Amerika, zemlja velika

[Pantelija jr]

novinari al jazire

 

ah, znaci arapi. no big deal.

Edited August 14, 2014 by Pantelija jr

[Eraserhead]

U zemlji u kojoj se ludaci vozaju okolo naoruzani u pick-upovima policija je obracunava sa mirnim demonstrantima koji protestvuju zbog ubistva nenaoruzanog deteta.

[Аврам Гојић]

 

 

Law-enforcement agencies across the U.S., at every level of government, have been blurring the line between police officer and soldier. Driven by martial rhetoric and the availability of military-style equipment — from bayonets and M‑16 rifles to armored personnel carriers — American police forces have often adopted a mindset previously reserved for the battlefield. 

 

 

Ovako kaže novinar i pisac Radley Balko.

 

Nemojte ljudi to raditi, imate narod naoružan do zuba, samodovoljan, inventivan i veoma ponosan. Će bude igračka plačka.

Edited August 14, 2014 by Грешни Василије

[mandingo]

svinje pokazuju zube. srusili su sve rekorde po swat intervencijama, naoruzani su do zuba, dosta od njih su veterani iz iraka i avganistana, recju - uzas.

 

ovakva divljanja policije ce biti sve redovnija pojava, cini mi se.

[WTF]

U zemlji u kojoj se ludaci vozaju okolo naoruzani u pick-upovima policija je obracunava sa mirnim demonstrantima koji protestvuju zbog ubistva nenaoruzanog deteta.

 

Pa nece na te naoruzane u pick-up trucks, ti bi mogli da uzvrate vatru. 

 

Najveca ironija je to sto je sad u belim suburban krajevima oko STL skocila prodaja oruzja.  Bio neki clip, lik koji je vlasnik gun shopa kaze da ovaku jagmu za svim vrstama naourzanja nisu imali jos od odmah posle Obaminih izbornih pobeda.  Znaci policija opremljena i naoruzana kao vojska jebe kevu nenaoruzanim crncima, a belci se naoruzavaju za slucaj da im pobednik ovog fajta dodje u kraj.

[Eraserhead]

Pa nece na te naoruzane u pick-up trucks, ti bi mogli da uzvrate vatru. 

 

Najveca ironija je to sto je sad u belim suburban krajevima oko STL skocila prodaja oruzja.  Bio neki clip, lik koji je vlasnik gun shopa kaze da ovaku jagmu za svim vrstama naourzanja nisu imali jos od odmah posle Obaminih izbornih pobeda.  Znaci policija opremljena i naoruzana kao vojska jebe kevu nenaoruzanim crncima, a belci se naoruzavaju za slucaj da im pobednik ovog fajta dodje u kraj.

 

 

Pravo da ti kazem ja bih ovde bio naoruzan za svaki slucaj. Nikad (ukljucujuci i NY) nisam video da je negde ovoliko ljudi naoruzano i da svaka budala moze da kupi koje oruzje. Nevidjena kultura oruzja i to onda ide u krug, policija postaje vojska, a gradjani postaju milicija. 

[Аврам Гојић]

policija postaje vojska, a gradjani postaju milicija. 

 

Koj je tebi danas? Pišeš sve ko što bih i ja pisao.

Vidi Miraleme, Eraser je sad moj drug!

[Eraserhead]

Koj je tebi danas? Pišeš sve ko što bih i ja pisao.

Vidi Miraleme, Eraser je sad moj drug!

 

Ma pusti, kladili se Miralem i ja da mogu da pisem kao sto bi ti pisao. :P

[WTF]

Pravo da ti kazem ja bih ovde bio naoruzan za svaki slucaj. Nikad (ukljucujuci i NY) nisam video da je negde ovoliko ljudi naoruzano i da svaka budala moze da kupi koje oruzje. Nevidjena kultura oruzja i to onda ide u krug, policija postaje vojska, a gradjani postaju milicija. 

 

Pa zakoni o drzanju i nosenju oruzja u NY i NC su kao nebo i zemlja, naravno da ces videti razliku u stepenu naoruzavanja.  A ako hoces da se naoruzas, to ti bar ovde nece biti problem, ako ti treba preporuka za gun store, shooting range ili tako nesto, slobodno pitaj.  Evo ti za pocetak Concealed Carry info za tvoj lokal. :D

[Eraserhead]

Pa zakoni o drzanju i nosenju oruzja u NY i NC su kao nebo i zemlja, naravno da ces videti razliku u stepenu naoruzavanja.  A ako hoces da se naoruzas, to ti bar ovde nece biti problem, ako ti treba preporuka za gun store, shooting range ili tako nesto, slobodno pitaj.  Evo ti za pocetak Concealed Carry info za tvoj lokal. :D

 

Zahvaljujem mozda i odem, cimer mi je naoruzan kao da ce sverenokoreanci da udare na Durham svakog casa. Pre par meseci hteo cale moje devojke da joj kupi pistolj za rodjendan i ja budala dosao iz Evrope i krenem s pricom "Ma joook koj ce ti, neka ti uzme bicikl". I ona na kraju dobije bicikl. E sad sam ja u fazonu "Realno bolje da ti je uzeo pistolj". :D

Edited August 14, 2014 by Eraserhead

[Prospero]

Julia Joffe ima zanimljivu tezu:

 

Ferguson Will Make It Harder for America to Set a Good Example Abroad

By Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe

 

The night Ferguson blew up, I happened to find myself having dinner with two old friends from Moscow. Dinner ground to a halt as we became transfixed by our Twitter feeds, showing each other photographs of figures engulfed by thunderclouds of tear gas, shaking our heads in disbelief: This was America, 2014.

 

We had been on the front lines together, covering the race riots in Moscow in December 2010 and the pro-democracy protests of 2011-2012. Clouds of tear gas lit up by flares and Molotov cocktails in the case of the former; in the case of the latter, police truncheons slicing down on unarmed protesters, dragging young men and women away, throwing cowering retirees into the churning mass of fists and stones and billy clubs. 

 

PHOTO GALLERY: Scenes from a War Zone in the Middle of America

 

At the time, the violence we saw in the streets of Moscow was easy to understand: This is the violence of an authoritarian state dealing with disagreement, whether it came from neo-Nazis or white collar office workers asking for fair elections. Our Russian friends turned to us, the Americans, for answers. This would never happen in America, would it? They asked.

 

No, of course not, we told them.

 

The America we pitched them, acting unwittingly in our homesickness as the best P.R. agents this country ever had, was a place of reason and measure, a place where there was dialogue even about the most difficult and thorny subjects. “Every system makes mistakes,” we told them. “It’s how the system addresses them.” The idea was that America fixed its mistakes, and actively, brightly fought the long shadows of slavery and the fact that there are still people around who are not very old who had to drink at different water fountains than other people. We dealt with these things, we told our Russian friends, empathizing with them, stuck as they were with a corrupt and cynical government. And we believed it.

 

We were not original in this. In the 1950s and 60s, the White House was painfully conscious that the civil rights movement was going to either be a boon or a thorn for their foreign policy when it came to grappling with the Soviet Union. The U.S.S.R, after all, was about equality, at least on paper. The now sacred Russian tactic of “whataboutism” started with civil rights: Whenever the U.S. pointed to Soviet human rights violations, the Soviets had an easy riposte. “Well, you,” they said, “lynch Negros.” 

 

And they had a point.

 

And it made a difference. When the Voting Rights Act was gutted last summer, Louis Menand wrote about the role of civil rights in an America made self-conscious in its fight with the Soviet Union.

 

Southern mayors and governors were playing to their electoral bases. But American Presidents were trying to run a Cold War. They could live with Jim Crow when it was an invisible regional peculiarity, but once conditions were broadcast around the world they experienced an urgent need to make the problem go away.

The pressure of world opinion was crucial to the speed with which civil-rights gains were made after 1954. It forced American Presidents to do something Presidents rarely do, which was to get out ahead of domestic opinion on the subject of race. When a bus carrying Freedom Riders was firebombed outside Anniston, Alabama, on Mother’s Day, 1961, and a photograph appeared the next day on the front page of the New York Times, John F. Kennedy was horrified. He had never heard of the Freedom Riders and had no idea what they were doing in Alabama. (They were testing the integration of interstate bus terminals pursuant to a recent Supreme Court decision. They were obliged to conclude that the decision had had little impact.

Kennedy called the one person in the White House with a civil-rights brief, Harris Wofford. “Can’t you get your goddamned friends off those buses?” he said. “Stop them.” Sixty-three per cent of the American public disapproved of the Freedom Riders, but American public opinion was not Kennedy’s concern. His first summit meeting with Nikita Khrushchev was scheduled to take place in Vienna in three weeks, and he could see Khrushchev waving the Times in his face.

 

As Mary Dudziak explains in her important book “Cold War Civil Rights” (2000), the trick was to turn a failure of government into something that looked like a triumph of government. Civil rights had to become a story about how American democracy confronted an injustice and eradicated it. The nation that had liberated Europe from racist domination had gone to the rescue of another captive people. It was important to do this heroically, not apologetically. No elected official relishes having to deal with a charismatic popular leader; the usual forms of leverage are not effective. Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson did not especially like dealing with King. But they needed him, because they needed a hero whose vision the democratic system could realize. The triumphalist narrative demanded it.

 

Unwittingly, we carried on that triumphalist narrative, long after the Cold War was won, as was, we were told, the fight over civil rights. Bush was gone, Obama was the president, and we could once again represent a just and luminous America. It was so much easier for everyone that way, both for our Russian friends who felt imprisoned by a deeply unjust system, ready to annihilate them at a moment’s notice, and for us, living swaddled in that society. We liked to think we had a just a lovely place to go to home to, and that these few just and lovely Russians could escape there with us.

 

Watching the riots in Ferguson, Missouri, it’s hard not to wince looking back at that, at our foolish idea of our country. Russian police arrested journalists at protests, not American cops. And, even if the chances are higher that heads will roll here for something like this than in Russia, it’s hard not to notice one thing: Even at the height of the race riots in Moscow, at the height of the crackdown on the opposition, even the Russian police did not use rubber bullets.

 

And, like it or not, this is what the world is seeing, the world to which we strive to be an example.

 

[MancMellow]

Zahvaljujem mozda i odem, cimer mi je naoruzan kao da ce sverenokoreanci da udare na Durham svakog casa. Najsmesnije sto pre par meseci hteo cale moje devojke da joj kupi pistolj za rodjendan i ja budala dosao iz Evrope i krenem s pricom "Ma joook koj ce ti, neka ti uzme bicikl". I ona na kraju dobije bicikl. E sad sam ja u fazonu "Realno bolje da ti je uzeo pistolj". :D

 

errrm, nije...  ^_^

[akibono]

Ono u Bostonu kad su blokirali ceo grad da bi jurili teen-čečena, pa izletele brojne policijske formacije iz grada i okoline opremljene i naoružane bolje nego trupe na frontu je bio ozbiljan 'okootvarač' dokle se došlo u toj militarizaciji policije, da je praktično van kontrole. Tada je počelo da se dosta priča i piše na tu temu, pa su tad uglavnom isplivale u mejnstrim statistike koliko imaju onih 'SWAT' timova, kakvi su, kako sve opremljeni, i gde i kako reaguju (izlaze na teren i upadaju u kuće za najveće gluposti). Ko se seća fotografija zna kako je izgledalo.

 

Na žalost koliko znam najčešći uzrok ovome je zapravo finansijske prirode, pravljenjem tih timova, opremanjem i silnim 'akcijama na terenu' pravdaju i pune budžete, dobijaju dodatne dnevnice i sl.

 

Sad još imaju one prave borbene oklopne automobile/kamione što stižu iz Iraka & Avganistana....

[Dimitrije]

Bas da su bili naoruzani bolje nego armija nije tacno.  Uzgred, teen-ceceni su dan pre toga bacili bombu u masu, ubili tri osobe, nekoliko stotina tesko povredili, zatim ubili MIT policajca i otvorili vatru na policijsku patrolu koja ih je gonila.  (To puskaranje je bilo mnogo ozbiljnije nego gangsterski obracuni u Cikagu 1930-ih.)  Dobro se secam tog dogadjaja, ne sa fotografija nego kao zitelj Bostona koji se nalazio ne mnogo daleko od mesta ekspolozije.  Ta reakcija policije, ma kako vama izgledala groteskna i neumerena, nama koji zivimo u Bostonu je bila na mestu i ulivala sigurnost.

Edited August 14, 2014 by Dimitrije

[Prospero]

@akibono

 

Istini za volju svi su bolje naoružani nego pre par decenija. Nije retkost da bande imaju kalaše ili slično automatsko oružje, i meni je OK da policija bude opremljena i za takav slučaj - šlemovi, panciri, kevlar, budžena vozila. Sad, verujem da se u masovnosti toga preteralo ali čisto da ponovim taj moment lakše dostupnosti "ozbiljnog" oružja za sve voljne & željne igrače.