Gandalf Posted October 4, 2014 Author Share Posted October 4, 2014 E, ako je tako, onda je vec bolje. Ali on je jos nesto rekao: da su pomagali dihadiste ukupno, i svakog ko je hteo da se bori protiv Asada na 2:15 krece taj deo, gde se pominje Nusra i Al Kaida kao i ovo sto sam naveo: sada vec ulazimo u finese engleskog. nije rekao svakog (everyone), vec bilo koga (anyone). pa bi se ono sto je rekao, u datom kontekstu, moglo prevesti i kao "pomagali i kuso i repato". na stranu to da Bajden bas ne spada u ljude poznate po sofisticiranosti u poznavanju materije i u govoru. Link to comment
dillinger Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Najbolje da Ameri ovaj razvoj događaja niti su planirali, niti im ide na ruku, niti baš ništa nemaju sa ISIS-om. Ulaze na mala vrata u Siriju bez ikakvog otpora u međunardonoj zajednici, Kurdi ih mole za pomoć,javnost kod kuće želi intervenciju protiv divljaka, ako požele sutra bez po muke može proći i boots on ground... A kakva je situacija bila samo pre godinu. Oće to... Link to comment
iDemo Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Najbolje da Ameri ovaj razvoj događaja niti su planirali, niti im ide na ruku, niti baš ništa nemaju sa ISIS-om. Ulaze na mala vrata u Siriju bez ikakvog otpora u međunardonoj zajednici, Kurdi ih mole za pomoć,javnost kod kuće želi intervenciju protiv divljaka, ako požele sutra bez po muke može proći i boots on ground... A kakva je situacija bila samo pre godinu. Oće to... Pa deshava se, vidish i sam... A da ih je krenulo, krenulo ih je. Ono - pitanje morala: "morali smo"... Link to comment
iDemo Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Sustina je da je svima (njima) lepo - osim sto tu i tamo ima ponesto zrtava medju civilima a i ovi taoci nisu bash sjajno prosli. Link to comment
Gandalf Posted October 6, 2014 Author Share Posted October 6, 2014 (edited) Tony Karon @TonyKaron Shades of Warsaw 1944: Turkey, 2nd largest army in NATO, stands and watches as ISIS armor pounds lightly armed defenders of Kobane Liz Sly @LizSly Turkey's 3 Kobane conditions (PT) are tantamount to surrender for PKK. But many Syrian Kurds do not share the PKK's Kurdistan agenda. Liz Sly @LizSly Turkey's 3 conditions for helping Kobane: 1) Cut ties with Assad 2) Dismantle Kurdish cantons in Syria 3) Not threaten Turkey. Liz Sly @LizSly Turkey has set as a condition for saving Kobane that the PYD stop working with Assad. Seems hopeless. edit: http://www.turkafile.com/international/2014/10/06/ankara-to-syrian-kurdish-leader-de-facto-independence-unacceptable/ Akşam reports on its front page today the apparent demands from the government given to Salih Müslim, leader of the Syrian-Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD), during his visit to Turkey on Saturday. According to the pro-AKP daily, “Ankara gave five messages to Müslim and drew the red line: Cut your ties with Assad.” Akşam states that the background to “Müslim’s visit has become clear” in that the “main actor” behind the PYD leader’s meeting with the government was HDP leader Selahattin Demirtaş. According to the report, Demirtaş conveyed Müslim’s request to meet with Turkish officials to Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu during their meeting on 1 Oct. As a result, Müslim met with Hakan Fidan, chief of Turkey’s National Intelligence Agency (MİT), and Foreign Ministry Undersecretary Feridun Sinirlioğlu. Akşam then reports the “five main messages” handed to Müslim as: If the PYD wants Kurdish Syrians to have a good future, they should cut all ties with Assad. The most important reason behind ISIS advancing is that Syrian dissident groups do not act together. All dissident elements in the country should fight against ISIS together. The buffer zone that will be set up in the region will guarantee everyone’s safety, mostly Syrian Kurds. The secure zone will be for humanitarian aid. Turkey has no intention of staying in Syria. De facto settlements such as independence or autonomy in the region cannot be accepted. The Syrian people will determine the future of Syria. Edited October 6, 2014 by Gandalf Link to comment
Bane5 Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 da bi se malo pojasnila pozicija kurda u siriji, a u svetlu ovih verovatnih uslovljavanja turske, treba reci da su oni u pokrajini hasaka uglavnom u paktu sa asadovim snagama, u raki su uglavnom samo branili svoje pozicije (borili su se prvo protiv nusre, a sada protiv is-a), a u alepu su ratovali (i jos uvek ratuju) protiv asada i imaju dosta korektnu saradnju sa fsa i if-om (nisu imali nikakvog spora niti tenzija). ono sto njihov polozaj cini jos komplikovanijim je taj da i medju kurdima postoje odredjene snage koje nose tvrdja verska ucenja pa tako imamo i kurdski islamisticki front, ali i znatan broj kurda koji su prisli dzihadistima. na kraju, ni to nije sve, na politickom nivou oni su jako razjedinjeni i to ih kosta u smislu artikulacije svega onoga sto je njihov cilj (teznja). uzgred kobane je preziveo i danasnji dan uz verovatno nakriticnije trenutke od pocetka napada is-a. Link to comment
Lord Protector Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 (edited) http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/06/world/isis-ammunition-is-shown-to-have-origins-in-us-and-china.html?_r=0 Edited October 6, 2014 by slow Link to comment
Zaz_pi Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Oni su zauzeli gomilu baza po Iraku gde ima gomila SAD oruzja. Baze padaju cak i u okolini Bagdada, ponekad gori SAD tehnika ali se uglavnom masovno prisvaja. Nego, koliko napada su izvele SAD i saveznici tokom danasnjeg napada Islamske drzave na Kobane? Inace je skoro pao pod njihovu kontrolu. Turska ucenjuje Kurde na svaki moguci nacin. Primera radi, jedan od uslova Turaka: TURKEY CAN SEND TROOPS TO SYRIA IF ASSAD ALSO TARGET: BBG. Takodje traze predaju PKK. Klanica na km od granice ali oni nista. ISIS Fighter Claims Turkey Funds the Jihadist Group Link to comment
Zaz_pi Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Izgelda da su se Kurdi po Turskoj digli protiv vlade, poceli protesti. Link to comment
Zaz_pi Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Izvinjavam se sto sam zaredjao ali evo snimka sa same granice gde sa jedne strane lokalni Kurdi napadaju Tursku vojsku koja im vec danima blokira ulaz u Kobane da se bore protiv ID a sa druge strane se u daljni moze videti pucanje u Kobane i borbe izmedju kurdskih snaga i ID. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrIM17IVOP4 Evo njihovih polozaja u Kobaniju koje su danas zauzeli i dizanje zastave: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcuwPQCgtaM Link to comment
Bane5 Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 za tursku win-win situacija. gotovo sam siguran da nisu u pitanju kurdi da bi bila drugacija pesma pa cemo (najverovatnije nakon pada kobanea) imati priliku da vidimo i tursku u ovom filmu. Link to comment
Gandalf Posted October 6, 2014 Author Share Posted October 6, 2014 Turska ucenjuje Kurde na svaki moguci nacin. Primera radi, jedan od uslova Turaka: dati uslov je upucen Amerima, ne Kurdima. koliko su Turci iskreni u tome, diskutabilno. ISIS Fighter Claims Turkey Funds the Jihadist Group povremeno valja proveriti izvore. MEMRI kao izvor koristi turske maoisticke novine, koje se pozivaju na neimenovanog pripadnika ISIS-a. dati maoisti su jednom prilikom tvrdili kako je ISIS otvorio konzulat u Ankari. Link to comment
Zaz_pi Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Zna li neko: koliko napada su izvele SAD i saveznici na ID tokom danasnjeg napada ID na Kobane? Link to comment
Bane5 Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 (edited) Nula. Novinari na licu mesta poput Jenan Mousse (@jenanmoussa) ili Paula Adamsa (@BBCPaulAdams) svedoce da napada na IS iz vazduha u okolini Kobanea uglavnom nema. Edited October 6, 2014 by Bane5 Link to comment
Agni Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Tony Karon @TonyKaron Shades of Warsaw 1944: Turkey, 2nd largest army in NATO, stands and watches as ISIS armor pounds lightly armed defenders of Kobane Bas mi palo na pamet to poredjenje. Link to comment
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