Roger Sanchez Posted December 7, 2014 Posted December 7, 2014 (edited) Ta 'manjina' broji negde oko 60% (po wikipedia-i svih 65-75%) Bahreinskih drzavljana. imamo i većinu neonaci zapadnih ukrajinaca/poljskih lakeja, ali smo brzo i lako zaključili da su to lenčugaste vucibatine koje se šlepaju na znoju Donbassa, i da nije baš jako bitno što bi to oni 'teli.. Moglo bi se reć da je sunitski dio Bahreina propulzivniji i napredniji, a i nisu svi šijiti take agresivne bundžije..već jedna mala manjina nusto, ne zaboravimo na sfere.. ako Bahrein postane član Qom integracija, Saudijska Arabija može krenut i u aneksije... Edited December 7, 2014 by Roger Sanchez
mackenzie Posted December 7, 2014 Posted December 7, 2014 Nekad je cijeli Abasidski kalifat plaćao danak bahreinskim šijama. Dok ih nije za*ebao milenarianizam....
Roger Sanchez Posted December 7, 2014 Posted December 7, 2014 Sad kad su jemenski šije zauzeli to gosudarstvo, Saud je odma primjenio Vovin recept - ukinuo đeparac.. Laconica Telefonica
Budja Posted December 7, 2014 Posted December 7, 2014 Pa bolje to, nego da neošijitska manjina pučem osvoji vlast na ulici, bez izbora.. Opet fail. Bahrein, ako se ne varam, ima finigirane a ne visepartijske izbore. U tom smislu se ne kvalifikuje za demokratiju kao ni Egipat, a za razliku od Ukrajine. Slabo se koprcas.
iDemo Posted December 7, 2014 Posted December 7, 2014 Ta 'manjina' broji negde oko 60% (po wikipedia-i svih 65-75%) Bahreinskih drzavljana. Da ne bude zabune - kod mene se radilo o verovatnoci a ne o manjini...
Lord Protector Posted December 10, 2014 Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) Foreign Policy: Hamas’s Main Man From Turkey to TehranOne of Hamas's most dangerous operatives seems to have found a comfortable new home in Turkey. BY JONATHAN SCHANZER Jonathan Schanzer is vice president for research at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. , GRANT RUMLEY Grant Rumley is a research analyst focusing on Palestinian politics at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. DECEMBER 8, 2014 Israel filed a complaint with NATO in late November over Turkey’s role in supporting terrorism in the West Bank and Gaza. Specifically, Israel called out Turkey for harboring and supporting known Hamas officials. The complaint specifically mentions Saleh al-Arouri, the head of Hamas’s armed wing in the West Bank, who has lived in Turkey since 2010. Arouri also claimed responsibility for this summer’s kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teenagers, an abduction that helped spark this summer’s 50-day war in Gaza. It’s outrageous that a known terrorist like Arouri can take refuge in a NATO member state. But it’s also only part of the story. As recently as mid-November, Turkey has been home to one of Hamas’s original leaders and most dangerous assets: Imad al-Alami. Not only was Alami on the list of the original six Hamas officials designated terrorists by the U.S. government in 2003, he is also the point man for all of Hamas’s relations with Iran and its proxies. He’s made countless trips to Iran, a country that has provided Hamas with military training and billions of dollars in financial and material aid. At the time of his posting in Tehran, Iran was giving around $100 million a year to Hamas. Alami has had a close and continuing working relationship with Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah for over 20 years. His ties are so close with the Tehran-aligned “axis of resistance” that when Hamas decided to abandon its headquarters in Damascus over disagreements with Tehran about the Syrian civil war, Alami was the last to leave — in what appeared to be a last-ditch effort to salvage the relationship. The circumstances surrounding Alami’s recent arrival in Turkey are still unclear. During this summer’s Gaza war, he took part in the marathon cease-fire negotiations and reportedly gave voice to the more militant elements of Hamas, which is not surprising given his close ties with Iran. According to media reports, he arrived in Turkey a month after the war ended for surgery on his right leg. Rumors swirled on blogs and forums that he was injured in an intra-Hamas battle, although Hamas officials insisted that an Israeli airstrike hobbled him. Nearly three months later, Alami is still in Turkey, still receiving medical attention, and still hosting prominent visitors. In early November, he met with a Hamas delegation from the defunct Palestinian parliament, who gave him a rundown of the violent events that have recently rocked Jerusalem. If Alami is still keeping the lines of communication open with Tehran from his new base in Turkey, it could very well mean that Ankara has taken on a new importance in the procurement of Hamas weapons and the facilitation of other military activity. This would not be terribly surprising in light of the fact that Hamas seems to be operating rather openly in Turkey these days. For the last two years, Arouri has been running West Bank operations from Turkish soil, while the number of Hamas operatives in Turkey has swelled. In 2011, Israel released 10 Hamas operatives as part of a prisoner exchange for the captured Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit. These operatives included Mahmoud Attoun and Taysir Suleiman, who both abducted Israeli soldiers. They are now in Turkey, where they make therounds on the Turkish speaking circuit, touting their past “accomplishments.” There are at least nine other Hamas officials in Turkey, according to Palestinian news agencies. Alami, however, takes the Hamas presence in Turkey to a whole new level. He was a founding father of the terror group when it literally exploded on the scene in Gaza in the late 1980s. He was promptly arrested by Israel and expelled to Lebanon in 1991. The expulsion served as a turning point for Hamas. The leaders in exile learned new tactics and strategies from Hezbollah, including the use of suicide bombing. According to the Treasury Department’s investigation, Alami was officially tasked in the 1990s as the Hamas member in charge of “sending personnel and funding to the West Bank and Gaza.” He soon helped broker the relationships between Hamas and other regional actors, including Iran and Hezbollah. In 2003, Alami’s body of work as a senior Hamas leader earned him a terrorism designation by the U.S. Treasury, alongside other more household Hamas names, including politburo chief Khaled Meshaal, deputy political head Moussa Abu Marzouk, and founder Sheikh Ahmed Yassin. In 2008, Alami moved to Damascus, where he was officially put in charge of maintaining Hamas’s ties with Iran and its allies in Hezbollah and the Syrian regime. He was apparently good enough at keeping these relationships strong that he was able to navigate the complexities of the Syrian revolution when it first erupted in 2011. But by 2012, it was clear that the Hamas leadership could not stand by as its patrons slaughtered Sunnis and Palestinians by the thousands, so the group’s leadership moved to Qatar. Yet even then, Alami maintained good relations with Iran and its proxies. Nasrallah facilitated a meeting between Alami and Iranian officials, in what appeared to be an attempt to keep the lines of communication open during the fallout. And while ties were strained, weaponscontinued to flow from Iran to Gaza during this period. When it became clear that even Alami could not salvage ties between Iran and Hamas, the journeyman Hamas leader returned to Gaza and set about building a new political career. He was elected deputy chief of the Hamas politburo in secret internal elections in 2012, and was later was named the head of the Intifada Committee, an organization that presumably seeks to spark further unrest against Israel. Even in his new capacity, Alami maintained his close ties with Tehran. In early 2013, he went to Tehran to meet with Iran’s then-Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi. And in the aftermath of the Gaza war this summer, Hamas officialsconfirmed that Alami’s relations with officials in Iran are as strong as ever. All of this raises questions about Alami’s current role in Turkey. It was troubling enough when Arouri was running West Bank operations of Turkey with Ankara’s blessing. Now that Alami has joined him, Turkey rivals Qatar as a top Hamas external headquarters — and perhaps with Iran’s blessing. Alami’s presence in Turkey could be a sign of heightened cooperation between Tehran and Ankara. The two countries are undeniably foes when it comes to the future of Syria and other issues in the Sunni-Shiite divide. But Iran and Turkey have found ways to look past their differences before: The two countries recently engaged in massive sanctions-busting schemes yielding Iran billions in gold, and other illicit transactions. Alami’s presence in Turkey could be a sign that Hamas is another joint venture. Edited December 10, 2014 by slow
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Lord Protector Posted December 11, 2014 Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) +1 Užasni su, namerno sam to postovao, samo nisam zalepio smajli Edited December 11, 2014 by slow
Anduril Posted December 11, 2014 Posted December 11, 2014 Toliko slabi stomaci na klasicni ratnohuskacki neokon pro-izrael think-thank, a toliko jaki stomaci na Hamas, veze sa Turskom i ovog teroristu koji je priznao kidnapovanje ona tri izraelska tindejdzera. Cemu selektivna gadljivost?
Gandalf Posted December 11, 2014 Author Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) Toliko slabi stomaci na klasicni ratnohuskacki neokon pro-izrael think-thank, a toliko jaki stomaci na Hamas, veze sa Turskom i ovog teroristu koji je priznao kidnapovanje ona tri izraelska tindejdzera. Cemu selektivna gadljivost? prvo, zasto bih bio gadljiv na bilo kakve i bilo cije "veze sa Turskom"? turska (i katarska) uloga u Palestini je za par duzina casnija (ili manje necasna, kako god) od aktivnosti umereno-muslimanske gamadi, anti-imperijalista, kao i SAD&EU podrske okupaciji. drugo, sto se tice Hamasa... veci pisao: tipicni anti-okupacioni/anti-kolonijalni pokret, sa svim pozitivnim i negativnim epitetima koji idu uz to. koliko sam gadljiv na npr. americke borce za nezavisnost, Vijetkong, ili IRA, taman toliko sam gadljiv na Hamas. trece, govedo verovatno nista nije priznalo, vec laze. reklo bi se da pokusava sebe da predstavi kao nekakvog organizatora i heroja otpora. Edited December 11, 2014 by Gandalf
Anduril Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 prvo, zasto bih bio gadljiv na bilo kakve i bilo cije "veze sa Turskom"? turska (i katarska) uloga u Palestini je za par duzina casnija (ili manje necasna, kako god) od aktivnosti umereno-muslimanske gamadi, anti-imperijalista, kao i SAD&EU podrske okupaciji. drugo, sto se tice Hamasa... veci pisao: tipicni anti-okupacioni/anti-kolonijalni pokret, sa svim pozitivnim i negativnim epitetima koji idu uz to. koliko sam gadljiv na npr. americke borce za nezavisnost, Vijetkong, ili IRA, taman toliko sam gadljiv na Hamas. trece, govedo verovatno nista nije priznalo, vec laze. reklo bi se da pokusava sebe da predstavi kao nekakvog organizatora i heroja otpora. Dakle, tebi je iz nekog razloga Hamas casniji od Fataha i EU jer oni zapravo podrzavaju okupaciju?
Gandalf Posted December 12, 2014 Author Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) Dakle, tebi je iz nekog razloga Hamas casniji od Fataha i EU jer oni zapravo podrzavaju okupaciju? sta si ti tacno izmesao ovde? Hamas i Fatah sigurno nisam poredio po casnosti postupaka, Turke (i Katar) i ostale da. Fatah ne podrzava okupaciju, PA (koji kontrolise Fatahova vrshuska) je nakon izbora 2006-e evoluirao u kolaboratore. EU svojim postupcima podrzava okupaciju, koliko god brbljali o demokratiji i ljudskim pravima. edit: imaj na umu razliku izmedju kolaboratora i kolaboracionista. Edited December 12, 2014 by Gandalf
Anduril Posted December 13, 2014 Posted December 13, 2014 Znaci, EU gde ce pojedine zemlje poput Francuske i Svedske biti neke od prvih da priznaju Palestinu, podrzava okupaciju? I da, napisao si umereno-muslimaska gamad i anti-imperijaliste. Koga onda tacno podrazumevas pod tim pojmovima a koji su eto gori od Hamasa?
iDemo Posted December 13, 2014 Posted December 13, 2014 drugo, sto se tice Hamasa... veci pisao: tipicni anti-okupacioni/anti-kolonijalni pokret, sa svim pozitivnim i negativnim epitetima koji idu uz to. koliko sam gadljiv na npr. americke borce za nezavisnost, Vijetkong, ili IRA, taman toliko sam gadljiv na Hamas. Jasno. A svako ce vec sebi da nadje nekoga ko ce biti freedom fighter i nekog drugog ko ce biti terrorist...
Gandalf Posted December 13, 2014 Author Posted December 13, 2014 (edited) Znaci, EU gde ce pojedine zemlje poput Francuske i Svedske biti neke od prvih da priznaju Palestinu, podrzava okupaciju? I da, napisao si umereno-muslimaska gamad i anti-imperijaliste. Koga onda tacno podrazumevas pod tim pojmovima a koji su eto gori od Hamasa? Svedska je izuzetak. francuski potez je PR bez ikakve tezine, poput izjava EU (i SAD) zvanicnika o podrsci za mirovni proces, suzivot, ljubav medju ljudima, blablabla... Saudi, UAE, Egipat, Bahrein, Jordan, su umereno-muslimanska gamad. anti-imperijalisti su Sirija, Iran, i Hezbala. i opet, ucitavas za 10... nisam bilo koga od njih poredio sa Hamasom, poredio ih sa Turskom i Katarom. Edited December 13, 2014 by Gandalf
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