Peti oktobar na bliskom istoku i arapskom svetu

[Tutankamon]

u trenucima kada je centar zawiye napokon pao u ruke gadafija, bbc kao retko kada crvenom bojom podvlaci ovu brejking njuz:

Az Zawiya je još pod kontrolom pobunjenika, koliko ja znam. Danas je u njoj mirno. Edited March 10, 2011 by Tutankamon

[borris_]

Требало би у ствари Шарко, јер Sarközi (Шаркези) отприлике значи "међублатни", или "из блатишта".

Hvala ti za ovo :)

[Аврам Гојић]

Требало би у ствари Шарко, јер Sarközi (Шаркези) отприлике значи "међублатни", или "из блатишта".

[Jozef K.]

Mne. Ziher mu je striček Gaddafi iskeširao 2 mil. € za kampanju. I poklonio par šuza povisilica pride.

To najpre može biti. Mislim optužba da je uzeo novac. Sada vadi najtežu municiju, znači biće vazdušnih udara. Kako li se dostavljaju pare u tim situacijama

[расејан]

Hvala ti za ovo :)

У ствари, било би горе да је Саркези (Szarközi), јер szar значи говно, срање. Edited March 10, 2011 by расејан

[Bane5]

Izblaćeni nastavlja ne sluteći šta ga čeka kad se Gadafi naljuti:AFP reports that French President Nicolas Sarkozy has proposed "targeted air strikes" of Libya.

[borris_]

usrao se74% Francuza se protivi vojnoj intervenciji. Edited March 10, 2011 by borris_

[Budja]

Izblaćeni nastavlja ne sluteći šta ga čeka kad se Gadafi naljuti:AFP reports that French President Nicolas Sarkozy has proposed "targeted air strikes" of Libya.

Zanimljivo je kako se Sarkozi kocoperi sada da bi oprao fleke u vezi Tunisa. Jadno je kako i ovako ozbiljne stvari stavlja u funkciju svoje dnevnopoliticke popularnosti.

[borris_]

Sarkozi sve stavlja u funkciju dnevnepoliticke popularnosti. Svoj brak pa svoj razvod pa onda romansu sa Karlom (pa se onda malo smirio sa te strane) itd itd...

[DarkAttraktor]

Ovo sam ladno trebao na Art Abortus Kliniku :D Squatters take over Saif Gaddafi's London home

Protest group Topple the Tyrants seizes what it describes as the Libyan government's 'corrupt and stolen assets'It may be furnished, according to its new occupants, just as you would expect "when you have spent £10m of blood money on a house", but judging by the appearance mid-afternoon of a masked man in camouflage gear carrying two shopping bags from Budgens, no one had thought to fill the fridge.Perhaps when occupying the multimillion-pound London mansion of a tyrant's son, food is some way down the list of priorities. More pressing tasks, for the small group of protesters who have moved into Saif al-Islam Gaddafi's redbrick Hampstead home, were affixing banners to the roof reading "Revolution" and "Out of Libya, out of London", and summoning the press, to whom they declared their actions had been taken "in solidarity with the people of Libya, the people of Cairo, the people of Saudi Arabia".Spokesman Montgomery Jones told the Guardian that the group, called Topple the Tyrants, had been formed in response to the events of the Arab spring; this was their first action. How many of them were there? "We're not doing numbers."Though there were no Libyans among the group, "we have people from the Middle East and we're hoping to disseminate the protests more widely". Further properties would be targeted "if they are owned by dictators, absolutely".A printed notice declaring their legal rights as squatters and taped to the front door, and the appearance of a man in a yellow tabard with the words "legal observer" handwritten on the back, suggested this was not the first such protest for those involved.The property, the protesters said, was managed by Gaddafi through a holding company registered in the British Cayman Islands. They said they had been alerted anonymously to the address.A number of neighbours have spoken in recent days of their disquiet about living close to the dictator's son. One, Dr Saul Zadka, told the Hampstead and Highgate Express that residents did not want to live next to Gaddafi, "even though he became a very acceptable figure among the British high society and political echelons".Around 4pm, assured by telephone that the BBC had arrived, a member of the group climbed out of a window, past a neatly trimmed laurel bush and low box hedgeto address the cameras. "We do not trust the British government to properly seize the Libyan government's corrupt and stolen assets so we have decided to take matters into our own hands."The British government only recently stopped actively helping to train the Libyan regime in crowd control techniques … As well as training the regime in repression, British corporations are also guilty of providing the same weapons that are now being used by Gaddafi against the Libyan people."Two protesters obliged the photographers by climbing on the roof, one carrying a football and declaring: "Dictators are balls."They would stay, said Jones, "until such time as we are sure that [the property] can be returned to the Libyan people". So what did £10m of blood money buy by way of interior decor? "It's palatial, flatscreen TVs in almost every room. We've got them all tuned to al-Jazeera now."

[angern]

Nek zaobiđu kroz pustinju i udare ih s leđa

[braca]

Требало би у ствари Шарко, јер Sarközi (Шаркези) отприлике значи "међублатни", или "из блатишта".

Trebalo bi, al ovde ga tako zovu... kad put pisem na francuskim forumima obicno stavim Sarközy, njegove obozavaoce ove dve tackice na o izludjuju, s obzirom da ne postoje u francuskoj abecedi

[Bane5]

nakon sto su gadafijeve snage posle zauzimanja gotovo cele zawiye, danas usle ponovo i u ras lanuf, situacija se pogorsava po revolucionarne snage. oni svoj spas traze sa neba u bukvalnom smislu tih reci.

The BBC's Chris Morris in Brussels says he is hearing that Nato's talk about a no-fly zone is not just bluff, and that active preparations are being made.

Edited March 10, 2011 by Bane5

[Luka]

Sad čitam da je i Erdogan znatno ublažio raniji stav kategoričnog odbacivanja bilo kakvog mešanja sa strane; kaže može NFZ, ali pod kapom UN pre nego NATO i sa regionalnom podrškom (na bloomberg.com), dočim sam jutros pročitala da je optužio Zapad da je bacio oko na libijsku naftu (na dw-world.de), pa su usledile kontra-optužbe (medijske) da nije pouzdan saveznik Zapada i da to radi iz ideološkog ubeđenja. Što se tiče potrebnog konsenzusa u SB, imajte u vidu da postoji i „džentlmensko pravilo“ da se uzdržavanje od glasanja ne smatra vetom (a nisam primetila da je npr Rusija bila kategorična protiv NFZ?).

Dzeremi Paksman juce intervjusiao Comskog.Kaze, Zapad usled ranijih dogadjanja nema nikakvo pravo da intervenise. Najbolje da sedi sa strane, i da prepusti inicijativu ovim novima, pomenuo je Brazil i Tursku. Ionako niko nije ni trazio stranu intervenciju.Jeste zanimljivo da se opet sve vrti oko NATO-UN, NFZ, a da diplomatije (barem javno) nigde nema. I da se u UK barem stvara atmosfera da su jajare ako ne intervenisu na strani naroda. Ja sam, onako, zbunjen. Sa jedne strane je mucno gledati ludaka kako najpre u prvim danima nesistematski ubija civile, a onda svesno ulazi u gradjanski rat. Sa druge, zaizvanje Carli Vilson operacije (onaj sto je naoruzavao mudzahedine ispod zita da se bore protiv Sovjeta, McCain juce na BBC) i ostale vojne opcije zato sto zapad nema nikakav drugi lever mi nisu prijatne.Gorepomenuti Brazil i Turska su vec pokusavali da posreduju oko Irana, pa su dobili po nosu. Mozda je vreme da im se da nova sansa.

Kako nema diplomatije nigde, juče i danas ne možeš da pohvataš ko je sve gde poslao emisare, od Ban Ki Muna i EU, preko samog Gadafija, pa zatim i Privremeni savet traži priznanje legitimiteta, sad čitam da i Hilari kreće u posetu regionu. Naravno, pitanje je šta će svi ti kontakti izroditi ili će ipak stanje na terenu diktirati ključne odluke. Sve je moguće a situacija se menja iz sata u sat.Što se tiče tvoje zbunjenosti, ona ne čudi jer i na čisto apstraktnom nivou, pitanje moralnosti upotrebe sile i uopšte etike ratova je komplikovano pitanje koje stvara podele i među samim liberalima, i to ne od juče nego barem od Kanta na ovamo. Zapravo, još od srednjovekovne teorije pravednog rata preko doktrine „humanitarne intervencije“, pa do najnovijeg izdanja u vidu koncepta „odgovornosti za zaštitu“ tu nema doslednog i definitivnog odgovora. Slušala sam Chomskog a primećujem da se na američkoj javnoj sceni, posle onog početnog konsenzusa o vojnoj intervenciji, konsolidovao i ovaj drugi blok koji okuplja takođe najrazličitije ideološke profile, od Chomskog do Ron Paula, čiji stav možeš i da naslutiš (otprilike "Šta, tražićemo pare na zajam od Kine da bismo izvršili još jednu invaziju?" -- link). Sve u svemu, čini mi se da su Ameri sada znatno više podeljeni nego pre nedelju dana. Itd.

[Gandalf]

:) With the protests going on daily in Bahrain... They have to get creative. So one day was assigned for health workers, one for laborers, one for Harley bikers. Yesterday being women's day it was women only protest. Few days back it was for horse riders... The donkey owners felt left out and arranged their own protest.