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[Weenie Pooh]

Ne samo što nije spoiler nego IMO nije ni istina... Jaime može da priča (i sanja) šta hoće, ali ubio je Aerysa da bi ga primili u winning team. Prilično sam siguran da ga je bolelo dupe šta će biti sa property values ako ovaj stvarno uspe da zapali grad...

[Calavera]

Ja samo da ubacim vest da su poceli sa castingom za drugu sezonu:

[bRIENNE TARTH] FEMALE. Age: 20s. A skilled warrior in service to Renly Baratheon. Larger and stronger than most men, we first meet Brienne when she wins a tournament, defeating the famed Loras Tyrell. Big-boned and plain faced, she has an awkward personality, but is also honest and loyal. She is derisively known as “Brienne the Beauty”… RECURRING. (Season Two: 6 episodes/Season Appearances: Multiple Season) Must be a MINIMUM of 5’10″. Do NOT submit actresses that look like models. We are looking for a big, WARRIOR-TYPE woman that’s more MANLY than womanly.

[MELISANDRE] Age: 25-35. A red priestess from Asshai, a mysterious region in the far east, Melisandre is an influential counselor (and eventual lover) of Stannis Baratheon. She possesses prophetic powers and controls dark forces. Melisandre is highly sensual and seductive and well aware of her sexual command over men. She means to impose her religion on the world by all means necessary. She is extremely dangerous to any who dare stand in her way. Recurring. (Season Two: 5-6 episodes/Season Appearances: Multiple Seasons) *Nudity required*

Mozete nastaviti sa book talkom. ^_^

[kim_philby]

Ne samo što nije spoiler nego IMO nije ni istina... Jaime može da priča (i sanja) šta hoće, ali ubio je Aerysa da bi ga primili u winning team. Prilično sam siguran da ga je bolelo dupe šta će biti sa property values ako ovaj stvarno uspe da zapali grad...

pa dobro nas drugi omiljeni lanister ipak dozivi 1 transformaciju kako radnja odmice.

[Weenie Pooh]

Da, ali sigurno ne zbog introspekcije Kingslayinga nego zbog, khm, khm, izvesnog tragičnog gubitka. Da ne spoilerišemo.Serija neće imati taj luksuz prelaska koju je knjiga imala, kad smo počeli da dobijamo Jaime perspektivu pa je iz njegovog ugla odjednom krenuo da deluje dosta pristojnije. Ovde ga gledamo od starta, i njega i Cersei, videćemo da li će biti kasnijih transformacija i u kojoj meri...

[Calavera]

Ove nedelje su bas skrti na privjuima, jedino ako ih nema vise ili ako ne nameravaju da ih daju i za 7. epizodu. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMQb7TQ4Y-A&feature=channel_video_titlehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR-Kga-XDZc

[Fins fleet]

Ove nedelje su bas skrti na privjuima, jedino ako ih nema vise ili ako ne nameravaju da ih daju i za 7. epizodu.

A, err, zar nije logicno da za 7. daju sledece nedelje?

[Weenie Pooh]

Pa ne, bilo je reči da će 6. i 7. ići istog dana, jedna za drugom. Ne sećam se zašto...

[porucnik vasic]

Nisam se samo tebi ni obracao, ako cemo pravo. Protiv pljuvanja nemam nista dok se ne posveti ceo post tome, a kad se zaredja nekoliko takvih postova, na topicu se stvori ta 1 negativna atmosfera. Ako bi neko sa strane hteo da vidi o cemu mi ovde piskaramo, stekao bi utisak da serija ne valja nista.

Серија је вероватно једна од најбољих икада снимљених, тако да твој адолесцентни страх је потпуно неутемељен. Ово што глумци из себе извлаче је невероватно.

Tvoje je pravo da pljuješ šta god hoćeš, ali ovo sa Renlijem i Lorasom stvarno si zapeo bezveze. Ja pre ove epizode nisam bukvalno nijednom čuo da je neko čitao knjigu a propustio da su njih dvojica gej. Recimo da je 90% čitalaca to uhvatilo, a sad vas 10% kojima je serija otvorila oči odjednom kukate kako to nije dobro urađeno, previše su mršave i suptilne indicije... Umesto da lepo priznate da vam smeta što je scena u seriji tako eksplicitna. Ili da ste se i sami ložili na Cvetka dok ste mislili da je strejt, pa vam je sad problem :P

Видиш Вини, ја те фан форуме читам од 2005 када сам књиге први пут прочитао и тај твој проценат је потпуно измишљен. Мени као прикривеном хомосексуалцу, какви су јелте сви они који исту наклоност не сматрају 'нормалном', смета што Лорас у књизи није никакав сплектарош, већ самозаљубљени клинац, што Ренли није никаква плачипичка, која кука што га Роберт позива у лов, што Серси није никада плакала за децом коју је занела са већ поменутим Робертом, већ их је убијала као бубашвабе, што за тим нема никакве потребе, јер су књиге сами по себи довољно филмичне и ликови јако богати и дубоки. То је разлог моје пизме, ако можеш да разумеш.

decaci, ja sam knjige citala pre 6-8 godina i ne secam se mnogo cega, ali su mi ostale neke glavne reference, izmedju ostalog da je the knight of flowers gej. ne znam sad da vam kazem sta me je tacno navelo da to mislim, niti se secam ovih detalja iz linka. grr je vrlo oprezan i pazljivo bira teme i scene koje bi se dopale vecini fanova. neka me isprave neki pravoverni soif zaludjenici, ali bih rekla da su dobar deo fanova muskarci kojima vise prijaju opisi good old girl on girl action nego oralni seks vitez na plemica sve sa srkanjem kao iz poslednje epizode. onda je jasno sto su lezbejske scene vrlo eksplicitne dok je gej odnos zamaskiran. grr stil je blago pornicarski. kad se nadju dve zene same na duze vreme, bice neke erotske tenzije osim ako jedna od njih nije matora dadilja. uz to, grr ne ume da izgradi zenske likove. zene su generalno ili glupe ili zle ili do zla boga dosadne i aseksualne. arya je izuzetak, ali ona je vrlo specijalna i manje 'zenstvena'. deneris je takodje izuzetak, ali opet vrlo specifican i tragican. muski likovi su daleko kompleksniji. mozda je razlog delimicno sto je westeros vrlo musko drustvo, ali mislim da martin ima sistematski problem sa zenskim likovima. mislim da ce u seriji probati da malo izbalansiraju likove sto se meni za sad svidja. zato je cercei dobila vise ljudskosti, a loras eksplicitnog ljubavnika. gledacemo dovoljno girl on girl seksa, u to ne sumnjam, a vi nemojte brinuti...

Одавно си ти читала романе, те можда није лоше да обновиш градиво. Женски ликови уопште нису једнодимензионални, нити су глупи, нити асексуални. Уз Џона и Тириона су управо женски ликови централни носиоци радње, да не говоримо о томе да је Робова сестра узрок готово целог романа. Твоје читање Вестероса као мушког друштва је у најбољој традицији борбеног феминизма који је ипак некако passe.

@goofs, Petović: Starkovi su spaljeni kad su došli kod ludog kralja da se žale zato što je Rhaegar oteo Lyannu. Tako da OK, možda i ne bi bilo rata da ovaj nije tako reagovao, ali ipak je ta navodna otmica u korenu svega.(Ovo spaljivanje koje sam pomeno je nešto drugo, samo kraljeva neostvarena ideja da spali ceo grad kad je čuo da je rat izgubljen.)

Баш тако.

[Calavera]

Серија је вероватно једна од најбољих икада снимљених, тако да твој адолесцентни страх је потпуно неутемељен. Ово што глумци из себе извлаче је невероватно.

Rekoh vec, kad pocnete da pisete samo o onome sto vam se nije svidelo, ja izvucem utisak da vam se serija ne dopada.Plus, to sto vi zamerate seriji uglavnom moze lako da se objasni, pa... :P

[Weenie Pooh]

Видиш Вини, ја те фан форуме читам од 2005 када сам књиге први пут прочитао и тај твој проценат је потпуно измишљен. Мени као прикривеном хомосексуалцу, какви су јелте сви они који исту наклоност не сматрају 'нормалном', смета што Лорас у књизи није никакав сплектарош, већ самозаљубљени клинац, што Ренли није никаква плачипичка, која кука што га Роберт позива у лов, што Серси није никада плакала за децом коју је занела са већ поменутим Робертом, већ их је убијала као бубашвабе, што за тим нема никакве потребе, јер су књиге сами по себи довољно филмичне и ликови јако богати и дубоки. То је разлог моје пизме, ако можеш да разумеш.

Da si tako i napisao, možda bi i razumeo. Ali ti si se uhvatio za to da Loras nije peder, uz objašnjenje da to u knjigama nije dovoljno očigledno, što je spektakularno netačna tvrdnja :D Ako ti smetaju stvarna odstupanja od knjige, to je već osnovanija pritužba, mada ipak sitničava. Šta su Renly i Loras pričali nama u knjigama jednostavno nije prikazano - zna se iz kasnijeg razvoja događaja da je Renlija cela Lorasova porodica gurala u njegovom pokušaju da uzme presto, znači uopšte nije far-fetched da su njih dvojica odavno to planirala.Da li je Renly plačipička takođe nemamo pojma. Čovek je ostao zapamćen po onoj breskvi koju je ponudio bratu tokom pregovora, što je i Stannisa i mene bacilo u rebus... malo ko bi mogao s nekom pouzdanošću da tvrdi šta je tom čoveku u glavi.Cercei i njena prva deca je toliko sitan detalj da nemam reči. Možda je lagala Catelyn kad joj je to pričala, scene u knjizi nema. Šta bi hteo da joj kaže, kako je zadavila malog čim je videla da ima Robertovu boju kose? <_<Knjige jesu filmične do izvesne mere, ali su takođe i dosta nezgodne za adaptaciju. Sve se priča iz prvog lica, toliko toga se iznosi u unutrašnjim monolozima koji su za ekran neizvodljivi da u seriji mora svašta da se dodaje i oduzima na milion mesta. Nema smisla žaliti se na to što prave izmene, ali slobodno se žali ako ti te izmene nemaju smisla. Većina do sad viđenih ga po meni ima.

[Fins fleet]

Knjige jesu filmične do izvesne mere, ali su takođe i dosta nezgodne za adaptaciju. Sve se priča iz prvog lica, toliko toga se iznosi u unutrašnjim monolozima koji su za ekran neizvodljivi da u seriji mora svašta da se dodaje i oduzima na milion mesta. Nema smisla žaliti se na to što prave izmene, ali slobodno se žali ako ti te izmene nemaju smisla. Većina do sad viđenih ga po meni ima.

Vise jedan. Dodao bih jos da bih verovatno vise uzivao u seriji da nisam citao knjige. Video bih seriju sa fenomenalnom glumom i pricom, ne zna se sta je bolje. Ovako, pricu znam pa mi taj detalj nije toliko bitan, a umesto toga dok gledam seriju stalno previrem po glavi sta je drugacije od knjige, da li je trebalo ubaciti ovo ili nije i sta su sve izostavili, opravdano ili ne. Znam da ne bi trebalo to da radim i da mi ubija dozivljaj, ali jace je od mene. Ali i pored svega toga, nije mi nimalo dosadno dok gledam seriju, naprotiv, uspevam se itekako uziveti. I zato respect za ekipu.Inace, narucio sam DWD. Stize izmedju 5. i 15. avgusta. Jedva cekam. :)

[porucnik vasic]

Da si tako i napisao, možda bi i razumeo. Ali ti si se uhvatio za to da Loras nije peder, uz objašnjenje da to u knjigama nije dovoljno očigledno, što je spektakularno netačna tvrdnja :D Ako ti smetaju stvarna odstupanja od knjige, to je već osnovanija pritužba, mada ipak sitničava. Šta su Renly i Loras pričali nama u knjigama jednostavno nije prikazano - zna se iz kasnijeg razvoja događaja da je Renlija cela Lorasova porodica gurala u njegovom pokušaju da uzme presto, znači uopšte nije far-fetched da su njih dvojica odavno to planirala.Da li je Renly plačipička takođe nemamo pojma. Čovek je ostao zapamćen po onoj breskvi koju je ponudio bratu tokom pregovora, što je i Stannisa i mene bacilo u rebus... malo ko bi mogao s nekom pouzdanošću da tvrdi šta je tom čoveku u glavi.Cercei i njena prva deca je toliko sitan detalj da nemam reči. Možda je lagala Catelyn kad joj je to pričala, scene u knjizi nema. Šta bi hteo da joj kaže, kako je zadavila malog čim je videla da ima Robertovu boju kose? <_<

Начин на који у књизи приказано ренли није имао никаквих планова, Тарели су утчали са кћерком, а не сином јер им је то омогућавало пресудан утицај на краљевство, који нису имали под Робертом.Што се Серси и деце тиче није нимало ситан детаљ, јер показује да је отпочеткањиховог брака њена изопачена љубав према брату оно што је држи. Од свих мушкараца икада она је желела Џејмија и можда Рехагера.

[Calavera]

GRRM o Plesu

Kong is dead. That is to say, A DANCE WITH DRAGONS is complete, and moving inexorably towards its July 12 publication date. Yes, I know. Old news. I've announced that before. And since finally completing A DANCE WITH DRAGONS some weeks ago, and announcing it here, I have been working on... drum roll, please... A DANCE WITH DRAGONS! That's the way it goes with books. You finish, and breathe a sigh of relief... and then you get back to work. There's always more to be done. Your editor reads it and gives you notes. You make revisions, corrections. A copyeditor goes over the text, finds errors, points out contradictions and inconsistencies, raises queries. You fix some, stet others. Friends and fans gulp down the book, and find mistakes your editors, copyeditors, and proofreaders all missed. You fix those too, as time allows. Then there's the appendix to prepare. And then the appendix needs to be edited, proofread, corrected... and on and on it goes...But now even that is behind me. Copyediting, appendix, proofs, corrections, all that stuff. The book tour has been planned (a few details yet to be worked out), the marketing plans are in place... and I can finally say that Kong is not just merely dead, but really most sincerely dead.Now that the dust is settling at last, I thought I'd take a deep breath and look back at what a long strange trip this has been. If the process interests you, read on. But beware -- past this point, there may be some SPOILERS lurking amidst my discussion. Read on at your own peril.First, some numbers. The final draft of A DANCE WITH DRAGONS came in at 1510 manuscript pages (which count does not include acknowledgments, dedication, or appendix). I write with WordStar on a DOS machine, so that number is my own page count. When my editors at Bantam translated my WordStar files to Word, the page count expanded to 1540 pages, but I prefer to use my own counts, for the sake of consistency. At 1510 pages, A DANCE WITH DRAGONS come in just slightly shorter than A STORM OF SWORDS, which was 1521 pages in manuscript, with the same software, settings, and margins. At one point late in the process DANCE was considerably longer. The page count had gone beyond 1600 and was creeping up toward 1700, to my alarm. (At 1700 pages the book could not have been published in a single volume). Several things happened to bring it back down. First, my editors and I made some decisions as to where to end this book which involved shifting a few chapters back into the next volume, THE WINDS OF WINTER. With a series like A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE, there are always judgment calls to make as to where to end one book and begin the next, since you're really dealing with one long story. Does this scene work best at the end of one book or the beginning of the next? Should this character go out with a cliffhanger or with some sort of resolution (be it permanent or temporary)? And so on. ANd so forth.Second, I did my sweat. That's a technique I learned in Hollywood, where my scripts were always too long. "This is too long," the studio would say. "Trim it by eight pages." But I hated to lose any good stuff -- scenes, dialogue exchanges, bits of action -- so instead I would go through the script trimming and tightening line by line and word by word, cutting out the fat and leaving the muscle. I found the process so valuable that I've done the same with all my books since leaving LA. It's the last stage of the process. Finish the book, then go through it, cutting, cutting, cutting. It produces a tighter, stronger text, I feel. In the case of A DANCE WITH DRAGONS, my sweat -- most of it performed after we announced the book's publication date but before I delivered the final chapters -- brought the page count down almost eighty pages all by itself.So what's left? Plenty. A huge book, just a hair shorter than A STORM OF SWORDS, as I said. The final count shows that we've got 73 chapters, told through the eyes of (gulp) sixteen different viewpoint characters. I could tell you who they are, but then I'd have to kill you.Actually, though, it might be easier to tell you who they aren't. Sansa, Sam, Aeron Damphair, Arianne, and Brienne have no chapters in A DANCE WITH DRAGONS. Several of those characters had chapters written, completed, and polished that have been moved into THE WINDS OF WINTER. Part of that editorial process I mentioned up above.Back when I split A FEAST FOR CROWS into two books, I said in my infamous afterword, "Meanwhile, Back at the Wall..." that Tyrion, Dany, and Jon Snow would be back in the next book, and so they are. Those three characters dominate A DANCE WITH DRAGONS. Out of 73 chapters, 35 concern their exploits; sixteen viewpoints, aye, but just three of them make up almost half of the book. The next largest chunk o' chapters belongs to an old POV character who has been missing for a couple of books, but now returns to us... rather the worse for wear.Yes, some of the characters who were featured as POVs in A FEAST FOR CROWS will reappear, since the timeframe covered by DANCE extends well beyond that of FEAST. Tyrion is not the only Lannister with a viewpoint. Cersei and Jaime will have chapters as well, though... be warned... not a lot of them. Arya is also on hand. And we'll check in with Bran and his companions as well, on their long cold trek beyond the Wall. There are two Dornish POVs (one old, one new), and three ironborn(all previous POVs).And there are some new viewpoint characters. Some of them are new CHARACTERS, introduced for the first time in this book. Others are established characters, but new VIEWPOINTS; they have been around, but you've never gone inside their heads before. Once, a few years back, I said that I only meant to introduce one new viewpoint character in the book. Which just goes to show why I should never sound off about these things before the book is done. In the end, I wound up with.... hmmm, let me count 'em... one, two, three... ah... FOUR new viewpoint characters. And that doesn't even include the Prologue and Epilogue. So...What I can say? At least part of the infamous Meereenese knot was a viewpoint problem. (Not all of it, no, a lot had to do with chronology and causation, but some of it was a POV question). Introducing a new POV helped me resolve those problems, and made for a better book. And in the end, making a better book trumps all other concerns.Despite the various looney theories out there that claimed (1) I had finished the book years ago and have been sitting on a completed manuscript waiting for the opportune time to release it in order to make more money, or (2) I had given up writing the novel, or hit some terrible writer's block, and made no progress since 2005, the truth is just as I have releated in this blog... I have been working on DANCE all along, if rather more slowly that I would have liked. I had good bursts where I got a lot done. I had rough patches, where I struggled, and even a few periods where I was doing more rewriting than writing.Over the years I've sent various partial manuscripts to my editors, to show them where I was at that particular point in time. Now that the race is finally run, I went back and took another look at some of those old files. The page counts given in what follows refer only to COMPLETE CHAPTERS in final draft form... or what I thought was "complete" and "final" at that time. In each case, I had many pages of additional chapters roughed out or partially written, but those pages were not included in my count.The earliest partial in my files dates from January 2006. At that point I had 542 finished pages. Now, recall, it was June 2005 when I divided A FEAST FOR CROWS into two parallel books, and wrote my infamous (and, in retrospect, ill-considered) afterword "Meanwhile, Back at the Wall..." A FEAST FOR CROWS, as delivered, was 1063 pages in manuscript. At the time of the split, looking at all the Tyrion and Daenerys material that I'd removed, I figured I only had another 400 odd pages to go to have another book of equal length, which was likely what prompted me to say the next book would be along in a year. Famous last words, those. Never again.Obviously, it took a lot longer than that. After I wrote that, I ended up spending much of the rest of 2005 doing promotion for FEAST. An American book tour. A Canadian book tour. A British book tour. A visit to Italy for the Lucca Games Show. All great, but all exhausting. I did get back home in between, and got some writing done, but probably not much. That page count of 542 finished pages in January 2006 could not have been much different from what I'd had in June 2005, when I split the books. And the year or so that followed proved the folly of my prediction. The next partial I sent to Bantam is dated October 2007, and it is 472 pages long. Yes, in the year and a half between the two partials, I had managed to UNwrite some seventy pages. I was doing a lot more revision and rewriting -- and restructuring -- during this period than I was making forward progress. But then I hit a good spell. In March 2008 I delivered another partial, and this one was 596 pages long. In May 2008, another: 684 pages this time. In December 2008, 774 pages, After that progress remained slow, but fairly steady. I won't say I wasn't still tearing things out, rewriting, restructuring, changing my mind... I was... but I was forging ahead as well, as the partials I sent to my editors testify. In September 2009, I sent them 998 pages. In January 2010 I passed the 1000 pages mark, and delivered 1038 pages. Now I was picking up some steam again. June of 2010, a partial of 1028 pages. August of 2010, 1332 pages, December of 2010, 1412 pages. By March of 2011, Kong was screeching and the biplanes were in the air, and I sent in the final partial, which weighed in at 1571 pages... but I still had some incomplete chapters, some that remained very rough, some that I didn't know whether to include or not. It was those that pushed the final count over 1600 and up near 1700 before the editorial changes and final sweat that I've detailed up above.Kong, you were one mother of a monkey, but I'm glad you're off my back.Some day, maybe, some student of fantasy literature may want to peruse all of these partial manuscripts, and document how A DANCE WITH DRAGONS changed over the years. Every time I printed out a copy to send to my editors, I made a second and sent it to the Special Collections at Texas A&M University, where my papers are kept. Maybe someone will get a master's thesis out of my struggles with this book. And who knows, maybe in the end he or she will conclude that I was making the book worse and worse all along.But I don't think so. DANCE took a lot longer than I wanted it to, but I think it's a better tale for all the time and blood and sweat that went into it.In the end, though, it will be you guys who are the judge of that.Enjoy the read. Me, I've got another book to write. Yes, climb right on my back... and what a cute little monkey you are...

[Roger Sanchez]

Yes, climb right on my back... and what a cute little monkey you are...

Jadni GRRM.. mucica

[Weenie Pooh]

Taj stari POV koji se vraća posle pauze - Theon Greyjoy?