Peti oktobar na bliskom istoku i arapskom svetu

[Tutankamon]

Cim su zastali kod Crvene doline usledilo bombardovanje od strane avijacije... Slucajno?

Ne znam dal još nekom nije jasno da se ovi kreću uz podršku avijacije i da je napredovanje ka zapada jedna koordinisana akcija sa zapadom...

[Bane5]

naravno, ja sam to vise rekao ironicno.

[barrcode]

barrcode za sve si u pravu ali nisi za ovo sto su uradili kod sirta.oni su se postavili na mestu koje se zove crvena dolina (kad pogledate na google-u satelitski snimak videcete zasto je tako zovu). kad pogledate taj snimak videcete da za razliku od ostalih pustih delova ovde postoji niz objekata idealnih za postavljanje zasede (tu se nalazi selo wadi harawah) i pruzanje sasvim solidnog otpora. ne mogu da se otmem utisku da do pre neki dan nisam mogao da nadjem ovako detaljan pregled ovog dela libije na google maps. hm, da ne spekuslisem :)

ne znam. mapu nisam gledao. ali mi je opet sumanuto da se izvlačiš 30 km (ako je to tačna cifra) od grada koji braniš ako je Logistika suština ovog rata. izvadiš na 3o km u pustinju i time je otpišeš. Kakva god da je dolina crvena ili žuta, ako suprotna strana ima totalnu vazdušnu kontrolu - ciao. (+ što sam prilično siguran da na vrhu te kolone rebelza idu već neki green beret ili sas i markira laserski šta već treba da se markira i tako krči put.)Ovo je jedinstveno bojište na celome svetu. Jednodimenzionalna zemlja - zemlja Libija na mapi izgleda ogromna, ali je u suštini = jednom putu duž mora. Mehanizovana vojska ide levo desno, avijacija isto tako. Dubina bojišta = nula. highway war. Nema manevara, bitna je samo snaga udara.A što se tiče upadanja u zamku ovim blesavim ljudima "reblzima" nije potrebna nikakva konfiguracija terena da bi oni upali u zamku. Naročito pošto se verovatno najavljuju da dolaze pucajući nonstop u vazduh. Edited March 28, 2011 by barrcode

[Tutankamon]

Budale, ta Crvena dolina pominjana je kao potencijalno mesto za zasedu i za držanje položaja ali u početku rata kada rebeli nisu imali savezničku avijaciju, sada mi to više deluja kao samoubistvo ili totalno neshvaćanje situacije...Navodno su rebeli noćas ušli bez otpora u Sirt (bila je to prethodnica) pa su se vratili i otuda izveštaji o zauzeću istog

Edited March 28, 2011 by Tutankamon

[Budja]

naravno, ja sam to vise rekao ironicno.

Dobro, to je ipak, cini mi se, prekoracenje mandata UN, ma kako se spinovalo. No ne verujem da ce se neko glasno buniti, osim sto ce Rusi to zabeleziti u tefter i izvaditi iz fioke prilikom sopstvene imperijalne intervencije u Centralnoj Aziji/Kavakzu sledeceg puta. Edited March 28, 2011 by Budja

[Bane5]

Dobro, to je ipak, cini mi se, prekoracenje mandata UN, ma kako se spinovalo.

I to debelo prekoracenje cak i u ovom sirokom tumacenju doticne Rezolucije.Napisah na prethodnoj strani da bi borbe u samom Sirtu znacilo da bi Koalicija za NFZ i NATO morali da zastite stanovnistvo Sirta od revolucionara/pobunjenika/FLA (ili kako sami sebe nazivaju).btw:

Egypt Military Council: Mubarak & his family are under house arrest in Egypt

Edited March 28, 2011 by Bane5

[Roger Sanchez]

Meni je ovo više puta prošlo kroz glavu, stepen neobučenosti obe strane je prosto neverovatan. Nema nikakve taktike, nema ozbiljne logistike, nema organizovanih manevara, zaštitnih mera, samo sedi u kamion / BOV / pikap i praši dok ne nestane municije / goriva / morala, a onda beži nazad, odnosno juri napred, ako se ovi drugi razbeže pre tebe. Tako se danas ujutro tučemo oko Adždabije, a sutra uveče oko Sirta, iako su udaljeni stotinama kilometara, kao da je u pitanju neki road racing građanski rat. Pretpostavljam da bi ovako izgledali feudalni srednjevekovni ratovi, da su vođeni modernim sredstvima. Jedna divizija izraelske vojske bi se prošetala celom libijskom obalom od Egipta do Tunisa za dve nedelje, računajući i Bengazi i Tripoli.

inače, tvoja prispodoba podsjeća me na besmrtnu rečenicu G A Nassera poslije nakse 1967, sad se ne sjećam točno kome: prevedena sa arapskog na engleski: There are only about 100 soldiers between Ismailiya and my house.kad smo već došli do ravnoteže snaga na glavnom frontu, prije ili poslije pada Sirta, došlo je dobro vrijeme za diplomatske inicijative, što se izgleda i događa, bit će nešto u Londonu, piše, a Recep je sigurno u stanju smisliti nešto što je u redu i fer. Samo treba natjerati ovog egomanijaka u Bab al Aziziyi da to prihvati, što je od početka problem sa svim nezamjenjivim egomanijacima, od Tunisa preko Kaira do Sanee. Neki vide koliko je sati brže i lakše, neki tek kad su im 100m od bunkera.

[Bane5]

CNN's Nic Robertson tweets: "Govt says will take journalists from Tripoli to Misrata today."

11 puta 'oslobadjana' od strane gadafijefih snaga (prema izvestajima lstv) misratu danas 'oslobadjaju' (po prvi put) i strani novinari. Edited March 28, 2011 by Bane5

[Roger Sanchez]

hehe, u pravi čas dolazi upozorenje s uzvišenog mjesta...

TRIPOLI, Libya — As rebel forces backed by allied warplanes pushed toward one of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi’s most crucial bastions of support, the American military warned on Monday that the insurgents’ rapid advances could quickly be reversed without continued coalition air support. “The regime still vastly overmatches opposition forces militarily,” Gen. Carter F. Ham, the ranking American in the coalition operation, warned in an email message on Monday. “The regime possesses the capability to roll them back very quickly. Coalition air power is the major reason that has not happened.”

Let's talk. edit: ouyeah, endgame is nigh

The North Atlantic Council (NAC), Nato's governing body, yesterday issued something called a NAC Execution Directive, which gave the order for a Canadian general, Charles Bouchard, who has been running the no-fly zone since Friday, to assume command of air strikes as well. In fact, Nato sources say that the actual handover of command of this most controversial element of the western role in Libya will not happen for some days. "It should be done by the end of the week," one official said.The official explanation of the delay is that it will ensure that the handover is completely smooth, but that seems odd. Bouchard is already in place and running other air operations. Whatever the reason for the hold-up, the effect is that the coalition that has been bombing Gaddafi's tanks for the past nine days is still running things.These operations have been coordinated rather than commanded by the US. In practice, the British and French have been choosing their own targets. For the time being, they can continue to act as the rebels' air force, blowing up pro-Gaddafi forces ahead of the insurgents as they race west along the coastal road.We do not know what new rules of engagement were agreed in Brussels on Sunday, but it is hard to imagine that the 28 Nato member states, including Turkey and Germany, would have signed off on the very liberal French and British interpretation of the "all necessary measures" to protect civilians in UN security council resolution 1973.All the signs are that the new rules of engagement will be more restrictive, and not allow Nato pilots to target pro-Gaddafi forces if they do not represent an immediate threat to civilians. Until those rules actually come into operation, the French and British will race to do as much damage as possible to what remains of Gaddafi's military machine.UPDATE: The Guardian's security editor Richard Norton-Taylor says that British defence officials privately concede that the rules of engagement may be made much more restrictive when Nato takes over. They say Bouchard is expected to give a press conference outlining the new position on Thursday, which may mean he does not actually take command until then.

Turska, kako sazanjemo, preuzima upravljanje aerodromom i lukom u Benghaziju i sve kockice polako dolaze na svoje mjesto (to jest sve osim Misurate i eventualnih drugih džepova druggiesa i thuggiesa na zapadu) Edited March 28, 2011 by Roger Sanchez

[Bane5]

Let's talk

Mozda, a mozda je hteo reci 'we need to continue campaign'.edit: ... jer upravo vidimo da put prema Sirtu ciste avioni, bez obzira na Nato komandu. Edited March 28, 2011 by Bane5

[Roger Sanchez]

Mislim da ne, bane.Misrata je poprilično kaputt.

Setting off in big blue bus on govt-organized trip to #Misrata; drive should take couple hours. About 40 -50 journalists onboard. #Libya33 minutes ago via web

Gaddafijeva škvadra se zasad na riječima i malim djelima pokušava izvaditi iz Iman elObeidi debakla: navodno je pet ljudi uhićeno zbog napada na nju, a dvoje konobarica je otpušteno (čitaj: povučeno na druge radne zadatke u Službi).

[Bane5]

osoblje je navodno otpustio turski vlasnik, a ne vlada libije.nisam siguran da je misrata kapput. bar ne danas/sutra.ona se moze odrzati jos par dana (ne vise od toga) ali ne bih licitirao. gadafijeve snage, za sada, kontrolisu predgradja, deo naselja koje se zove ni manje ni vise al-jazeera (nije u vezi sa tv stanicom), glavnu ulicu u misrati sa zgradama u njoj i, cini se, prilaz luci (ne i samu luku).nedovoljno cak i za novinare kojima ce reci da se deo grada "jos uvek cisti od zaostalih bandi".misrata je velik grad, 4 puta veci od adzdabije npr., 8-9 puta veci od sirta i tek mozda za 25% manji od bengazija, a ljudi koji je brane nemaju gde da pobegnu, branice je do kraja.

Edited March 28, 2011 by Bane5

[Budja]

Mozda, a mozda je hteo reci 'we need to continue campaign'.edit: ... jer upravo vidimo da put prema Sirtu ciste avioni, bez obzira na Nato komandu.

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[Bane5]

uspeli su da dovedu revoluciore/pobunjenike na tek 30-ak km od sirta. doduse morala je revo ekipa i da se bori sa ostacima gadafijeve saadi brigade. kako bilo, oni vec sada mogu da koriste zaobilazni put i okruze sirt i/ili cak posalju pomoc ka misrati.prema bbc-ju, koji citira porodicu eman el-obeidi, ona nije oslobodjena i veruje se da je zatvorena negde u kompleksu bab azazija u tripoliju.

[Eraserhead]

Plodovi revolucije

Middle East Egypt set for parliamentary election The country to hold legislative elections in September, seven months after the fall of president Hosni Mubarak.Last Modified: 28 Mar 2011 11:59 Email ArticlePrint ArticleShare ArticleSend Feedback Earlier this month, Egyptians voted overwhelmingly in favour of constitutional amendments [AFP] Egypt's first parliamentary election since the fall of president Hosni Mubarak will be held in September, and the country will lift emergency laws before the vote, a top military officer said."The legislative elections will be held in September," Mamdouh Shaheen, a member of the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, said on Monday."We have said before that parliamentary or presidential polls will not be held while emergency law is still in force," he added.The legislative election date means parties that were crushed under Mubarak's rule have some five months toprepare for the first free parliamentary polls in decades.The military council has ruled Egypt since Mubarak was toppled from power on February 11, following mass protests against his rule.The council plans to relinquish power to a civilian government once a presidential election is held. But no date has yet been decided for a presidential vote, Shaheen said, without elaborating further.The military council also approved a law that eases restrictions on the formation of political parties.Shaheen said new parties would need the approval of 5,000 members from at least 10 of Egypt's 29 provinces.Earlier this month, Egyptians voted overwhelmingly in favour of constitutional amendments, paving the way for elections this year.