Anduril Posted March 4, 2011 Posted March 4, 2011 Koja upornost. ............Pa sad, na stranu svo filozofiranje sa drugog topika ali to je sigurno nesto sto bi ovim jadnicima u Tripoliju sada bilo neophodno i bez cega ce ih jos mnogo, mnogo poginuti. Ovi Gadafijevi su cak daleko od jedne organizovane vojske pa opet mogu na taj nacin (njih par hiljada) da kontrolisu milionski grad. A demonstranti fakticki cak nemaju pravo ni na samoodbranu.
Tutankamon Posted March 4, 2011 Posted March 4, 2011 BREAKING: Between 6000 and 7000 revolutionaries headed towards Ras Lanuf BREAKING BREAKING: Defections in the main battalion in Ras Lanuf!
S.L. Posted March 4, 2011 Posted March 4, 2011 (edited) ....Nisi Ti davao svoje mišljenje, u tom slučaju bi Ti neko lepo objasnio gde grešiš, Ti si tvrdio postojanje nekih procedura. Pitao sam za te procedure a sve što ste obojica našli su kurs za preživljavanje u zarobljeništvu i najopštije moguće objašnjenje - 1 svetski standard.Glede pametovanja - nikada se ne bi desilo je dat stav o temi, umesto toga, dvojica stručnjaka za specijalne jedinice, od kojih jedan nije ni služio vojsku (jadnu kakva je), mašu nekim procedurama kojih doduše nema na netu, ali postoje, sigurno da postoje....Ono oko čega ćemo se valjda složiti je da se ne šalju naoružani vojnici u bilo kakav zadatak da dižu ruke na prvo "stoj!". Ukoliko se pak ispostavi da su bili bez ijedne cevi, vojnicima respekt za pokušaj, a njihovoj komandi isusovanje do neba u svakom slučaju. Ajde čoveče kad toliko potenciraš tuđu stručnost, skeniraj i okači svoju diplomu (i sliku sa Čak Norisom) koja dokazuje da si najveći expert za vojna pitanja Šta to očekuješ, da 3 (tri) osobe odu da evakuišu i spasu sunarodnike tako što će otvoriti vatru na veći broj vojnika? Ajde...Možda su trebali da nose kapsule sa cijanidom umesto što su se predali? Pa čim je operacija evakuacije cilj je (gle čuda) da se spašavaju ljudi a ne da što ih više izgine.Ne treba ti PS da bi to ukapirao... Batalite tu priču, kačite sveže slike i tweetove... Edited March 4, 2011 by S.L.
Bane5 Posted March 4, 2011 Posted March 4, 2011 (edited) Ras Lanuf je jako bitna luka i rafinerija u Libiji. Ako bi pao Ras Lanuf, sve najvece rafinerije bi prakticno bile pod kontrolom revolucionara.Padom Ras Lanufa, Sirt najjace uporiste Gadafijevog rezima i njegovo rodno mesto bi bilo na prvoj liniji sukoba. Ukoliko se to desi, nisam siguran da ce se ici na napad na Sirt, vec ce se ici na zaobilazenje/okruzivanje samog grada i pregovora o predaji, ali sacekajmo da vidimo sta ce se prvo desiti sa Ras Lanufom. Na pocetku revolucije, Ras Lanuf je istakao zastavu revolucije, ali sam grad nije imao oruzja niti bio branjen i Gadafijeve snage su ga lako povratile. Ono sto je takodje interesantno je to da kako dolazi do jacanja pritiska na njegove jedinice, dolazi do podvajanja i raspada u njihovim redovima sto samo govori o njihovom moralu i niskom stepenu zelje da ratuju i ginu za Gadafija.edit: U isto vreme traju i demonstracije u nekim delovima Tripolija i zestok sukob u okolini Al Zawiye na zapadu zemlje.Kako se moze videti, prema izvestajima, ovo moze biti najkrvaviji dan od pocetka libijske revolucije. Edited March 4, 2011 by Bane5
minka Posted March 4, 2011 Posted March 4, 2011 (edited) Milsim da ustanici nemaju problema sa logistikom. Verujem da dobijaju, drze granu sa egiptom. Pitanje je kako su opremljeni, odnosno sta su od tehnike makli, a sta su dobili uz pobunjene vojne jedinice. Nekako imam utisak da Gadafi nije najsavremenijom opremom naouruzao bas regularne trupe. Diktatori obicno imaju neku svoju Gardu™, skup odlicno obucenih i opremljenih vojnika, koji su brainwashovani do muke i koji su verni do smrti Velikom Vodji (imao ih je i nas marshal), savremene pretorijance. E sad, pod uslovom da se NATO ne ukljuci direktno kao air support, cisto sumnjam da ce ustanici moci da pariraju dobro obucenim i opremljenim pretorijancima. Ni brojcana nadmoc im nece pomoci, ni ucenje Romela. Romel je imao manju, ali tehnicki superiornu armiju. Ovde je obrnuto - manja snaga je i tehnicki inferiorna. Narocito ako se i ovo uzme u obzir (napisano u julu prosle godine):Russia will upgrade up to 200 T-72 main battle tanks for the Libyan Army as part of a €1.3bn ($1.6bn) military cooperation deal signed earlier this year.Under the bilateral defence agreement, Russia will deliver an undisclosed number of fighter jets and air-defence systems, according to RIA Novosti.Both countries have been involved in modernising the T-72 tanks since 2006 in an effort to resume their military technical cooperation.To date, Libya has purchased more than 2,000 tanks, 2,000 armoured infantry fighting vehicles and armoured personnel carriers, 450 self-propelled artillery pieces, and a number of combat aircraft from Russia.T 55 u svakoj varijanti nema apsolutno nikakve sanse ni sa T72 sa pocetka osamdesetih. Ako su mu rusi prosle godine uradili 1 upgrade, tih 200 komada ce biti neverovatan advantage na ravnici (neko je ispravno pomenuo gore konfiguraciju na kojoj ce se odvijati glavni sukob).Ustanici bi trebalo da razmsile o pregovorima, dok je jos vreme. Nudi se Chavez, nude se UN. Imaju arapsku ligu, imaju OAN. Ako izgube na bojnom polju, verujem da ce Gadafi biti veoma surov. A ma koliko amerima trebala nafta, nesto mi se cini da marinci nece marsirati pustinjom, i da, u najboljem slucaju, ustanici mogu da ocekuju neku zonu zabranjenog leta, koju ce zapad sprovesti mimo UN (rusija i kina ce glasati protiv). Ako nece pregovore, neka im je Bog u pomoci...SLIKAkomentar uz sliku:Dicing with death: A rebel smokes a cigarette just inches from a lethal rocket-propelled grenade launcher at a checkpoint in Brega:isuse: 3 Dutch marines held in Libya after failed rescue Kakvi amateri!!!Savez izvidjaca im nije ravan. jbt, neko od vas je pomenuo 3 mex-a iz 99 - nisu bila tri mexa, jedan je bio neki redneck iz nekog vajoming/viskonsina/oregona, onaj visoki sto je bio najjace oplavljen). Oni su nesretnici zalutali preko grane, sto na tom delu granice i nije tesko. Edited March 4, 2011 by minka
zorglub Posted March 4, 2011 Posted March 4, 2011 (edited) Batalite tu priču, kačite sveže slike i tweetove...Slažem se. Ipak pročitaj poslednje dve rečenice iz quote-ovanog post-a te nađi gde sam kritikovao holandske marince. Edited March 4, 2011 by zorglub
Bane5 Posted March 4, 2011 Posted March 4, 2011 (edited) Ovde ce do kraja dana biti hiljade mrtvih, samo od jutros u Misrati i Zawiyi ima preko 100 mrtvih, ko zna koliko ih je u Ras Lanufu, a ovo moze da podigne broj za jos najmanje par stotina. Uzas. BREAKING: Reports of Clashes in the heart of Tripoli Edited March 4, 2011 by Bane5
Iskon Posted March 4, 2011 Posted March 4, 2011 YEMEN: Protesters have rejected a so-called compromise plan with President Saleh and are taking to the streets in huge numbers. North Yemen rebels say the army bombed their protest and shot and killed several protesters.BAHRAIN: The first major outbreak of sectarian violence leaves several dead. Anti-government protests, since the government is Sunni and most people are Shia.LIBYA: Huge protests are planned in the Qaddafi-held capital of Tripoli. Qaddafi is deploying troops. Yesterday they were shooting anyone who dared protest in Tripoli. Meanwhile battles over eastern cities continue.Plus there's a big rally in Egypt, though it has been billed as a celebration since the prime minister resigned yesterday. Thousands rallying in Iraq again. Also keep your eye on the refugee crisis on the Tunisian border. This latest call coincides with regional political upheaval and has the potential to escalate, in our view. So far, things in Kuwait have been relatively quiet, with opposition groups refraining from protests in light of a number of important national celebrations, including the 50th anniversary of independence and the 20th anniversary of the liberation of Kuwait (50/20 celebrations). But this could be about to change. Activists have called for a rally outside parliament on 8 March, demanding the resignation of the Prime Minister and wider political and economic reforms. It is uncertain how much support such a rally would garner among the wider population, but with such rallies there is a risk of violence and escalation, as we have seen elsewhere in the region.Kuwait has the resources to alleviate the economic grievances of its people, but we believe the fractious political landscape appears to be set for further upheaval regardless. Kuwait is further down the line towards a constitutional monarchy than most of its GCC partners. While this may limit the extent of direct action taken, such as street protests, we believe that relations between the NA and the government are once again set to deteriorate. As we have repeatedly argued, this has implications for economic policy. :)
Аврам Гојић Posted March 4, 2011 Posted March 4, 2011 Velika Britanija zaplenila brod sa libijskim novcemLONDON, 4. marta (Tanjug) - Brod koji je prevozio libijski novac u vrednosti od 160 miliona dolara zaplenjen je prilikom povratka iz Libije, saopštila je danas zvaničnica britanske vlade.Brod se vratio u Veliku Britaniju nakon što je posada odlučila da, zbog nemira, ne pristane u luci Tripoli, prenosi AP izjavu zvaničnice koja nije želela da bude imenovana.Ona nije rekla ni o čijem se brodu radi, samo je istakla da se brod vratio u luku Harvič, na istoku Engleske, u pratnji pograničnih čamaca. Nekoliko kontejnera punih novca su pretovareni i preneti na sigurno mesto, prenosi AP.
Bane5 Posted March 4, 2011 Posted March 4, 2011 (edited) The BBC's Wyre Davies has now left the Tripoli suburb of Tajoura, where tear gas and rubber bullets were used to break up an anti-government protest. "Any message that Col Gaddafi may have given in recent days that he is widely loved and that there are no demonstrations against his regime in Tripoli, were put to the sword today," he says. Edited March 4, 2011 by Bane5
Iskon Posted March 4, 2011 Posted March 4, 2011 Mubarak faces corruption probe on gas to Israel, warrants for Israeli, US partners :)
Аврам Гојић Posted March 4, 2011 Posted March 4, 2011 BREAKING: Reports Ras Lanuf may be controlled by the people, will try to confirm
Kayser Posted March 4, 2011 Posted March 4, 2011 HUNT THE HUNTERS #LIBYA frm Misratah offer $25 million for Gaddafi's head and $20 million for of each of his sons.
Radoye Posted March 4, 2011 Posted March 4, 2011 Washington o no-fly zoneu:Predizborna kampanja, ovo Mekejnovo mlacenje gloginja tudjim q.
Bane5 Posted March 4, 2011 Posted March 4, 2011 najvaznije gadafijeve snage iz sirta su bile danas u borbama u odbrani ras lanufa. ukoliko revolucionari zauzmu grad to ce biti zestok poraz gadafija.
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