Amerika, zemlja velika

[malkin]

Marco Rubio @marcorubio · 6 hours ago

 

Those who served us in aftermath of 9/11 deserve our thanks not one sided partisan Senate report that now places American lives in danger.

 

Marco Rubio @marcorubio · 21 hours ago

 

Just moments ago the U.S. Senate passed our bill imposing sanctions against human rights violators working for @NicolasMaduro in #Venezuela

znam koga folouješ na tnjiteru :D Edited December 9, 2014 by malkin

[iDemo]

ma naravno da neće ovo ništa da promeni nego mi interesantno kako se konstruiše ova rečenica sa "maxiumum" a ne npr "up to" if you know what i mean

Proslo je to kroz nekolike™ ruke tako da je sigurno da je "pravi" izbor reci... 

[Gandalf]

znam koga folouješ na tnjiteru :D

Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald · 5 hours ago

One of the best things @sullydish ever found: a Gestapo manual describing their torture tactics, calling them "EITs" http://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2007/05/-versch-auml-rfte-vernehmung/228158/

Edited December 9, 2014 by Gandalf

[iDemo]

Nego, glavno pitanje je sta se to sada dogadja a da mu/cemu/sta treba ovakva medijska kampanja (CIA report bla, bla, bla..) da ga (cega/sta) pokrije.

Mozda ce nesto nekad pisati na http://www.projectcensored.org/ al' se ni toga ne treba drzati k'o Svetog pisma, naravno. 

[Zaz_pi]

Palo je jer su cene kuca pale, ali je veci problem to sto se srednja klasa vrlo sporo oporavlja, a to se ni ne vidi u ciframa o niskoj nezaposlenosti itd.

 

Pad od skoro 50% u bogatstvu srednje klase da vidimo sta se desava sa cenama kuca u SAD poslednjih godina:

 

 

Cene kuca rastu vec par godina, u nominalnim vrdnostima cak nisu daleko od vrha balona. Sa druge strane bogatstvo srednje klase SAD pada i 2013. Uzgred, ako se malo bolje pogledaju grafikoni vidi se da su SAD i dalje u balonu cene nekretnina.

Ne, u brojevima o nezaposlenostima se krije jedan od odgvora za takvo stanje. Samo sto ti nemas veze o tome jer citas propagandu, kao i gomila ostalih gradjana SAD i sveta, pa ne vidis sta se desava iza povrsine tzv. dobrih brojeva o zaposlenosti. Evo ti mislis da su podaci za novembar dobri jer je vise zaposleno od ocekivanog ali ja tvrdim da to uopste nije tako dobro kada se zagrebe povrsina, sa stanovista moguceg stvaranja bogatstva, sa stanovista pukog prezivljavanja verovatno jeste.

Jos nesto:

 

Situacija u SAD ekonomiji nije nimalo ruzicasta iako pokusavaju svi silama da prikazu da je drugacije.

[iDemo]

"U proseku", ne?

[Eraserhead]

Pad od skoro 50% u bogatstvu srednje klase da vidimo sta se desava sa cenama kuca u SAD poslednjih godina:

 

 

Cene kuca rastu vec par godina, u nominalnim vrdnostima cak nisu daleko od vrha balona. Sa druge strane bogatstvo srednje klase SAD pada i 2013. Uzgred, ako se malo bolje pogledaju grafikoni vidi se da su SAD i dalje u balonu cene nekretnina.

Ne, u brojevima o nezaposlenostima se krije jedan od odgvora za takvo stanje. Samo sto ti nemas veze o tome jer citas propagandu, kao i gomila ostalih gradjana SAD i sveta, pa ne vidis sta se desava iza povrsine tzv. dobrih brojeva o zaposlenosti. Evo ti mislis da su podaci za novembar dobri jer je vise zaposleno od ocekivanog ali ja tvrdim da to uopste nije tako dobro kada se zagrebe povrsina, sa stanovista moguceg stvaranja bogatstva, sa stanovista pukog prezivljavanja verovatno jeste.

Jos nesto:

 

Situacija u SAD ekonomiji nije nimalo ruzicasta iako pokusavaju svi silama da prikazu da je drugacije.

 

 

 

 

[Zaz_pi]

Da li si jedan od ljudi iz "Americkog sna"?

 

 

edit:

Ah, da ne zaboravim, kako su SAD bogate

 

 

Ovako svaki kreten moze da bude bogat, pa dokle traje.

Edited December 9, 2014 by Zaz_pi

[Eraserhead]

Da li si jedan od ljudi iz "Americkog sna"?

 

 

edit:

Ah, da ne zaboravim, kako su SAD bogate

 

 

Ovako svaki kreten moze da bude bogat, pa dokle traje.

 

 

 

[Zaz_pi]

Znaci ne verujes u podatke SAD vlade?! Mozda ne umes da shvatis sta je na njima pa je to problem?

[Eraserhead]

Jedino sto se na ovo sve moze reci je - sramno.

 

1. Enhanced interrogation "not an effective" way to gather intelligence

The report's first conclusion states the CIA's use of so-called "enhanced interrogation techniques" was not effective and that multiple detainees who were subjected to the techniques "fabricated information, resulting in faulty intelligence."

 

2. Interrogations by the CIA were "brutal and far worse" than the CIA represented

The report details "physically harmful" instances of interrogation, including waterboarding that left one detainee "completely unresponsive, with bubbles rising through his open, full mouth." The report also alleges instances of sleep deprivation, slaps and "slamming detainees against the wall."

 

3. The CIA reportedly misled the Department of Justice on multiple occasions

The Department of Justice relied on information from the CIA outlining the conditions of detainees and the effectiveness of the techniques involved. The department did not conduct an independent verification of the information. When the CIA later determined the information was incorrect, it rarely informed the department, the report contends.

 

4. At least 39 detainees were reportedly subjected to "enhanced interrogation techniques"

Among at least 119 individuals detained by the CIA, at least 39 were reportedly subjected "enhanced interrogation techniques." The report also concludes at least 26 were wrongfully held and "did not meet the detention standard in the September 2001 Memorandum of Notification," including an "intellectually challenged man."

 

5. A list of techniques for possible use by the CIA included "use of insects" and "mock burial"

The CIA acquired a list of twelve SERE (Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape) techniques, derived from the U.S. military. Among those were waterboarding as well as the use of insects, mock burials and the use of diapers.

 

6. President George W. Bush was reportedly not briefed until April 2006

The report suggests the enhanced interrogation techniques were not shared with the President until April 2006, when the President "expressed discomfort" at an image of a detainee "chained to the ceiling, clothed in a diaper, and forced to go the bathroom on himself."

 

7. Abu Zubayah reportedly cried, begged, pleaded and whimpered

Abu Zubayah, a Saudi Arabian man who was accused of being a senior lieutenant in al Qaeda, reportedly continued to deny that he had any "additional information on current threats to, or operatives in, the United States."

 

8. Officials at CIA headquarters were at odds with personnel conducting the interrogations

In separate instances, the interrogators for al Qaeda suspects Ramzi bin al-Shibh and Ab al-Rahim al-Nashiri concluded those suspects were cooperating and telling what they knew. Officials at CIA headquarters disagreed, contending that the men must have more information about pending terror plots, and ordered the interrogators to apply harsh interrogation tactics. After the harsh tactics were used, the men provided no new information about plots, according to the report.

 

9. Then-CIA Director Michael Hayden allegedly provided misleading information to the Senate Intelligence Committee

The report accuses then-CIA Director Michael Hayden of repeatedly providing the Senate Intelligence Committee with inaccurate and misleading information on major elements of the program, from the effectiveness of waterboarding to the number of detainees the agency was holding, the report concludes.

 

10. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed "consistently wavers"

The CIA used enhanced interrogation techniques against Khalid Sheikh Mohammed but remained concerned about the veracity of the information he provided, noting he "consistently wavers" and his information "lack sufficient detail [to be] actionable intelligence."

 

 

 

 

Mediji ovde izgleda imaju poteskoca da prevale rec torture preko usana. 

U svakom slucaju bice zanimljivo videti sta ce se ovde dalje dogadjati, ali bojim se da ce da padne neka mid-level glava u CIA i da ce sve ostalo ostati isto.

Edited December 10, 2014 by Eraserhead

[pacey defender]

S tim u vezi....

 

The man who did the most to fight CIA torture is still in prison

http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/9/7362757/the-man-who-fought-cia-torture-is-still-in-prison-john-kiriakou 

[malkin]

jedina CIA glava koja će pasti je Kiriakuova. vrlo rano je krenulo skretanje priče u smeru pitanja da li je mučenje uspešno ili ne (kao da bi bilo opravdano kad bi bilo uspešno), a tu imamo debatu™ i podeljena mišljenja i istina je negde na sredini. viknuće neko danas-sutra 'Putin' ili 'ISIS' i ode mučenje iz fokusa medija. uostalom, reko precednik da mora da se gleda napred, ništa suočavanje sa prošlošću. (što neko reče, we rectally fed some folks.)

[Roger Sanchez]

Obama je realno u škripcu koji si je sam stvorio - jednog dana i onaj dio Bushovog war on terrora koji je on nastavio i proširio, drone assassinations, bit će dio nekog izvještaja, samo puno žešće pošpricanog krvlju.

 

S druge strane, desi li se novi veliki napad, objavu ovog izvještaja i Barryjeve kritike torture sigurno će GOP društveno-medijska dominacija proglasiti za još jednu izdaju from the top.

Edited December 10, 2014 by Roger Sanchez

[Dr Arslanagić]

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