Amerika, zemlja velika

[x500]

Kako je dobro bilo pre 100 godina, nema TVa, nema interneta, nema nicega - dok se stvar prenese s kraja na kraj pola panike prodje a druga polovina se lagano i bez velike pompe slegne. Danas svet ceka da doceka ono - "covek ujeo psa" pa posto to ne ide bash svaki dan - onda daj sta dash - tako i ova dva policajca u NY...

iDemo,

 

Ti bas volis onako konzervativno - dobra stara vremena ;) Nemoj zaboraviti da ponekad pola panike prodje, ali ponekad pola se i doda. 

 

Sto se tice vesti, imas pravo, nevikli smo da policija u SAD strelja po kratkom postupku ljude koji su malo tamnije bolje koze. Svi se zgrazavamo kada ISIL-ovci seku ruku za kradju, a kada SAD policajci dave ljude, golim rukama, zbog par paklica cigara, onda je to OK. Doduse, ISIL-ovci naprave nakakvo kvazi sudjenje, Ameri to bolje rade - po kratkom postupku i na licu mesta. 

 

Pozdrav,

X500

[iDemo]

iDemo,

 

Ti bas volis onako konzervativno - dobra stara vremena ;) Nemoj zaboraviti da ponekad pola panike prodje, ali ponekad pola se i doda. 

 

Sto se tice vesti, imas pravo, nevikli smo da policija u SAD strelja po kratkom postupku ljude koji su malo tamnije bolje koze. Svi se zgrazavamo kada ISIL-ovci seku ruku za kradju, a kada SAD policajci dave ljude, golim rukama, zbog par paklica cigara, onda je to OK. Doduse, ISIL-ovci naprave nakakvo kvazi sudjenje, Ameri to bolje rade - po kratkom postupku i na licu mesta. 

 

Pozdrav,

X500

Generalizujesh na osnovu raspolozivih informacija a ne pitash se koga sve i gde (u svetu) sve neko roka sa i bez sudjenja (sa i bez obzira na boju koze i versku pripadnost) - a da ti/mi za to ne znas pa - prema tome - nemas neku veliku muku ni da se 'pozicionirash' s tim u vezi. Dakle, mislim da treba prvo da se pitamo zasto se bash ta i takva informacija danas i ovde s tim entuzijazmom pojavljuje u medijima - pa dalje redom. U Austraiji policija puca bez zazora na sve sto mashe perorezom ili nozem, sto je agresivno i/ili sta god - sasvim nezavisno od boje koze. Puca, ubije ili (smrtno) rani i posle ode na 'tretman' jer znaju jadni pritom i da se potresu. 

Re ISILa - zar mislis da su ovi sto jos operisu po Sudanu mnogo manje agresivni? Ja ne verujem - vidim samo da ih mnogo manje "ima na televiziji"... Pitam se zbog cega jedni imaju ovakav a drugi onakav tretman u medijima.

[Ravanelli]

u kurac. ste ispratili ovo?

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/20/nypd-officers-dead-brooklyn-shooting_n_6360434.html

 

[iDemo]

I sta mislis - koliko je to autenticno? I nas ovde neko da cita pomislio bi da cemo kol'ko sutra da osvanemo ili u Kijevu ili u Prishtini ili vec tako negde u Siriji...

[Ravanelli]

pa jeste autentično. to je instagram ubice. ne znam da li si hteo da me pitaš da li je neko mogao da reaguje na osnovu tog posta i spreči ubistva, ali tu već postoji poprilično logičan odgovor

 

 

inače panduri su popizeli na de blasia

okretali leđa, prete snošenjem odgovornosti...

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/20/new-york-police-union-mayor_n_6361046.html

Edited December 21, 2014 by Ravanelli

[Shan Jan]

Lik se roknuo nakon toga. Deluje kao jos jedan lone wolf koji je samo ovog puta izabrao crnu geto borbu umesto kurana.

[x500]

Generalizujesh na osnovu raspolozivih informacija a ne pitash se koga sve i gde (u svetu) sve neko roka sa i bez sudjenja (sa i bez obzira na boju koze i versku pripadnost) - a da ti/mi za to ne znas pa - prema tome - nemas neku veliku muku ni da se 'pozicionirash' s tim u vezi. Dakle, mislim da treba prvo da se pitamo zasto se bash ta i takva informacija danas i ovde s tim entuzijazmom pojavljuje u medijima - pa dalje redom. U Austraiji policija puca bez zazora na sve sto mashe perorezom ili nozem, sto je agresivno i/ili sta god - sasvim nezavisno od boje koze. Puca, ubije ili (smrtno) rani i posle ode na 'tretman' jer znaju jadni pritom i da se potresu. 

Re ISILa - zar mislis da su ovi sto jos operisu po Sudanu mnogo manje agresivni? Ja ne verujem - vidim samo da ih mnogo manje "ima na televiziji"... Pitam se zbog cega jedni imaju ovakav a drugi onakav tretman u medijima.

iDemo,

 

Cini mi se da si pomesao 2 stvari:

 

1. pitash se koga sve i gde (u svetu) sve neko roka sa i bez sudjenja

 

Da, svet je vrlo nepravedno mesto za zivot. Postoji razlika u tome ko radi ono sto radi. U slucaju SAD, koji su postali samoproklamovana savest sveta i koji se ponasaju kao margarin, svako unutrasnje desavanje ima uticaja na ceo svet. Pritom svet nema mogucnost da diretkno utice na vlast u SAD.

 

Juce oko 5:30PM u Crkvi Hristovog Groba u Jerusalimu su na jednom kraju Jermeni su pevali svoju molitvu, a na drugom kraju, u jednoj od nisa su katolici svirali na orguljama. Malo bucno i naizgled haoticno, ali svako ostvaruje svoje pravo bez da uskracuje pravo na molitvu onom drugom. Na izlazu iz crkve se nalazi Omerova dzamija sa cijeg minareta hodza poziva svoje vernike na molitvu. Tek tada i na tom mestu mozes da vidis kakve su pozitivne posledice Omerove mudre odluke, iz 637 godine, da se ne moli unutar crkve. 

 

Ovde dolazimo do drugog dela - velika moc nosi sobom i veliku odgovornost. SAD ima ogromnu silu, vojsku i policiju, i koristi je vrlo opusteno. Rokaj, cepaj, ubij, seri po ljudima, davi, ponizavaj tj. radi sta hoces, kako hoce i koliko hoces. Samo se malo ko pita sta cemo raditi sa posledicama losih, kratkovidih, odluka.

 

U gornjem primeru, vezano za Jerusalim, mi imamo pozitivne posledice koje su proistekle iz promisljene odluke Kalifa Omara. Cak i danas, posle 13 vekova, ulazi u crkvu i u dzamiju se nalaze na sam 50 metara, i svako moze da se moli Bogu na svoj nacin.

 

Onda ne trebamo da se cudimo sto ima, i nazalost bice ih jos vise, losih posledica pogresnih odluka. Ubistvo policajaca u NY je direktna posledica te i takve pogresne politike.

 

Pozdrav,

X500

Edited December 21, 2014 by x500

[iDemo]

U slucaju SAD, koji su postali samoproklamovana savest sveta i koji se ponasaju kao margarin, svako unutrasnje desavanje ima uticaja na ceo svet. Pritom svet nema mogucnost da diretkno utice na vlast u SAD.

Jasno.

[iDemo]

 

Florida Cop Shot, Killed in Tarpon Springs Shooting

A police officer was shot and killed early Sunday morning in Florida, officials said. The Pinellas County Sheriff's office said the shooting occurred at around 3 a.m. EST in Tarpon Springs, about 30 miles from Tampa, Florida. The sheriff's office said the suspect is in custody but did not provide further details on a possible motive.

 

The shooting came hours after a gunman shot and killed two police officers in Brooklyn before taking his own life. Investigators in New York believe the attacker boasted on social media about a plan to target cops, possibly out of revenge for the deaths of two unarmed black men who died in confrontations with police.

 

— Cassandra Vinograd

 

First published December 22nd 2014, 12:53 am

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-cop-shot-killed-tarpon-springs-shooting-n272566

[Eraserhead]

Sto se tice vesti, imas pravo, nevikli smo da policija u SAD strelja po kratkom postupku ljude koji su malo tamnije bolje koze.

Problem rasizma u Americi nije vise tako jednodimenzionalan. Poolicija ne puca u crnce zato sto ne voli crnce. Sa jedne strane imas policiju koja ima previse ovlascenja, a sa druge strane imas to da su crnci i dalje u podredjenom polozaju kada govorimo o ekonomskoj jednakosti. tako da oni koji su izlozeni potencijalnoj policijskoj brutalnosti su vecim delom crnci.

[x500]

Problem rasizma u Americi nije vise tako jednodimenzionalan. Poolicija ne puca u crnce zato sto ne voli crnce. Sa jedne strane imas policiju koja ima previse ovlascenja, a sa druge strane imas to da su crnci i dalje u podredjenom polozaju kada govorimo o ekonomskoj jednakosti. tako da oni koji su izlozeni potencijalnoj policijskoj brutalnosti su vecim delom crnci.

Eraser,

U Indiji kroz razne vladine programe ljudi sa sela ili iz nizih kasta (siromasni) imaju mogucnost da se skoluju. To povlaci direktno da ce imati bolji posao, ali i da ce moci da pomognu sebi i svojim porodicama. Recept je vrlo jednostavan - obrazovanje daje sansu za prosperitet.

 

Zamisli da SAD napravi nesto slicno, i da pomogne mladim ljudima, tamnije boje, da se skoluju. Za pocetak da se dodaju pare skolama u siromaskim delovima gradova, u kojima zive afro-amrikanci, hispano-amerikanci i sl. Bas zato sto u takvim delovima gradova ima vise kriminala nego na drugim mestima, lokalna policija treba da dobije bolju obuku i najbolje kadrove. 

 

U tom slucaju, onaj klinac od 12 godina koji je vitlao igrackom u parku bi imao drugacije uzore od crnackih bandi sa periferije. On je oponasao one koji su "uspeli" u njegovom okruzenju i to samo zato sto drugih uzora nema. Sva njegova krivica je bila u tome sto se rodio na pogresnom mestu sa pogresnom bojom koze. 

 

U tome lezi moja kritika, predsednik SAD, kao prva figura vlasti, ima preca posla od resavanja problema u svojoj kuci. Vec nedeljama se pojavljuju vesti o prekomernoj upotrebi sile od strane policije. Kako drzava reaguje:

- koristi vise sile - izvodi vojsku na ulice (1:10 je bio odnos snaga u Fergusonu)

- poziva se na legalizam - u pravnom sistemu koji je zasnovan na presedanima ko ce imati hrabrosti da kaze kako je policajac u krivu kada je streljao nekoga

Cime se danas bavi predsednik, Krimom (za koji nema pojma gde se nalazi) i Sony hakerskim napadom. Pa neka taj Sony ostavi Japanskom caru, koji i  tako nema sta da radi.

 

U takvim uslovima, sasvim logicno, imas neku budalu koja ce da uzme pravdu u svoje ruke i upuca policajce u kolima. Sta je sledece - da policajci upucaju nekoga, tamnije koze, ko im prilazi autu i drzi ruku u dzepu?

 

Pozdrav,

X500

 

PS: Zasto sam pominjao Kalifa Omara? Zato sto je pre vise od 1000 godina doneo pametnu odluku da se ne pomoli u Crkvi Hrstivog Groba. Na drugoj strani, SAD administracija donosi prepodne odluke koje im/nam se obijaju o glavu vec pre zalaska sunca. Analiticari, savetnici, experti i na kraju - tropa.

Edited December 21, 2014 by x500

[hazard]

 

Zamisli da SAD napravi nesto slicno, i da pomogne mladim ljudima, tamnije boje, da se skoluju. Za pocetak da se dodaju pare skolama u siromaskim delovima gradova, u kojima zive afro-amrikanci, hispano-amerikanci i sl. Bas zato sto u takvim delovima gradova ima vise kriminala nego na drugim mestima, lokalna policija treba da dobije bolju obuku i najbolje kadrove. 

 

Ti nisi cuo za "affirmative action"? Takve stvari se i rade u SAD.

Edited December 21, 2014 by hazard

[x500]

Ti nisi cuo za "affirmative action"? Takve stvari se i rade u SAD.

Hazard,

Cuo sam i jako su uspesne. Svi beze iz drzavnih skola u losijim delovima gradova kao Karl Lujis na Olimpijadi 84. u LA. 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics_of_incarcerated_African-American_males

 

Ako se nastavi ovaj trend, mogu slobodno da zatvore skole i da ih pretvore u zatvore.

 

Pozdrav,

X500

 

PS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYi8K6R3ZVg

[bigvlada]

Three Members of Congress Just Reignited the Cold War While No One Was Looking

Written by Dennis J. Kucinich
Tuesday December 16, 2014


Late Thursday night, the House of Representatives unanimously passed a far-reaching Russia sanctions bill, a hydra-headed incubator of poisonous conflict. The second provocative anti-Russian legislation in a week, it further polarizes our relations with Russia, helping to cement a Russia-China alliance against Western hegemony, and undermines long-term America’s financial and physical security by handing the national treasury over to war profiteers.

Here’s how the House’s touted “unanimity” was achieved: Under a parliamentary motion termed “unanimous consent,” legislative rules can be suspended and any bill can be called up. If any member of Congress objects, the motion is blocked and the bill dies.

At 10:23:54 p.m. on Thursday, a member rose to ask “unanimous consent” for four committees to be relieved of a Russia sanctions bill. At this point the motion, and the legislation, could have been blocked by a single member who would say “I object.” No one objected, because no one was watching for last-minute bills to be slipped through.

Most of the House and the media had emptied out of the chambers after passage of the $1.1 trillion government spending package.

The Congressional Record will show only three of 425 members were present on the floor to consider the sanctions bill. Two of the three feigned objection, creating the legislative equivalent of a ‘time out.’ They entered a few words of support, withdrew their “objections” and the clock resumed.

According to the clerk’s records, once the bill was considered under unanimous consent, it was passed, at 10:23:55 p.m., without objection, in one recorded, time-stamped second, unanimously.

Then the House adjourned.

I discovered, in my 16 years in Congress, that many members seldom read the legislation on which they vote. On Oct. 24, 2001, House committees spent long hours debating the Patriot Act. At the last minute, the old bill was swapped out for a version with draconian provisions. I voted against that version of the Patriot Act, because I read it. The legislative process requires attention.

Legislation brought before Congress under “unanimous consent” is not read by most members simply because copies of the bill are generally not available. During the closing sessions of Congress I would often camp out in the House chamber, near the clerk’s desk, prepared to say “I object” when something of consequence appeared out of the blue. Dec. 11, 2014, is one of the few times I regret not being in Congress to have the ability to oversee the process.

The Russia Sanctions bill that passed “unanimously,” with no scheduled debate, at 10:23:55 p.m. on Dec. 11, 2014, includes:

1. Sanctions of Russia’s energy industry, including Rosoboronexport and Gazprom.

2. Sanctions of Russia’s defense industry, with respect to arms sales to Syria.

3. Broad sanctions on Russians’ banking and investments.

4. Provisions for privatization of Ukrainian infrastructure, electricity, oil, gas and renewables, with the help of the World Bank and USAID.

5. Fifty million dollars to assist in a corporate takeover of Ukraine’s oil and gas sectors.

6. Three hundred and fifty million dollars for military assistance to Ukraine, including anti-tank, anti-armor, optical, and guidance and control equipment, as well as drones.

7. Thirty million dollars for an intensive radio, television and Internet propaganda campaign throughout the countries of the former Soviet Union.

8. Twenty million dollars for “democratic organizing” in Ukraine.

9. Sixty million dollars, spent through groups like the National Endowment for Democracy, “to improve democratic governance, and transparency, accountability [and] rule of law” in Russia. What brilliant hyperbole to pass such a provision the same week the Senate’s CIA torture report was released.

10. An unverified declaration that Russia has violated the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, is a nuclear “threat to the United States” and should be held “accountable.”

11. A path for the U.S. withdrawal from the INF Treaty, which went into force in 1988. The implications of this are immense. An entire series of arms agreements are at risk of unraveling. It may not be long before NATO pushes its newest client state, Ukraine, to abrogate the Non-Proliferation Treaty, which Ukraine signed when it gave up its nuclear weapons, and establish a renewed nuclear missile capability, 300 miles from Moscow.

12. A demand that Russia verifiably dismantle “any ground launched cruise missiles or ballistic missiles with a range of between 500 and 5,500 kilometers ...”—i.e., 300 and 3,300 miles.

Read the legislation, which Congress apparently didn’t.

As reported on GlobalSecurity.org, earlier that same day in Kiev, the Ukrainian parliament approved a security plan that will:

1. Declare that Ukraine should become a “military state.”

2. Reallocate more of its approved 2014 budget for military purposes.

3. Put all military operating units on alert.

4. Mobilize military and national guard units.

5. Increase military spending in Ukraine from 1 percent of GDP to 5 percent, increasing military spending by $3 billion over the next few years.

6. Join NATO and switch to NATO military standards.

Under the guise of democratizing, the West stripped Ukraine of its sovereignty with a U.S.-backed coup, employed it as a foil to advance NATO to the Russian border and reignited the Cold War, complete with another nuclear showdown.

The people of Ukraine will be less free, as their country becomes a “military state,” goes into hock to international banks, faces structural readjustments, privatization of its public assets, decline of social services, higher prices and an even more severe decline in its standard of living.

In its dealings with the European Union, Ukraine could not even get concessions for its citizens to find work throughout Europe. The West does not care about Ukraine, or its people, except for using them to seize a strategic advantage against Russia in the geopolitical game of nations.

Once, with the help of the West, Ukraine fully weighs in as a “military state” and joins the NATO gun club, its annual defense budget will be around $3 billion, compared with the current defense budget of Russia, which is over $70 billion.

Each Western incitement creates a Russian response, which is then given as further proof that the West must prepare for the very conflict it has created, war as a self-fulfilling prophecy.

That the recent Russia sanctions bill was advanced, “unanimously,” without debate in the House, portends that our nation is sleepwalking through the graveyards of history, toward an abyss where controlling factors reside in the realm of chance, what Thomas Hardy termed “crass casualty.” Such are the perils of unanimity.

 

http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/december/16/three-members-of-congress-just-reignited-the-cold-war-while-no-one-was-looking/

 

4 i 5, Kako se osećaju poreski obveznici nakon što je vlada odlučila da daje novac privatnicima kako bi otkupili deo ukrajinske privrede? Nakon 4 i 5 , slede...7,8 i 9. Neka se spremi Kazahstan. 

 

7,8 i 9 kao da su prepisani iz Civilizacije, upotreba specijalnih jedinica tipa TV Evangelist i kombo advokata i korporacija kako bi urušili ekonomiju ciljane zemlje i zatim kupili privredu za tepsiju ribe. 

 

10 i 12 - očigledno je da pored Moskve i u Vašingtonu ima ludaka koji bi da otpočnu termonuklearni rat. 

 

Uzgred, kako nazvati državu koja je postavila neonacistu za šefa policije a zatim planira da se proglasi "vojnom državom"? Kvekerskom?

[x500]

Ova prica oko Sony napada postaje sve smesnija.

 

Prvo je SAD optuzila S.Koreju da je izvela napad. Onda su SK predlozili zajednicku istragu. SAD to odbile (sta ima da se istrazuje ono sto su oni vec istrazili) i Obama je u stilu psiholabuda^TM poceo da peni. 

Edited December 23, 2014 by x500