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Хехе, па има ли који кабао из слободарске Приштине у коме не цветају руже? Ја до сада по кабаоима углавном читам о мрским Србима и Вундеркинду, понешто о косовским потенцијалима да постану Лас Вегас за заљубљенике у лигнит и - то би било то.

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A read-out from a meeting between US secretary of state Hillary Clinton and Dutch foreign minister Maxime Verhagen reveals Dutch concerns that Serbia is still not cooperating fully in the hunt for war crimes indictee Ratko Mladic. The Dutch have never forgotten or forgiven Maldic's humiliation of their troops at Srebrenica in 1995. Key passage highlighted in yellow.
Dutch sceptical about Serb cooperation on war crimes

meni je ovo najzanimljivijehttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/82075ne verujem da su kostunici predlozili ovo :lol:

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Proposal 7. As part of the above investigation, those suspected of supporting Mladic or having information on Mladic's support network will immediately be brought in for questioning, and if appropriate, detained. This would include senior figures such as former head of military intelligence Aca Tomic, former Army Chief of Staff Krga, and Mladic son Darko Mladic. They should be held for questioning on the same basis, as appropriate, as those currently in detention (former lower level Mladic supporters wrapped up in the past several months).Status: This has not been done. Ljajic told us eight weeks ago it was planned, but it never happened. Tomic is believed to have been close to Kostunica, including during the period that Tomic was involved in protecting Mladic in Serbia.
  On 10. 12. 2010. at 1:04, Musharaf said:
Хехе, па има ли који кабао из слободарске Приштине у коме не цветају руже? Ја до сада по кабаоима углавном читам о мрским Србима и Вундеркинду, понешто о косовским потенцијалима да постану Лас Вегас за заљубљенике у лигнит и - то би било то.
Kablovi uglavnom potvrdjuju ono shto smo znali.
  On 10. 12. 2010. at 1:44, kojot said:
meni je ovo najzanimljivijehttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/82075ne verujem da su kostunici predlozili ovo :lol:
Na stranu o kakvim likovima se radi ali ovo je potpuno strasno. Voleo bih da vidim da u SAD neko ovako otvoreno cima tuzilastva i sudove i ovako otvoreno zagovara krsenje jedan od najvaznijih principa demokratije - podelu vlasti na izvrsnu, zakonodavnu i sudsku. Mada, posle ovog pranja prljavih gaca u javnosti nista me vise ne bi iznenadilo.

pa bas zato i kazem da je ovo najzanimljivije. ovome moze i da se doda da sada imamo i dokaz da ne mozemo da udjemo u eu bez priznanja kosova.

Jbg, moram ponovo da progovorim na ovoj temi. :isuse: U Australiji se događaju mejdžor hepeninzi na temu Wikileaksa, podrška Asanžu (kontra ovdašnjim vlastima) je masovna, u stvari nezapamćena. Otvoreno pismo koje je Asanž uputio premijerki Gilard, koje je preneto na (državnom mediju) abc.net.au dobilo je preko 4.500 objavljenih komentara, i mnogo više onih koja nisu mogla biti objavljena, ali su uspela da obore stranicu. Praktično sve je podrška Asanžu.Ovih dana su objavljene neki za Australiju vrlo bitni leakovi. Npr. jedan od čelnika trenutno vladajuće stranke je diskutovao sa Amerikancima o sklanjanju bivšeg premijera Rudd-a (tada i predsednika iste stranke) pre nego što je iko o tome znao u Australiji. Reakcije idu od onih, "pa šta, ćaskali su malo", do zahteva da mu se sudi za izdaju zemlje. Nema dana praktično da neko od sličnih svedočanstava preterane, nezdrave, vezanosti australijske politike za USA ne izađe na videlo. U to su upetljani i vodeći novinari. Prenosim u postu ispod članak koji upravo o tome govori, pokušaću da ga prenesem sa originalnim linkovima, pošto sadrži reference koje mogu biti manje poznate neaustralijancima. U sažetku, dosta jasno objašnjava ne samo vrlo kiselu (ako ne i agresivnu) reakciju praktično svih političara sveta na WL, već i dobrog dela medija: oni su u privilegovanom odnosu, novinari (vodećih medija) su embedded sa vladajućim političarima, a i onima iz senke koji u stvari vladaju (i ovo nije teorija zavere, to je dobro poznato - u Australiji su to The Australian-American Leadership Dialogue, kao i The Australia-Israel Leadership Dialogue). Ljudi iz vrhova većine medijskih kuća, stranaka i think-tankova (koji regularno bivaju pozivani na ovakva neskriveno tajnovita druženja) su prosto rečeno ljubomorni na to što je Asanž otvorio jedan deo informacija koje oni brižljivo kriju, uglavnom o trošku poreskih obveznika, od onih kojima bi trebalo da daju kompletne informacije, a ne npr. da "beru trešnje" sa informacijama o ratu u Avganistanu, kako ćete videti da Loewenstein piše ispod. A to takođe može da objasni i neke od disonantnih glasova ovde. Neko je platio članarinu za ekskluzivni klub, a sad se pojavio mangup koji je vrata kluba svima širom otvorio, barem privremeno. Nije čudo da ima ogorčenja.

Jbg za linkove morate da odete na originalnu stranicu, ne radi prenos.WikiLeaks challenges journalism-politics partnershipANTONY LOEWENSTEINWho can now say that the WikiLeaks cables detail no new information?It was only last week that ABC TV’s 7.30 Report featured a story with supposed foreign affairs experts, including the Lowy Institute’s Michael Fullilove, who largely dismissed the significance of the document dump. Within a few days these men were all proven wrong.Now we know Labor powerbroker Mark Arbib sends confidential information to the Americans. He’s not alone.Crucially, however, our media class aren’t asking the next obvious questions.The Australian’s Paul Maley argues that communication between politicians, journalists and diplomats is part of the daily job.“It is no surprise the Americans were talking to Arbib,” he writes, “They talk to everyone.”And yet the senior Murdoch journalist doesn’t understand that the general public are rarely told about such meetings. What is discussed? What are the agendas? Is there transparency in such dealings? And who is telling what information to whom? Who benefits and what stories are not being told to avoid embarrassing somebody?The cosiness between these players is exactly what WikiLeaks is aiming to challenge. Why shouldn’t the voting public be privy to whims and wishes of the American government and their relationships with key government ministers, individuals voted in by all of us? If Arbib was warning the Americans he thought Rudd may fall, why wasn’t he telling his constituents, the ones who put him in office?The fact that the US had followed the rise of Julia Gillard and approved her views on the American alliance, Afghanistan and Israeli aggression is worrying though unsurprising.It’s extremely rare that a leader rises who hasn’t received American approval or extensive years of obedience grooming. Former Labor leader Mark Latham was loathed by the US because he publicly expressed scepticism about the US alliance, the war in Iraq and then-president George W Bush.It’s worth recalling that Latham called former prime minister John Howard an “arselicker” of the Bush administration and described a delegation of Liberal party politicians going to Washington as "a conga line of suckholes".Latham would undoubtedly use equally colourful language to describe Arbib and Kevin Rudd. So why did ABC TV’s 7.30 Report feel the need to mitigate the damage to Rudd and Australia with the latest release of cables this week by featuring a soft-ball interview with assistant secretary of state for East Asian and Pacific Affairs Kurt Campbell?Host Kerry O’Brien didn’t even blush when he acknowledged that, “he [Campbell] asked to come on the program to counter the damage from today's exposure in Fairfax newspapers of the US embassy cables”. Since when is the ABC designed to offer air-time to a senior US official with a clear agenda to kiss and make up with Canberra? Moreover, viewers were expected to believe that Rudd was one of Barack Obama’s “best mates”?The interview was symptomatic of the greater media malaise in this massive story; journalistic jealousy and closeness to state power.The latest leaks that show profound Australian Government doubts over the Afghan mission are damning. Ministers are complicit but what about the journalists who visit Afghanistan, embed with our troops and paint an overly rose picture of brave men and women in a winnable war? Scepticism is often in short supply when reporting from the front lines.When Hillary Clinton recently visited Australia, she was treated to a light interview with ABC’s Leigh Sales (who even Tweeted a grinning photo of the two). There were no challenging questions, just friendly banter and space for the Secretary of State to spin lines about loving Australia and its hospitality.To learn a few weeks later, via WikiLeaks, that Clinton directed US officials across the world to spy on unsuspecting governments and UN officials should elicit outrage from a media fraternity that recently offered little more than obsequiousness before American power. There’s been not a peep.Such obedience doesn’t come naturally; it takes years of practice. Annual events such as the Australian-American Leadership Dialogue - a secret gathering of politicians, journalists and opinion-makers - consolidate the unhealthy, uncritical relationship between Australia and America. Many corporate journalists have attended, including the Sydney Morning Herald’s Peter Hartcher and former Labor MP and ABC reporter Maxine McKew. It aims to consolidate American hegemony rather than challenging it.It’s largely a one-way street. Australians display loyalty to an agenda and the Americans are allegedly thankful. As US participant Steve Clemons wrote in 2007:

“Phil Scanlan, founder of the Australian American Leadership Dialogue, is proud of the fact that in 15 years, no-one has leaked any of the internal conversations of the conference. I won't either... unless I get permission from one of the speakers or commentators to do so which is allowed by the rules.”

The Australia-Israel Leadership Dialogue, inspired by the American one, is once again about to head to Israel for a short burst of Zionist propaganda. Journalists and politicians invariably return with the required Israeli talking points (let me guess this year; Iran is the greatest threat to the Middle East and the world?).The Age’s Michelle Grattan tweeted this week of the post-WikiLeaks reality of the tour:“All those pollies travelling to the Aust-Israel dialogue might be a bit more inclined to zip their lips in private.”But why are such gatherings so secret? Why do journalists allow themselves to be romanced without revealing the kinds of agendas they’re pushing? It’s obvious why; being close to top officials and politicians makes them feel connected and important. Being an insider is many reporters’ ideal position. Independence is secondary to receiving sanctioned links and elevated status in a globalised world.The WikiLeaks documents challenge the entire corrupted relationship between media and political elites. Founder Julian Assange is an outsider and doesn’t attend exclusive and secret meetings where the furthering of US foreign policy goals are on the cards. He aims to disrupt that dynamic. Many in the media resent not being leaked the information themselves and are jealous. Others simply dislike a lone-wolf citizen with remarkable tech-savvy to challenge their viability.One can dismiss The Australian’s bragging of knowing virtually everything in the WikiLeaks cables before they were released - if only they more deeply scrutinised the effect of war policies they backed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine and beyond - because the key point here isn’t merely covering disillusionment over Rudd or Gillard or anyone else. It’s something far bigger; a fundamental re-writing of the relationship between journalists and governments.The WikiLeaks cable dumps have revealed a chasm between establishment attitudes towards truth-telling and furious attempts to protect the embarrassed. The sign of any healthy democracy is the ways in which it deals with the most sensitive of information. Senior media figures and government authorities are often remarkably consistent in their messaging. They move in similar worlds and they often rely on each other for sourcing.It’s this kind of dangerous, mutual sycophancy that WikiLeaks could break.

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Od mene veliko plus za americku diplomatiju:Usudili su se, makar i u tajnim depesama, da pisu o sranjima farmaceutske mafije (pfizer).

  On 10. 12. 2010. at 3:02, Indy said:
...........Ljudi iz vrhova većine medijskih kuća, stranaka i think-tankova (koji regularno bivaju pozivani na ovakva neskriveno tajnovita druženja) su prosto rečeno ljubomorni na to što je Asanž otvorio jedan deo informacija koje oni brižljivo kriju, uglavnom o trošku poreskih obveznika, od onih kojima bi trebalo da daju kompletne informacije, a ne npr. da "beru trešnje" sa informacijama o ratu u Avganistanu, kako ćete videti da Loewenstein piše ispod. A to takođe može da objasni i neke od disonantnih glasova ovde. Neko je platio članarinu za ekskluzivni klub, a sad se pojavio mangup koji je vrata kluba svima širom otvorio, barem privremeno. Nije čudo da ima ogorčenja.
Ovo je veoma zanimljivo. Jos zanimljivije je da ce se objavljivanje nastaviti kroz celu 2011. godinu. sto znaci da ovo ima potencijal da promeni citav dosadasnji korumpiran sistem.
  On 10. 12. 2010. at 8:20, Aion said:
Od mene veliko plus za americku diplomatiju:Usudili su se, makar i u tajnim depesama, da pisu o sranjima farmaceutske mafije (pfizer).
To je ustvari jedan veliki minus i primer zasto mnogi od ovih leakova treba da budu javni - ko sprecava posle toga nekog diplomatu/birokratu da trazi reket? Slazem se da neke stvari mraju da budu tajne i to njaveci problem Wikiliksa da objavljuje sve, ali ovakve stvari se moraju objavljivati koje se itekako ticu generalne javnosti.

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