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Hvala. Ja sam verovatno jedini ko nije gledao tu seriju.

 

Edit: prvi pucnji. Btw imam utisak po ekipi oko mene koja je uglavnom pro-protest da su s ovim paljenjima demonstranti uprskali sto se podrske tice.

Dokle god se protesti pretvaraju u kradju, paljenje i napadanje radnika u radnjama dotle nece uspeti da osvoje hearts n minds populacije, cenim.

 

Mogli bi malo da se ugledaju na marseve predaka.

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Mogli bi malo da se ugledaju na marseve predaka.

crnacka kultura nasilja.

 

 

On the night of August 28, 1964, officers Robert Wells and John Hoff responded to a domestic dispute at the corner of 22nd Street and Columbia Avenue. As the officers attempted to resolve the conflict between Odessa Bradford and her husband Rush, the commotion attracted a crowd, which subsequently attacked the police with bricks and other debris. Rumor and misinformation, specifically that a black pregnant woman had been beaten to death by a white policeman, fed the disorder and what began as a minor police incident erupted into a riot that consumed North Philadelphia for days.

 

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Edit: prvi pucnji. Btw imam utisak po ekipi oko mene koja je uglavnom pro-protest da su s ovim paljenjima demonstranti uprskali sto se podrske tice.

 

Dokle god se protesti pretvaraju u kradju, paljenje i napadanje radnika u radnjama dotle nece uspeti da osvoje hearts n minds populacije, cenim.

 

Mogli bi malo da se ugledaju na marseve predaka.

 

Pa sad bas i nisam siguran za tu hearts and minds i podrsku.  Ima ljudi ovde ciji su hearts and minds uvek bili izgubljeni, onih kojima je prizor od grupe crnaca (a nekad samo i jednog samog samcatog) na ulici razlog da se odmah povuce u neki defanzivni mode i da ceo taj kraj etiketira kao "los kraj", "ghetto" ili "hood".  Pomenuo je neko ovde pretke™ i njihove marseve 60ih, a tu ne bi bilo na odmet reci da su ti preci koji su tada mirno, dostojanstveno i nenasilno marsirali i protestvovali od strane tadasnjih vlasti i velike vecine tadasnjih medija bili prozivani kao "strani placenici", "komunisticki agenti", i ko zna sta sve jos.

 

Svako drugi ce da razume da Afro-Americka populacija nije monolitna i da medju njima, kao i medju svim drugim etnickim grupama ima raznih.  U zadnjih nekoliko dana protesti u Baltimoru su bili velikom vecinom mirni i bez nekog nasilja.  I juce je sahrana protekla sasvim mirno i bez problema.  Onda se tu ukljucila neka druga ekipa i organizovala svoj "Patike za Kosovo Freddy Graya" miting.  Najbolji indicator toga je da su prvi okrsaji juce poceli kod jednog shopping malla.

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Bukovao ga Hannity za sledećih 12 gostovanja u emisiji, mada to i nije tako teško. He had him at "animals".

 

Sramotne budalaštine lupa čovek, uz 3% smisla. Onako usput je pomenuo činjenicu da je "Freddie Gray got himself killed" :isuse:

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Bukovao ga Hannity za sledećih 12 gostovanja u emisiji, mada to i nije tako teško. He had him at "animals".

 

Sramotne budalaštine lupa čovek, uz 3% smisla. Onako usput je pomenuo činjenicu da je "Freddie Gray got himself killed" :isuse:

 

Ista fora kao oni iz picerije iz Indiane, ili onomad onaj Joe The Plumber.  5 minuta desnokrilno-mamojebnog spotlighta, gostovanja na Fox Noise, Breitbart, Red State, Drudge, the works.  Jos kad krene da dobija pretnje smrcu i zbog njih bude primoran da ode u neko izgnanstvo na Floridu ili u neke druge juzne krajeve, pa da namlati neku lovu na gofundme.com ili preko neke akcije prikupljanja pomoci, bice na konju. 

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Uh, a taj crowdsourcing što sad pokušava svaki bednik koji je kao slučajno nešto izlanuo u javnosti je posebna priča :D Ti iz picerije neočekivano dobili pare i odmah krenuli copycats - hajde i ja da mrzim gejove na internetu pa da tražim da mi se finansijski pomogne jer mi PC police ubi posao...

 

Moderna verzija spaljivanja firme pred bakrotom radi osiguranja.

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^ e do qrca, pomislio bi covek da su bankari puskama terali ljude da uzimaju kredite.  :lol:

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“People aren’t supposed to burn buildings, destroy property, trash cars, break windows, or vandalize buildings, so when I see those things happen I immediately know that I can criticize them as rights-violations and a case of unjustified violence, and call for restraint and punishment of the offenders.”

 

“Police are in principle supposed to have the coercive power to arrest criminals, including shoplifters and vandals. In practice there are sure to be abuses, but we need to know the context and await the results of an investigation before we can know that. Even a death during a confrontation isn’t a sure sign that the police did anything wrong; there is such a thing as resisting arrest, and in principle it would be better if people peaceably complied when legitimate coercive power was exercised against them.”

 

 

I get this combination of thoughts, I do. But when combined they act as the folk version of what Charles Mills has called ideal theory as ideology. It is taken for granted that there is some meaningful and noncoincidental overlap between what the speaker thinks states are normatively supposed to do– their “purpose,” in the funny sense in which “purpose” is used in theories of state legitimacy– and what they do do. So if a suspected shoplifter gets shot to death by a cop or a member of a crowd outside a store with broken windows gets beaten by a cop, the wrong on one side is accepted a priori (people shouldn’t steal stuff or break stuff) while the wrong on the other is treated as an open question, and an aberration from the norm.

 

A view like “the purpose of the state is the protection of life, limb, and property,” or “the protection of rights,” or “the pursuit of justice” (where justice has its ordinary traditional meaning that encompasses the protection of rights) leads onlookers to believe that actual states have some basic tendency to do those things, and to give state actors the benefit of the doubt when they kind of seem to be doing those things.

 

This isn’t only an intellectual error, and in important ways it’s not a new one; this isn’t all about ideal theory. (The historian Marc Mulholland has argued that it’s been fundamental to bourgeois liberalism from the beginning, and while I wouldn’t want to sign up for that whole thesis, I think it’s an important one for liberals to think about and worry about.) But the tendency to separate the in-principle from the in-practice in the way the speaker above does is in part an intellectual error, and it’s the error of the ideal theorist.

 

There’s a phrase that gained popularity during the Ferguson protests last year: “The system isn’t broken; it was built this way.” (Ta-Nehisi Coates didn’t coin it, but he did some writing developing the idea in important ways.) The ideal theorist– professional or folk– has a very hard time with that thought. State abuses are always, in a basic sense, seen as aberrations from the norm. Indeed, the norm is seen as the norm: the normativeis normal, and vice-versa.

 

I think that responsible normative social analysis should never assume that the normative is normal. (Theorists and philosophers of a certain stripe can see this as a mistake when it’s expressed in Hegelese: “The real is rational.” But “the normative is normal” isn’t that different a thought.) There can be arguments for thinking that the normative has some tendency to be normal in one domain or another, under some particular or general circumstances. I believe a number of such arguments. But this needs to be the conclusion to an argument, not a background premise.

 

In the American racialized system of policing and imprisonment, the normative is not normal. What the state is “for” empirically has only coincidental overlap with what the state is “for” according to theories of state legitimacy. And the methodological asymmetry according to which the police get a benefit of the normative doubt that protestors do not is unjustified.

 

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Mom of the Year je garant neka Jerry Springer fazon prevara. Majstori su to propagande.

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