zrtvama masakra, ali nikad, ali bas nikad i neko konkretno resenje, jer njega nema. Problem je mnogo kompleksniji, i odnosi se pre svega na raspad americkog drustva, jer ona kohezivna snaga, porodica, gubi, ako nije vec izgubila, na znacaju. Ludaci nam se setaju slobodno po ulicama, i niko ih ne dira, bar ne dok ne pocine neki zlocin, a tada je vec kasno. Na primer, prosle nedelje, ili malo vise, jedan ludak je gurnuo coveka pod voz u podzemnoj, iz cista mira. Na stranu to da niko od par stotina putnika na platformi koji su tu bili nisu pruzili ruku tom coveku da se popne nazad, jer sam nikako nije mogao, platforma je isuvise visoka da se zaskoci, bio je pregazen, ali su zato svi bili spremni da izvade svoje smartfone da ga slikaju onako iskasapljenog i uvrnutog ko perecu. Drustvo je otislo u kurac.Nazalost, cucemo se mi opet na ovom topiku ponovo, kad opet neki manijak zapuca po nevinima. A hoce. I nista ga, i niko nece spreciti. Samo je pitanje gde, kada i ko ce biti zrtve... Jbga, takva nam je ova zemlja.

jel gora zapadna virdzinija ili teksas?

[Shan Jan]

ubijena majka je bila prepper:edit: koliko se svuda spominju socially awkward tinejdžeri sa aspergerom pre će oni da najebu nego vlasnici oružja.

Pa ovo zvuci ko scenario nekog loseg filma. Podseti me na siege i to koliko se stvari iz futuristickih antiutopijskih filmova ostvaruje. Nista ljudi nisu naucili.

[Turnbull]

GUARDIAN

Connecticut shooting: no longer do I ask 'how can this happen again?' I left a meeting in tears on Friday after reading the news headline on my phone about the tragic school shooting in Connecticut. Yes, it brought back awful memories of my own tragic day at Columbine High School on 20 April, 1999, where my son Daniel was murdered.It also reminded me of how many times over the past 13 years that I've said to myself, "Oh my God, not again!" after yet another tragic American shooting. No longer, though, do I say, "How could this happen again?" There are no surprises, after all, in a nation that goes from tragic shooting to tragic shooting and does virtually nothing in response beyond offering condolences and scratching its collective head.Many Americans are still in denial, focusing on the specific pathology of each shooter, using it to explain why gun laws could not have stopped a shooting, and thus avoiding the bigger picture: the question of why America is so awash in gun violence.America's mental health system has failed to adequately identify and treat those who are psychologically disturbed and potentially dangerous. Some of these individuals may not even be fully aware of their condition, while some families avoid obtaining treatment because of the cost or because of their antiquated view of the stigma associated with mental illness. Meanwhile, we allow these disturbed individuals easy access to the weapons they crave for mowing down others before they end their own lives.America has allowed its gun industry, through the surrogate gun lobby, to write its gun laws. Gun rights activists have offered abundant excuses for gun violence, everything from a lack of school prayer to a "diverse population" to the "Wild West". Many offer excuses in the form of simplistic cliches and soundbites, such as "guns don't kill people, people kill people". These cliches do nothing to solve real problems.The only problem cited by the gun lobby is the lack of guns, never their presence or abundance. Thus, they ask, "Why didn't the theatre allow people to be armed so they could have shot the killer?" or, "Why didn't we arm the teachers?" They see no problem with military weapons in the hands of civilians. They argue that we'll only be safer if we more heavily arm ourselves. It's completely lost on them that if having more guns and weak gun laws made America safer, then we should be the safest nation on earth. Clearly we are not.Some say there is no easy solution to to America's problem with gun violence. That's true. But in America we can't even have a reasonable conversation about gun violence, let alone suggest solutions, without being told "this is not the time" or "we shouldn't inconvenience law-abiding gun owners with new laws" or "you can't do anything to infringe on my Second Amendment right to bear arms".There's a good reason other western nations have not followed America's lead when it comes to gun policy: because they've seen that America's grand experiment with easy access to guns has been a failure. What else would you call over 10,000 gun murders and 70,000 gun injuries per year?I'm sick and tired of America doing nothing. We're better than this.Tom Mauser is the father of Columbine High School shooting victim Daniel Mauser

Edited December 16, 2012 by Syme

[zorglub]

PPP Ameri, zbog čega gun freak-ovi kažu: "Narodna republika Kalifornija"? Strožija provera pri prodaji, ne može okvir od 30, već samo od 20 metaka, ne može samo dekoker, mora i kočnica? I jesu li te "zabrane" donele šta dobro? Ozbiljno pitam.PS: Pominje se oružarska industrija u članku iznad - koliko ona i njen lobi učestvuju u sprečavanju strožijih zakona o gun control-u?

Edited December 16, 2012 by zorglub

[Њујоркер]

Nemam pojma sta kazu gan frikovi, niti me oni interesuju, ali svaka drzava zasebno donosi zakone o nosenju oruzja. Cik probaj da se prosetas Njujorkom s oruzjem u ruci/kesi/torbi, bez obzira sto je legalno. Odma ides u aps. Kentaki je, opet, druga prica...Naravno, sto se Njujorka tice, bez obzira sto je ilegalno posedovati oruzje ukoliko nisi uniformisano lice (mozes da ga imas, ali samo u kuci za ukras, ne kod sebe), to ne znaci da oruzja nema. Ne prodje dan da po nekoliko ljudi ne izgine u obracunima bandi, i to uglavnom nevini, i uglavnom deca, ali bar smo dosad postedjeni masovnih kravavih scena poput onih u Konektikatu i Virdziniji. Valjda je cifru od 2-300 mrtvih od vatrenog oruzja rastegnutu preko cele godine lakse gutati nego 28 u jednom danu, pa se ne dize tolika prasina.

[aram]

pa ne mozes porediti velegrad sa pripizdinama.

[Indy]

Neotuđivo ljudsko pravo na portabl nuklearnu bombu!

+1To samo ne vazi za Irance i slicne. Ali, u Ameriku, Dzordz Vosington im je to ostavio za amaneta.Ajd sto su oni ludi, nego zarazise i ove nase "Njujorkere".

[Turnbull]

PPP Ameri, zbog čega gun freak-ovi kažu: "Narodna republika Kalifornija"? Strožija provera pri prodaji, ne može okvir od 30, već samo od 20 metaka, ne može samo dekoker, mora i kočnica? I jesu li te "zabrane" donele šta dobro? Ozbiljno pitam.PS: Pominje se oružarska industrija u članku iznad - koliko ona i njen lobi učestvuju u sprečavanju strožijih zakona o gun control-u?

The Violence Policy Center has estimated that since 2005, gun manufacturers have contributed up to $38.9 million to the NRA. Those numbers, however, are based on publicly listed “sponsorship” levels on NRA fundraising pamphlets. The real figures could be much bigger. Like Crossroads GPS or Americans for Prosperity, or the Sierra Club for that matter, the NRA does not disclose any donor information even though it spends millions on federal elections.And like other industry fronts, the NRA is quick to conceal its pro–gun industry policy positions as ideological commitments.Take, for example, “The NRA Civil Rights Defense Fund.” It’s a pro–gun rights legal fund “involved in court cases establishing legal precedents in favor of gun owners.”And who helps pick which impact-litigation cases the NRA will become involved with? Folks like James W. Porter II, a board member of the NRA Civil Rights Defense Fund, who doubles as an attorney whose private firm specializes in “areas of products liability defense of firearms manufacturers.” His last client, according to a search of the federal court docket, was Smith & Wesson Corporation.Is the NRA working for casual gun-owners, many of whom, according to polling, support tougher restrictions on gun ownership— or is the NRA serving the gunmaker lobby— which is purely interested in policies that will promote greater gun sales and more profits? Any gun control policy debate should begin with this question.

NATION

[morgana]

^^pravilno se kaze u amriku -_-gledam zadnjih dana raznorazne preppere na nat geo. isuse, kakvi ludaci.a koja je konkretna majcina fiks ideja bila? ne da je bitno narocito, nego traca radi.edit, nasla, sudnji dan. jel 21. 12. ili neki sudnjiji?

Edited December 16, 2012 by morgana

[WTF]

ma meni je jeziva ta fetisizacija samoodbrane

NIje samo fetis, nego je i fantazija. (Hocu reci, fantazija o sposobnosti samoodbrane).

"Samoodbrana" je code word za odbranu od onih drugih, a ti drugi nisu vlada ili drzava, nego oni drugaciji - crni, smedji, etc.. Vecina tih sto fantaziraju i fetisizuju nikad metka ne bi ispalili na uniformisano lice, ali zato u njihovim vlaznim snovima bas na njihova vrata zakuca neki riffraff sa losim namerama i eto njih i njihovih dugih ili kratkih cevi da pokazu kako 1 obican upstanding citizen moze da bude i sudija i porota i dzelat.

Stvarno? I sta, donesete Obznanu o zabrani posedovanja oruzja, i sta onda? Da necete da krenete u skupljanje sada vec ilegalnog oruzja po kucama? Mogu misliti kako bi bili docekani vladini agenti po zabitima Zapadne Virdzinije, Teksasa... kad im zabarakidrani redneci pripucaju iz svojih trandzara. Pricate o stvarima o koje ne razumete. Ali ajde, ne zivite ovde, ne znate kako narod dise, pa vam se da oprostiti.

Ja se bas ne bih kladio da bi zabarikadirani redneci sigurno pripucali na federalne ili bilo koje druge drzavne agente. Sve tu zavisi ko je tim agentima sef i ko sedi u Beloj Kuci. S druge strane, ne verujem da bi ijedna administracija isla tako daleko da ide od kuce do kuce i trazi oruzje. Takav poduhvat bi bio jednako razuman i uspesan kao i kad bi ti isti isli od kuce do kuce i trazili onih 11 miliona ilegalnih emigranata.