Amerika, zemlja velika

[pasha]

Propast je posledica visoke inflacije koja je pocela jos pre otvorenog ruskog upada u Ukrajini a od tada se znacajno pojacala...

Naravno da ce da spasavaju, jok treba da puste paniku koja je vec krenula na manje stedionice u SAD...

 

Vidim da je i Bajden imao javno obracanje jutros po SAD vremenu po ovome pitanju. Dakle iza scene je ozbiljna panika.

Edited March 13, 2023 by pasha

[brusli]

Dobro, i ko je na kraju kriv za ove kolapse i bailoute ?

 

[Filipenko]

9 minutes ago, brusli said:

Dobro, i ko je na kraju kriv za ove kolapse i bailoute ?

 

 

 

Kapitalizam.

[brusli]

8 minutes ago, Filipenko said:

 

 

Kapitalizam.

S obzirom da nema drugih krivaca, onda ostaje da je sistem pogresno dizajniran.

 

[dragance]

46 minutes ago, brusli said:

A narandzasto govedo.

 

Narandzasto govedo je popustilo lobiju ovakvih banki pa su tretirani kao “regionalna banka za razvoj”. Imali su i UK firmu, srećom prešli su odredjeni nivo tamo, pa su spali pod efektniju kontrolu - HSBC spasao stvar tamo. 
 

Ovde shareholderi ne dobijaju bailout, već samo oni sa računima u banci koji sigurno nisu krivi ni zašta.

[brusli]

Kucamo na vrata zaboravljenih asova:

Ben Bernanke, former US Federal Reserve chief, wins Nobel Prize

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernanke_doctrine

Spoiler

To combat deflation, Bernanke provided a prescription for the Federal Reserve to prevent it. He identified seven specific measures that the Fed can use to prevent deflation.

1) Increase the money supply (M1 and M2).

"The US government has a technology, called a printing press, that allows it to produce as many dollars as it wishes at essentially no cost." "Under a paper-money system, a determined government can always generate higher spending and, hence, positive inflation."^[1]

2) Ensure liquidity makes its way into the financial system through a variety of measures.

"The U.S. government is not going to print money and distribute it willy-nilly ..."although there are policies that approximate this behavior."^[1]

3) Lower interest rates – all the way down to 0 per cent.

Bernanke observed that people have traditionally thought that, when the funds rate hits zero, the Federal Reserve will have run out of ammunition. However, by imposing yields paid by long-term Treasury Bonds,

"a central bank should always be able to generate inflation, even when the short-term nominal interest rate is zero ...[this] more direct method, which I personally prefer, would be for the Fed to announce ceilings for yields on all longer-maturity Treasury debt."^[1]

He noted that Fed had successfully engaged in "bond-price pegging" following the Second World War.

4) Control the yield on corporate bonds and other privately issued securities. Although the Federal Reserve cannot legally buy these securities (thereby determining the yields), it can, however, simulate the necessary authority by lending dollars to banks at a fixed term of 0 per cent, taking back from the banks corporate bonds as collateral.

5) Depreciate the U.S. dollar. Referring to U.S Monetary Policy in the 1930s under Franklin Roosevelt, he states that:

"This devaluation and the rapid increase in money supply ... ended the U.S. deflation remarkably quickly."^[1]

6) Execute a de facto depreciation by buying foreign currencies on a massive scale.

"The Fed has the authority to buy foreign government debt ... [t]his class of assets offers huge scope for Fed operations because the quantity of foreign assets eligible for purchase by the Fed is several times the stock of U.S. government debt."^[1]

7) Buy industries throughout the U.S. economy with "newly created money". In essence, the Federal Reserve acquires equity stakes in banks and financial institutions. In this "private-asset option," the Treasury could issue trillions in debt and the Fed would acquire it, still using newly created money.

 

Edited March 13, 2023 by brusli

[brusli]

1 hour ago, dragance said:

Narandzasto govedo je popustilo lobiju ovakvih banki pa su tretirani kao “regionalna banka za razvoj”. Imali su i UK firmu, srećom prešli su odredjeni nivo tamo, pa su spali pod efektniju kontrolu - HSBC spasao stvar tamo. 
 

Ovde shareholderi ne dobijaju bailout, već samo oni sa računima u banci koji sigurno nisu krivi ni zašta.

Tu je problem sto ce onda svi racuni u svim bankama morati da budu osigurani, a postoji razlog zasto je uveden limit na depozite.

[dragance]

To je trenutno seci-uši-krpi-dupe rešenje da ne bi došlo do kolapsa, tj da ne bi sve mušterije krenule u svoje banke da vade novac. Ovo će biti otplaćeno od prodaje assetsa kojih ima dovoljno. Ako/kad bude kod drugih, moraće da provere detaljniju situaciju. 
 

Što je najgore, rešenje već postoji i samo treba ukinuti Trampov nalog za “regionalne banke”.

[brusli]

Sto ga demokrate nisu ukinuli, imali su vecinu.

 

[dragance]

Nisu. Tj imali su na papiru, ali ono dvoje kretena iz WVa i AZ su sve to blokirali.

Edited March 13, 2023 by dragance

[brusli]

Kad smo vec kod zaboravljenih asova:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Volcker

 

Nista on Nobelove nagrade, kao i:

Spoiler

Nobel laureate Joseph Stiglitz said about him in an interview:

Paul Volcker, the previous Fed Chairman known for keeping inflation under control, was fired because the Reagan administration didn't believe he was an adequate de-regulator.^[28]

 

[brusli]

7 minutes ago, dragance said:

Nisu. Tj imali su na papiru, ali ono dvoje kretena iz WVa i AZ su sve to blokirali.

I nisu mogli nikoga od republikanaca da privole na svoju stranu, ili je sve to ludo.

 

 

[Filipenko]

Ovo razbojnistvo ima nekoliko posledica:

 

- Vise nema too big to fail banaka, sada su i relativno male banke too big to fail

- Ne postoji rizicna strana bankarskog angazmana. Mozes da radis sta hoces i da rizikujes koliko hoces, doci ce da te spasu

- Ispostavlja se da bogatuni imaju vrlo jasne i hitre mehanizme pljackanja poreskih obveznika putem bailouta. Oni ne moraju da prolaze kroz kongres, ne moraju da prolaze procedure, ne moraju da traze novac niti da prolaze nekakve testove isplativosti ili opravdanosti, oni dobijaju milijarde odmah

- Efektivno se ulazi na teritoriju gde savezna vlada / FED odjednom treba da garantuje 9 biliona dolara SVIH uloga u svim bankama. Naravno da u praksi to nije moguce, ali vrlo je moguce da ce dolaziti do znacajnih povecanja cena bankarskih usluga, na nivoe koji doskora nisu bili zamislivi. Npr. da se ugradjuju banke u transakcije za citave stotine dolara, da izdavanje kreditne kartice kosta 500 dolara, da odrzavanje racuna kosta 2000 dolara godisnje itd.

- FED je ovim u principu usrao svoju politiku stezanja kaisa i dok na jednoj strani dize kamatne stope i time ispumpava kes iz citave ekonomije, sa druge strane za budjave silikonce ima kesa za veselje

- Rukovodstvo banke je bukvalno rasprodalo svoje licne deonice i podelilo bonuse na dan katastrofe, nadam se da ne moram da idem dalje da objasnjavam sta to znaci

 

Sve u svemu, tech je potpuno nezdrava grana ekonomije i treba ga zatvoriti.

[black mirror]

u nekom normalnom svetu privatne banke ne bi trebalo da postoje kao i privatna vojna industrija, farmaceutska industrija, privatni mediji...

 

nego uzivam da gledam da kada u kapitalizmu koriste socijalizam kao spas od sranja, kokice 

[x500]

Ovo je debela svinjarija, opet ce drzava da spasava dupeta bogatasa i menadzera koji se "kockaju". Sve to ce placati obican covek kroz inflaciju i poreze.