Peti oktobar na bliskom istoku i arapskom svetu

[Budja]

:)

 

Kod njih znam šta da očekujem kada se piše o Rusjii i takođe sam uzdržan prema opinions u kojima je levičarski progressive bias ispred činjenica .

 

Cities i Development sekcije su sjajne. 

 

Izvinjavam se na trolu. 

 

Ispravio.

 

Levicarski i porogresivni nisu sinonimi, The Guardian jeste progressive ali nikako nije levicarski. To je list koji je u internom LAB izboru podrzao Ivet Kuper, manje-vise, zato sto je, je l te, zena.

[pacey defender]

Ispravio.

 

Levicarski i porogresivni nisu sinonimi, The Guardian jeste progressive ali nikako nije levicarski. To je list koji je u internom LAB izboru podrzao Ivet Kuper, manje-vise, zato sto je, je l te, zena.

Imaš poentu. Recimo, podržali su Makrona a ne Melenšona ili Amona. To bi bila ta neka podela na progresivce i levičare.. 

 

Kada sam rekao levičarski, mislio sam na to da su im desnčarske platforme strane i protiv njih se aktivno bore. Recimo, anti-austerity tekstovi (kojih ima redovno) jesu levičarski. Development sekcija je pre svega usmerena ka kriitci korumpiranih vlasti i slabe države ali i nekih praksi koje obično nazivamo neoliberalnim 

[Anduril]

Pa evo, ja čitam the Guardian svakodnevno i to mi je primarni izvor informacija što se kaže sa svih meridijana. Ali kada naletim na ovakav tekst (ne dešava im se prvi put), stvarno dođem u iskušenje da ih batalim. 

 

Pa batali zbog Rusije, ko ti brani. Takodje, u ovom tekstu uglavnom prenose sta drugi kazu a ne neki svoj poseban komentar.

Naravno da je glavna vest sta kaze FBI a ne neki neimenovani izvor.

 

Ispravio.

Levicarski i porogresivni nisu sinonimi, The Guardian jeste progressive ali nikako nije levicarski. To je list koji je u internom LAB izboru podrzao Ivet Kuper, manje-vise, zato sto je, je l te, zena.

 

Ne lazi - Gardijan je vise nesto kao platforma, tj. razne stvari su se mogle cuti u vezi sa time. Nije to The Economist.

Ovo sto ti radis je ceripikovanje pojedinih naslova da bi kritikovao skoro iskljucivo jedan of retkih ostataka novinarstva sa globalnim uticajem koji nije u rukama drzavnih i tajkunskih finansijera. O tim novinarski mnogo manje nezavisnim medijima naravno retko koju prozboris - cenim da su ti RT ili Daily Mail bolji gde mozes slobodno da citas mizoginiju/o babama, putinokratiju i ostatak desnicarsko-populistickog opusa.  

 

Imaš poentu. Recimo, podržali su Makrona a ne Melenšona ili Amona. To bi bila ta neka podela na progresivce i levičare.. 

Kada sam rekao levičarski, mislio sam na to da su im desnčarske platforme strane i protiv njih se aktivno bore. Recimo, anti-austerity tekstovi (kojih ima redovno) jesu levičarski. Development sekcija je pre svega usmerena ka kriitci korumpiranih vlasti i slabe države ali i nekih praksi koje obično nazivamo neoliberalnim 

 

Opet - u Gardijanu ima citav dijapazon komentatora od levicara do liberala sa glavnom SD linijom. Seumas Milne je dugo godina bio u Gardijanu.

I oko Rusije tamo ima raznih misljenja ali, da, generalno nisu fanovi posto je Putin fakticki zatvorio nezavisno novinarstvo u Rusiji bez obzira na ideologiju. Bar se ne prave ludi da se radi o normalnoj zemlji jer ona to definitivno nije - iz liberalne i levicarske perspektive. Za desnicare a i neke neoliberale je prica vec drugacija...

Edited June 10, 2017 by Anduril

[Takeshi]

pojavljuje se faktor stabilnosti u libiji. kad moze sisi sta fali seifu, ima britansku diplomu. 

 

Сын бывшего лидера Ливии Сейф аль-Ислам Каддафи выпущен на свободу

[pacey defender]

Ne brani mi niko da batalim Gardijan. Kao što sam rekao, Gardijan mi je glavni izvor informacija o dešavanjima u svetu - o kriminalu u latinskoj americi, tretmanu migranata na Nauruu, serijalima The Air We Breathe i o životu u gradovima koje seku državne granice, Tačno je da su  "jedan of retkih ostataka novinarstva sa globalnim uticajem koji nije u rukama drzavnih i tajkunskih finansijera" - zato ih čitam pola sata do sat vremena dnevno.

 

Problem je u tome što odnos redakcije i vlasnika prema RUsiji utiče na poštovanje standarda novinarske profesije. recimo, pridržavanja načela da naslov treba da odgovara sadržini teksta. Ili kada Trampovu izjavu o odnosu sa Putinom prenesu kao da "ima razumevanje za ubicu Putina", a u drugi plan stave izjavu , da njegova država nije toliko nevina koliko se misli u pogledu ubijanja širom sveta. 

Edited June 10, 2017 by pacey defender

[Budja]

Pa batali zbog Rusije, ko ti brani. Takodje, u ovom tekstu uglavnom prenose sta drugi kazu a ne neki svoj poseban komentar.

Naravno da je glavna vest sta kaze FBI a ne neki neimenovani izvor.

 

 

Ne lazi - Gardijan je vise nesto kao platforma, tj. razne stvari su se mogle cuti u vezi sa time. Nije to The Economist.

Ovo sto ti radis je ceripikovanje pojedinih naslova da bi kritikovao skoro iskljucivo jedan of retkih ostataka novinarstva sa globalnim uticajem koji nije u rukama drzavnih i tajkunskih finansijera. O tim novinarski mnogo manje nezavisnim medijima naravno retko koju prozboris - cenim da su ti RT ili Daily Mail bolji gde mozes slobodno da citas mizoginiju/o babama, putinokratiju i ostatak desnicarsko-populistickog opusa.  

 

 

Opet - u Gardijanu ima citav dijapazon komentatora od levicara do liberala sa glavnom SD linijom. Seumas Milne je dugo godina bio u Gardijanu.

I oko Rusije tamo ima raznih misljenja ali, da, generalno nisu fanovi posto je Putin fakticki zatvorio nezavisno novinarstvo u Rusiji bez obzira na ideologiju. Bar se ne prave ludi da se radi o normalnoj zemlji jer ona to definitivno nije - iz liberalne i levicarske perspektive. Za desnicare a i neke neoliberale je prica vec drugacija...

 

 

The Guardian view on Labour’s choice: Corbyn has shaped the campaign, but Cooper can shape the futureEditorial

The insurgent has breathed extraordinary life into the Labour leadership race. The party must harness the energy he has unleashed, while choosing a chief who can govern and win

 

 

Yvette Cooper is more steadfast, consistently challenging George Osborne on economic terrain. She refuses to concede the nonsense that Labour overspending caused the crash. She would disconcert a prime minister whose clumsy and occasionally patronising tone towards women has proved a vulnerability. And, of course, after a century of male Labour leaders, a female leader would be a plus in itself, all the more so when Tom Watson is a front-runner to be deputy. Ms Cooper’s down-to-earth feminism defines her politics – she knows that those hardest hit by austerity are women – so her victory would be more than symbolic.

[Anduril]

 

 

Dobro, demonstrirao si nam da ne znas razliku izmedju editorijala i Gardijana kao platfome. Dao sam ti primer TE gde je editorska linija mnogo cvrsca.

Plus, sta je zapravo pogresno u ovom tekstu gde se kaze da je za Ivet plus jer je zena u partiji koja se zalaze za odredjenu kvotu zena, koja ukljucuje feministe a koja (za razliku od konzervi) nikada nije imala zenu kao lidera? To se naravno navodi tek posle pominjanja ostalih kvaliteta (sto ukljucuje i druge tekstove a ne samo ovaj od jednog reportera - opet tvoj ceripiking) a ne primarno samo to sto je zena tako da si opet slagao u svojoj tipicnoj mizoginiji... Drzi se Dejli Mejla i Putina - vise odgovara tvom nivou sa "babama". 

Edited June 11, 2017 by Anduril

[Lord Protector]

The Saudi War Against Qatar

Who was behind the hacking of Qatar’s News Agency?

 

by Justin Raimondo Posted on June 14, 2017

 

What in the name of Allah is going on with the spat between Qatar, on one side, and the Saudis, the United Arab Emirates, and most of the rest of the Arab states on the other? Accusations that Qatar is the fulcrum of “terrorism” in the region, emanating from Riyadh and Abu Dhabi – the twin epicenters of Islamic extremism on earth – seemed to have been broadcast from Bizarro World. And the incident that sparked the controversy — in which much of the Arab world, led by the Saudis, blockaded tiny Qatar — added the extra-hot spice of cyber-espionage to an already indigestible dish.

 

Shortly after President Donald Trump’s visit to Saudi Arabia, where he announced his “anti-terrorist” initiative, the web site of the Qatar News Agency, run by the Qatari government, was hacked. A “fake news” story was posted by the hackers, purporting to describe a speech given by the current Emir, Sheikh Tamim Bin Hamad al-Thani, in which he called for better relations with Iran, praised Hamas and Hezbollah, and predicted that Trump’s term in the White House would be short.

 

Despite the Qataris’ claim – since verified by the FBI, according to Qatar’s foreign minister – that the Qatar News Agency site had been hacked, and that the Emir had given no such speech, both the Saudis and the UAE, through their official media outlets, launched a campaign targeting Qatar. Overflight rights were revoked: diplomatic contacts ended: Qatar citizens were forbidden to enter Saudi/UAE territory even to change planes. And in a public statement delivered in the rose garden of the White House President Trump clearly sided with the Saudi/UAE consortium, complementing a series of remarkably stupid tweets that basically said the same thing.

 

The US news media managed to get a Russian angle on all this, claiming that “Russian hackers” were behind the targeting of the Qatar News Agency: as usual they offered no evidence for this assertion. Yet just who was behind this hacking incident seems crucial to understanding the real genesis of – and motive behind – the Qatar controversy, which could augur a new regional crisis possibly dragging in Iran.

 

So let’s look at the timeline in the context of yet another hacking incident, this one involving the hotmail account of Yousef Al-Otaiba, the UAE’s well-connected ambassador to the US. The hackers, who call themselves “GlobalLeaks,” released a tranche of emails between Al-Taiba and individuals connected to the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies (FDD). The Foundation is a pro-Israel thinktank originally called “Emet: An Educational Initiative, Inc.,” founded in 2001 by a group of pro-Israel billionaires and designed to blunt growing American sympathy for the Palestinians. FDD has since expanded its mission, under chief honcho Clifford May, to encompass a full-scale projection of Israeli propaganda in the US. The Otaiba-FDD emails reveal extensive cooperation between the ostensibly ultra-Islamic UAE – which, like its Saudi allies and much of the Arab world, has never recognized the state of Israel — and the staunchly Zionist FDD. (See some of the emails here, here, here, and here.) A great deal of the back and forth is between FDD general counsel and former Bush era National Security Advisor John Hannah and Mr. Al-Otaiba.

 

The emails detail FDD’s efforts to show Al-Otaiba that UAE companies doing business with Iran need to be sanctioned: a “target list” is included. The correspondence also details plans for a June 11-14 meeting with FDD personnel and UAE political and military officials, including the ambassador, FDD CEO Mark Dubowitz, and former US defense secretary Robert Gates. And most significantly, on the agenda was “discussion of possible U.S./UAE policies to positively impact Iranian internal situation” including “political, economic, military, intelligence, and cyber tools” designed to “contain and defeat Iranian aggression.”

 

Hmmmm… “cyber tools,” eh?

 

Now add to the timeline this reporting by the New York Times:

 

“[T]hree days after the Trump meeting in Riyadh, the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies held a conference in Washington dedicated to criticism of Qatar, titled ‘Qatar and the Muslim Brotherhood’s Global Affiliates.’

 

“Robert M. Gates, the former defense secretary and a friend of Mr. Otaiba, gave the keynote. Attendees included many of the authors of the critical op-ed articles and senior Obama administration officials. Organizers encouraged Mr. Otaiba to attend, and his staff sent Abu Dhabi, the Emirati capital, a detailed report.

 

“No representative of Qatar was invited. The hack of the Qatari news agency took place after midnight that night.”

 

What a coincidence!

 

As this piece in the Washington Post puts it, the speculation that “Russian hackers” under Russian state control are behind the Qatar hack is “unlikely.” Emails from the hackers bearing Russian “(.ru) addresses seem designed to put detectives off the trail. The Post piece avers that hackers-for-hire were the responsible parties, but the question is: who were they working for?

 

Which leads us to a larger question: who benefits? Clearly both the Saudis and the Israelis – whose semi-clandestine alliance has been documented in this space – had everything to gain from this intra-Arab spat. United by fear and hatred of Iran, Riyadh and Tel Aviv have been quietly cooperating to unite the Sunni Arabs against Iran – and draw the United States into open conflict with Tehran. Both abhorred and denounced the Iran deal, and are seeking to actively undermine it: that’s another item at the top of the FDD/UAE meet up.

 

Another factor is the relationship between Mr. Al-Taiba and Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law and a powerful figure in the administration: the ambassador has been described as Kushner’s “mentor” when it comes to schooling him on all matters Middle Eastern. Kushner, for his part, is a strong advocate for Israel.

 

There are no innocents, no “good guys” in this part of the world: the reality is that all of these Middle Eastern actors have been subsidizing terrorist outfits, in Syria and elsewhere. The Saudis are perhaps the worst offenders: their worldwide network of radical Wahabist mosques and “educational” outfits has been pushing a terrorist agenda for decades. The UAE has also been a lucrative source of funding for radical Islamic terrorism, notably in Afghanistan and Pakistan. And while Qatar has not been stingy in this regard, its stance has been notably non-sectarian: while they’ve given support to the Muslim Brotherhood – perhaps the least radical Sunni organization – they are also capable of sending official congratulations to recently re-elected Iranian President Hassan Rouhani. This is their great “sin” in the eyes of the Saudi-led Sunni Axis: they have tried to mediate the Sunni-Shi’ite religious war, which threatens the entire region with the kind of bloody turmoil that occasioned Europe’s Thirty Years’ War between Catholics and Protestants.

 

 

The idea that Qatar is solely responsible for the growth and development of Middle Eastern terrorism is laughable on its face: that narrative simply won’t stand even the most careless scrutiny. And the proposition that Saudi Arabia is any kind of anti-terrorist bulwark is a cruel joke. That the Trump administration is taking this line is absolutely criminal: it amounts to appeasing and succoring the epicenter of radical Islamic terrorism.

 

The crazy notion that Iran is the world’s leading exporter of terrorism is a page right out of the Israeli-Saudi playbook: for the Trump administration to echo this nonsense contradicts the facts and contravenes American interests in the region. For it is the Saudis who have been funding and arming ISIS, and al-Qaeda, in Syria. And the Israelis have openly proclaimed their preference for ISIS over Syrian strongman Bashar al-Assad. It is radical Sunni fundamentalists, not pro-Iranian Shi’ites, who have been conducting a global jihad against American and European targets. Iran is fighting ISIS in Syria – while the US in bombing Syrian government troops, the main obstacle to the ISIS/al-Qaeda forces.

 

The Saudi-Qatari conflict has all the hallmarks of a joint Saudi-Israeli operation, complete with cyber-hacking, a full-scale propaganda war, and a clueless Uncle Sam stupidly falling for a brazen deception. What’s amazing is that, despite the plethora of evidence that the whole thing is a pretty transparent put up job, the usual suspects continue to get away with it.

 

 

Edited June 14, 2017 by slow

[namenski]

 

Qatar Petroleum and Shell signed a framework agreement to develop global LNG bunkering facilities on Tuesday, Qatar Petroleum said.

“We view LNG bunkering as a promising opportunity for LNG to further grow as a clean energy source,” Qatar Petroleum CEO Saad Sherida Al-Kaabi was quoted as saying.

“LNG demand for bunkering is expected to increase significantly over the coming years and we believe there is real potential for such demand to reach up to 50 million tons per annum by 2030,” he said.

LNG bunkering provides the shipping industry with a new fuel that helps to meet the industry’s environmental and economic targets.

 

Reuters, juce

[Eraserhead]

 

 

 

 

 

Do juce Katar glavni finansijer terorizma sad odjednom Katar zrtva. Ovi alternativni news sajtovi su gori od 10 CNNa.

[Lord Protector]

 

Do juce Katar glavni finansijer terorizma sad odjednom Katar zrtva. Ovi alternativni news sajtovi su gori od 10 CNNa.

 

Jedan savet: pročitaj tekst pre nego što komentarišeš lupiš

 

 

 

The idea that Qatar is solely responsible for the growth and development of Middle Eastern terrorism is laughable on its face: that narrative simply won’t stand even the most careless scrutiny. And the proposition that Saudi Arabia is any kind of anti-terrorist bulwark is a cruel joke. That the Trump administration is taking this line is absolutely criminal: it amounts to appeasing and succoring the epicenter of radical Islamic terrorism.

Edited June 14, 2017 by slow

[Redoran]

Ma jok, koji će nam alternativni sajtovi. Korporativni masmediji su sve što čovečanstvu treba da bude pravilno usmereno.

 

U međuvremenu, raskid dugogodišnje veze kao po običaju prati bacanje u đubre svih uspomena na istu:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_szhAVfYfyw

[Redoran]

Nego, ako ostavimo po strani ovu presmešnu fake news priču i hakere, zanimljivo bi bilo brejnstormovati šta je pravi razlog za ovu izolaciju Katara. Moralo bi nešto ozbiljno biti u pitanju, jer ovakva eskalacija je previše ozbiljna stvar čak i za one bolesnike iz Rijada.

 

Padaju mi na pamet tri mogućnosti:

 

1. Katar je ispod žita otpočeo neki ozbiljan proces približavanja Iranu.

Ovo ima smisla ako se posmatra kroz prizmu izvesnog kraha džihadističke invazije na Siriju, odnosno potrebe da se pronađe izlazna strategija i izvuče makar nešto. Uz to, Katar deli najveće gasno polje na svetu sa Iranom što samo po sebi govori da je i jednima i drugima saradnja mnogo bolja opcija od konflikta i tenzija. Problem je naravno vojno prisustvo SAD u Kataru odnosno CENTCOM čije postojanje u startu ubija bilo kakvu ideju nekakve normalizacije odnosa sa Iranom, pogotovo dok je Trampara u Beloj kući. Katarci bi morali da budu kompletno ludi da se upuste u tako nešto iza leđa Amerikanaca, to je doslovce pucanj u sopstvenu glavu. Ne mogu da zamislim bilo koga pri čistoj svesti da tako nešto radi ali kada su zalivske despotije monarhije u pitanju uvek treba ostaviti mogućnost da zaista jesu autentično ludi.

 

2. Katar se previše osilio i pokušao da nametne kao vodeći regionalni igrač

Ovo ima smisla ako se u obzir uzme ogroman uticaj koji Katar ostvaruje tako što nemilice i u nezamislivim količinama sipa lovu u strateške bunare na zapadu (od kupovine političara i parapolitičara u Vašingtonu, preko najskupljih poslovnih zgrada u Londonu, pa do velikih evropskih fudbalskih klubova odnosno svetskog fudbalskog prvenstva). Kroz ove investicije, i masu drugih, ostvarili su ogroman uticaj na zapadu a u Siriji su imali sopstvene džihadiste koje su finansirali i opremali. Kada su najzad prevršili meru koju su im Saudijci odredili najpre su se njihovi i saudijski džihadisti poklali najstrašnije u Siriji a zatim se prešlo na druge nivoe prevaspitavanja.

 

3. Lova. Keš. Katar ga toliko ima, a nema čime da ga brani

Katar ima oko 350 milijardi dolara investicija u svom nacionalnom fondu i bogtepita koliko još žive love koja čeka na plasman. Uz to idu treće po veličini zalihe prirodnog gasa, valjda najveća svetska valjaonica aluminijuma, Qatar Airways i tako te stvarčice. Za to vreme, u poslednjih 4-5 godina ne cveta cvetje u saudijsko preduzetje. Suvereni fond em nije tako aktivan™ kao katarski em se topi što na neuspelu invaziju na Siriju, što na divljačko uništavanje Jemena. Eventualno pripajanje Katara bi u tom smislu donelo vrhunski plen mada bi sa sobom nosilo mali milion komplikacija, pogotovo na međunarodno pravnom planu. Zbog toga ovaj scenario deluje najmanje verovatno,

 

Nekako mi izgleda da je druga opcija najrealnija, a možda joj se mogu dodati i neke primese prve.

[Lord Protector]

Možda tu ima još jedna stvar: sukob između sunitskih religioznih i ideoloških pravaca radi prevlasti i prvenstva u sunitskom svetu. U ovom slučaju muslimanske braće i vehabija, što se samo prenelo na državni nivo:Katar vs KSA.

U tom procesu muslimanska braća iz Katara su možda našla saveznika u Iranu. Bilo bi zanimljivo uporediti iransku ideologiju i ideologiju muslimanske braće, koliko tu ima sličnosti. Ideološke sličnosti se privlače i jedan su od jačih motiva u stvaranju koalicija.

Edited June 17, 2017 by slow

[Roger Sanchez]

Dobar ovaj dvorski udar u Saudijaca.