Peti oktobar na bliskom istoku i arapskom svetu

[Roger Sanchez]

Ako ISIS uzme Samaru, ostaje im još Bakuba a onda...

Mislim da će ISISi ipak Anbar, Salahedin i Niniveh biti maximum. Malikija pomalo, in esens, boli kiki za taj sunitski sjever, a ovaj prsten oko Bagdada držali su uspješno Ameri, moći će i šijiti. Ali sad postoji velika Sunni-Dewlet of Đihad između kurdistana, turkistana i šijitistana, nešto će se morat poduzet. Pripojit ju Saudijskoj Arabiji?

Edited June 11, 2014 by Roger Sanchez

[Bane5]

ISIS je ojacao ubacivanjem na sever Sirije i podrskom, koju je u pocetku dobio sa zapada, u borbi protiv Asada. Kasnije dolazi do sizme medju grupama protiv Asada, na insistiranje tog istog zapada. Oni kontorlisu Ar-Raqqah i mnoge delove na severu Sirije.

 

Vrlo je tesko dokazati bilo kakvu iskrenu zelju ISIS-a da se bori protiv Asada.

[Zaz_pi]

Borili su se oni protiv Asada 2012 mnogo, mozda najvise. To sto su ih ostali odbacili kasnije je nesto drugo.

[borris_]

Procjena je da se vise od 500 francuza trenutno bori na strani ISIS-a u Siriji. Na to dodaj i ostale evropljane i dobices samo od njih cetvorocifrenu brojku. Zadnje dvije godine su nam stalno pricali kako su ti islamisti ultra manjina sto je evidentno bila samo bajka.

Edited June 11, 2014 by borris_

[Muwan]

Bagdad ne zeli mnogo da pomaze Kurde jer ovi odbijaju da slusaju Bagdad. Problemi oko izvoza nafte su ogromni izmedju Kurda i Bagdada.

 

Koliko vidim, vlada u Bagdadu je ta kojoj je bila potrebna pomoć. Kurdi je trebalo da pomognu njima a ne obrnuto. Nije čudo što im ne pada na pamet da ih slušaju i što su izgradili sopstveni naftovod prema Turskoj i što je Bagdad mogao samo da im pljune pod prozor po tom pitanju. Sada je jasno da su Al Maliki i njegova vojska i administracija obična ikebana koju može da razduva jedna dobro obučena i motivisana brigada. Pri tome izgleda da ne mogu da računaju na bilo kakvu ozbiljnu međunarodnu podršku, čak ni diplomatsku. Tu će sada da nastane kompletno rasulo iz kojeg će da izniknu još ko zna kakve brigade i formacije. Malikiju i čitavom establišmentu je bolje da već sada traže lokacije za azil jer nemaju puno vremena a šanse da ovo preokrenu ne postoje.

[Bane5]

Borili su se oni protiv Asada 2012 mnogo, mozda najvise. To sto su ih ostali odbacili kasnije je nesto drugo.

 

Netacno.

[steins]

Ocenivši da je Islamska država u Iraku i Levantu "jedna od najopasnijih terorističkih grupa na svetu", Džouns je u obraćanju poslanicima, istakao da će SAD "nastaviti da pomno prate situaciju" i da će saradjivati s medjunarodnim partnerima da pomognu raseljenima.

 

 

[Muwan]

Raseljenih iz Mosula inače već ima pola miliona.

Edited June 11, 2014 by beowl

[Roger Sanchez]

Raseljenih iz Mosula inače već ima pola miliona.

BBCjev novinar na prvom kurdskom čekpointu kažu da ljudi govore da ne bježe baš od finih momaka iz ISISa, nego su gledali Malikija na TVu koji svečano obećava da će bombarderskom avijacijom išćerati™ fine momke iz Mosula.    Eto.

Edited June 11, 2014 by Roger Sanchez

[nautilus]

sta imaju oni od avijacije?

[Roger Sanchez]

Pa upravo im stigle F16ice od frendića, ali mislim da te još nisu spremne za upotrebu. Valjda misli ne nekaj drugo, al moram pogledat što.

 

Kupuju btw. i neke BTRove od Ukrajine, ali to kasni iz razumljivih razloga. :kuwait1991:

 

Još malo pragme pešmergagme..

An Iraqi military source in the oil-rich Kirkuk area told dpa that Iraqi troops had handed over their positions in Kirkuk city to the Peshmerga.

The city has been a bone of contention between the Kurds and the central government since the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.

 

Edited June 11, 2014 by Roger Sanchez

[Muwan]

BBCjev novinar na prvom kurdskom čekpointu kažu da ljudi govore da ne bježe baš od finih momaka iz ISISa, nego su gledali Malikija na TVu koji svečano obećava da će bombarderskom avijacijom išćerati™ fine momke iz Mosula.    Eto.

 

Ja pročitah na Guardianu da fini momci iz ISIS idu od kvarta do kvarta i ubeđuju pučanstvo da mu ne preti opasnost od njih te pozivaju u prvom redu radnike u javnim službama da dođu na posao. I oni imaju jednu izjavu sa prvog kurdskog čekpointa, čovek kaže da misli kako će sad sve da krene isto kao u Siriji - ovi upadnu u gradove, onda dođe vojska sa teškim naoružanjem i krene totalno uništenje. Bumo videli.

[akibono]

Peshmerga Only Bulwark Against ISIS Sweep, Former Iraqi Officer Says

 

BAGHDAD, Iraq – Because of their long experience in guerrilla warfare, the Kurdish Peshmerga forces are the only bulwark that can thwart the sweep of Islamic militants further across Iraq, according to a former Iraqi army officer.

 

Iraq’s Shiite-led government has been in shock since days ago losing control of the country’s second-largest city, Mosul in the northwest, to Sunni jihadists from the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

 

All of this year, the government has been unsuccessfully battling al-Qaeda and its splinter ISIS, in three other provinces, Diyala, Salahaddin and Anbar.

 

The former Iraqi officer, who is now a security analyst, said the Islamic fighters are taking shelter in civilian areas, where the army cannot confront them openly.

 

“To regain control and minimize civilian casualties, the government must stage urban warfare with mechanized infantry squads in residential neighborhoods,” said the former officer, who was speaking in Baghdad, and did not want his name used.

 

He said that some Iraqi officials were right in “seeking the help of Peshmerga forces in their war on terrorists, because of their experience, expertise and knowledge of urban warfare.”

 

He added that the Peshmerga forces, which are controlled by the autonomous Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) in northern Iraq, are well suited to confront the jihadist advance because of their “knowledge of the area’s geography, as well as their proximity to them.”

 

The fall of Mosul came just days after Iraq took delivery of its first F-16 fighter plane from the United States. Iraq’s Shiite Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki had appealed for the fighters -- and other equipment that Washington is delivering under a multibillion dollar deal -- to crush the insurgents.

 

But the security expert said that air power cannot bring the militants to heel.

 

“Relying on the air force and setting siege to cities in order to crack down on militants is not only inefficient, it has widened the reach of ISIS to include the three provinces,” he said.

 

He added that the ISIS sweep through Mosul and other northwestern territories “proves that the military tactics of the Iraqi security agencies are wrong, ineffective and have not limited the movement of ISIS.”

 

Mosul in Nineveh province, 400 km north of Baghdad, has been gripped in fear and chaos since Iraqi forces largely abandoned their positions, left behind their weapons, tore off their uniforms and disappeared in the face of an ISIS advance.

 

“Thousands of people in Mosul are trying to flee from the city toward either Baghdad or Kurdistan,” said Mohammed al-Shammari, 35, a displaced resident of Mosul who escaped to Baghdad. “The majority need housing and immediate resettlement.”

 

Al-Shammari warned of a humanitarian catastrophe, “Unless the government responds to the human waves fleeing from Mosul to escape the ISIS.”

 

Iraq’s Parliament Speaker Osama al-Nujaifi called the fall of Mosul a foreign invasion by fighters of different nationalities.

 

“There is support for these groups, but currently we must focus on defeating them and putting the country on the path of recovery. After that, we can investigate the source of their support,” said Nujaifi, referring to suspicions that the Sunni insurgents enjoy some local support.

 

Maliki, the embattled prime minister who is opposed by the country’s Sunnis, Kurds and many fellow Shiite parties, urged “everyone who can carry a gun" to start resisting against "terrorists."

 

But in Mosul, more anger was vented at Maliki’s government than at the vicious militants, whose rapid advances in the city have raised questions about the competence of an army long supported and trained by the United States.

 

Many Iraqis have been left wondering how their army, equipped with heavy weapons, just fell apart before a guerrilla force with light weaponry, giving up without much of a fight.

 

http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/110620142

 

 

i jedan duži tekst kako je pao Mosul...

 

inside mosul: how did extremists take over one of iraq's biggest cities in just five days?

 

From the first suicide bombings to an attack on the next province, it has only taken Sunni Muslim extremists five days to gain control of one of Iraq's biggest cities and its surrounds. How did it happen? NIQASH spoke with the governor of the province as well as eyewitnesses inside Mosul.

 

It only took five days for the Sunni Muslim extremist organization known as the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS, to occupy the city of Mosul, capital of the province of Ninawa and one of the biggest cities in Iraq, around 395 km north of Baghdad. The reason that the group, known as Daash in Arabic and formerly affiliated with Al Qaeda, were able to do this was because of the mass withdrawal of the Iraqi army and local security forces. These forces, loyal to the Shiite Muslim-led government in Baghdad, have been controlling parts of multi-ethnic Ninawa province for the past six years. Other parts of Ninawa are under the military control of forces from neighbouring Iraqi Kurdistan, which operates partially independently of Baghdad...

 

(ostatak) http://www.niqash.org/articles/?id=3455

 

[Verterdegete]

Ima li nekih vesti o zarobljenim Turcima ?

[Muwan]

Ništa osim da je iz konzulata odvedeno 50 turskih državljana (zaposleni, njihove porodice i specijalci iz obezbedjenja). Zajedno sa onih 30 kamiondžija to je ukupno 80 turskih državljana u rukama ISIS.