whistleblowers: wikileaks, snowden i...

[Halvard]

Koliko vidim, za sad samo kažu da su dobili pristup svim dokumentima i da se u celom svetu priča o tome. ^_^ Ali eto, saznadoh da u Norveškoj operiše srpska mafijaška grupa pod nazivom Pink Panter koja pljačka kuće i stanove, i da je primećen porast krivičnih dela počinjenih od strane Srba u Norveškoj i Švedskoj od liberalizacije viznog režima prošle godine. Nakon te informacije sam se iznervirao pa nisam ni čitao dalje.

[dragance]

Ja skinuo sa Guardiana Xcel sa svim kablovima, koji ima naziv, datum i "tags". Po tome nema skoro nista iz BG, sve d0 2006 godine, sto mi je malo cudno. Nema ni iz 2003, osim par komada pre marta, ako se dobro secam (da ne gledam sad. Ali zato je Zagreb veoma aktivan. Ima ih podosta iz tog perioda, a ima cak i iz rane 1991. godine sa naslovom "war crimes".Deluje mi prosto neverovatno da "Sablja" nije pokrivena, osim ako neka druga ambasada nije pokrivala (Zagreb ili Budimpesta).Poslah Guardianu mejl gde traze da im ljudi kazu sta hoce da vide, pa da oni kao objave. Mozda nesto bidne.

[papapavle]

Deluje mi prosto neverovatno da "Sablja" nije pokrivena, osim ako neka druga ambasada nije pokrivala (Zagreb ili Budimpesta).

Ovi Norvežani se hvale da ima i od popa brada; ko zna šta je Gardijan indeksirao (možda samo ono što su pregledali?):

"Although other newspapers have covered a lot of ground already, there are literally thousands of stories to tell," said Rønneberg. "You can type in almost any key phrase related to politics in the past 20 years, and you're going to find a story there."

[Indy]

He said the cables include large amounts of background on Osama Bin Laden's activities before the 9/11 attacks, including his dealings with the Taliban in Afghanistan and Sudan.

(Podelicu kokice sa 9/11-zavereticarima, casti mi)

[Roger Sanchez]

Ja skinuo sa Guardiana Xcel sa svim kablovima, koji ima naziv, datum i "tags". Po tome nema skoro nista iz BG, sve d0 2006 godine, sto mi je malo cudno. Nema ni iz 2003, osim par komada pre marta, ako se dobro secam (da ne gledam sad. Ali zato je Zagreb veoma aktivan. Ima ih podosta iz tog perioda, a ima cak i iz rane 1991. godine sa naslovom "war crimes".Deluje mi prosto neverovatno da "Sablja" nije pokrivena, osim ako neka druga ambasada nije pokrivala (Zagreb ili Budimpesta).Poslah Guardianu mejl gde traze da im ljudi kazu sta hoce da vide, pa da oni kao objave. Mozda nesto bidne.

Sad ti saznajes ono sto sam ja otprilike napisao na otprilike prvim stranicama topica.

[odmor]

I Lj. Smajlovic voli wikileaks ;)

NA ISTOM ZADATKU: Ni za koga ko je devedesetih godina živeo na našem prostoru nije novost da su se američki izveštači i diplomate osećali kao članovi istog borbenog bratstva u jugoslovenskim ratovima secesije, da su delovali iz istog rova, da su se družili i ponašali kao da su na istom zadatku. Možda i nije tako neobično da se zemljaci, školovani na istim školama i brifovani na istom poimanju nacionalnog interesa, na stranom tlu pod istim okolnostima svrstavaju na istu stranu. No kad je o štampi reč, upadljivo je bilo to da su se novinari vodećih, takozvanih mejnstrim medija, kao po pravilu poistovećivali sa američkim establišmentom, dok su atipični, drugačiji tonovi uvek stizali iz manjih, alternativnih medija (tako je sada poznati američki novinar Džeremi Skejhil, koji je raskrinkao ulogu američkih plaćenika u bezbednosnoj organizaciji Blekvoter u Iraku, događaje na Kosovu i NATO bombardovanje Jugoslavije doživljavao i opisivao veoma drugačije od svojih kolega iz "Njujork tajmsa" i "Vašington posta", primera radi). Ako istoričari novinarstva jednog dana budu pročešljavali anale američke diplomatije i poredili izveštaje zapadnih ambasadora sa tla bivše Jugoslavije sa u isto vreme objavljivanim izveštajima u elitnim zapadnim medijima, verovatno će uočiti značajne podudarnosti u tonu, rečniku, argumentima, izboru činjenica sa terena.Džulijan Asanž ne pripada Džonovom, Rodžerovom i Ričardovom klubu, i u tome je njegova snaga i istovremeno njegova subverzija.

[dragance]

Sad ti saznajes ono sto sam ja otprilike napisao na otprilike prvim stranicama topica.

Pa jeste. Ali kako Guardian obicno citam na poslu, nisam hteo (smeo?) da skinem te fajlove, da ne bi slucajno najebao. Big brother has some very long arms.

[gagorder]

ja se nesto razmisljam: da slucajno imam neke neobjavljene a kriticno vazne podatke od opsteg interesa, i da sam dovoljno luda da ih dam nekom srpskom novinaru, ko bi to bio?

[Аврам Гојић]

ja se nesto razmisljam: da slucajno imam neke neobjavljene a kriticno vazne podatke od opsteg interesa, i da sam dovoljno luda da ih dam nekom srpskom novinaru, ko bi to bio?

das sve, svima, istovremeno.

[gagorder]

das sve, svima, istovremeno.

da, to je pametna ideja. ali hipoteticki, kada bih mogla da dodjem samo do jedne osobe ... htela sam da kazem da zapravo medju ovim eksponiranim novinarima, kojima znam ime i prezime, ne znam ni za koga ko bi bio ocigledna destinacija od poverenja.

[papapavle]

Kako nema ocigledne destinacije, a Brankica?

[Takeshi]

:D

[najgori]

Wikileaks cable reveals U.S. conspired to retaliate against European nations if they resisted GMOswikileaks.ch — The cable reveals the words of Craig Stapleton, the US ambassador to France, who was pushing the commercial interests of the biotech industry by attempting to force GMOs into France. In his own words: "Europe is moving backwards not forwards on this issue with France playing a leading role, along with Austria, Italy and even the [European] Commission....Moving to retaliation will make clear that the current path has real costs to EU interests and could help strengthen European pro-biotech voices." 9 Edited December 31, 2010 by najgori

[DarkAttraktor]

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Koje je on dete to je neverovatno :D “Foolish reporter! Your ad hominem attacks are no match for my fervent self-belief.”

[DarkAttraktor]

US cable leaks' collateral damage in Zimbabwe: If Morgan Tsvangirai is charged with treason, WikiLeaks will have earned the ignominy of Robert Mugabe's gratitudeLINK

When WikiLeaks whistleblowers began circulating in April footage of a 2007 Iraq war incursion in which US military personnel unwittingly killed two war correspondents and several civilians, the international community was aghast at the apparent murder. With sobering questions on the material's full context largely falling on deaf ears, the group was free to editorialise the scene as it pleased: "collateral murder".But now, with the recent release of sensitive diplomatic cables, WikiLeaks may have committed its own collateral murder, upending the precarious balance of power in a fragile African state and signing the death warrant of its pro-western premier.Zimbabwe's Morgan Tsvangirai's call to public service has been a tortured one, punctuated by death and indignity.His numerous arrests and brushes with death began in 1997, when he emerged as the unlikely face of opposition to President Robert Mugabe. That year, Mugabe's henchmen nearly threw Tsvangirai from the window of his tenth floor office. He would be arrested on four separate occasions in the years to follow. During one such arrest, in 2007, he was severely beaten and tortured by Zimbabwean special forces at the behest of the ruling political party.After Zimbabwe's 2008 presidential contest – featuring incumbent Mugabe, Tsvangirai and independent Simba Makoni – failed to award any candidate with the majority necessary to claim victory, the election defaulted to a runoff between the two highest vote-getters, Mugabe and Tsvangirai.In the days succeeding the first round of balloting, Tsvangirai was the alleged target of an assassination plot and subsequently taken into the custody of Mugabe's police, for which American and German diplomats demanded his immediate release. After initially committing to pursuing a second challenge to Mugabe, Tsvangirai withdrew in protest, lambasting the election as a "violent sham" in which his supporters were risking their lives to cast ballots in his favour. Indeed, it is estimated that over 100 MDC supporters met an untimely demise in the period following the election.Following intense negotiations, the two parties agreed in February 2009 to a coalition government, in which Mugabe would remain head of state – a post he had held uninterrupted for 30 years – and Tsvangirai would assume the premiership. Not one month later, Tsvangirai and his wife were involved in a suspicious collision with a lorry. Though the prime minister survived, his wife for 31 years died.With little regard for the nuances and subtlety of soft international diplomacy, WikiLeaks released last week a classified US state department cable relating a 2009 meeting between Tsvangirai and American and European ambassadors, whose countries imposed travel sanctions and asset freezes on Mugabe and his top political lieutenants on the eve of Zimbabwe's 2002 presidential election.Though western sanctions don't prohibit foreign trade and investment or affect international aid – it's said that Zimbabwe's 2009 cholera epidemic topped 100,000 cases, registering some 4,300 deaths – the Mugabe administration effectively characterised the sanctions as an affront to the common Zimbabwean, further crippling the nation's already hobbled economy. (Zimbabwe's national unemployment figure hovers somewhere near 90%.)Publicly, Tsvangirai opposed the measures out of political necessity. In private conversations with western diplomats, however, the ascendant Tsvangirai praised its utility in forcing Mugabe's hand in the new unity government.Now, in the wake of the WikiLeaks' release, one of the men targeted by US and EU travel and asset freezes, Mugabe's appointed attorney general, has launched a probe to investigate Tsvangirai's involvement in sustained western sanctions. If found guilty, Tsvangirai will face the death penalty.And so, where Mugabe's strong-arming, torture and assassination attempts have failed to eliminate the leading figure of Zimbabwe's democratic opposition, WikiLeaks may yet succeed. Twenty years of sacrifice and suffering by Tsvangirai all for naught, as WikiLeaks risks "collateral murder" in the name of transparency.Before more political carnage is wrought and more blood spilled – in Africa and elsewhere, with special concern for those US-sympathising Afghans fingered in its last war document dump – WikiLeaks ought to leave international relations to those who understand it – at least to those who understand the value of a life.