whistleblowers: wikileaks, snowden i...

[luba]

WikiLeaks' Assange remanded in custody by court until Dec 14

[luba]

WikiLeaks' founder Julian Assange was remanded in custody until December 14 by a London court on Tuesday after he said he would fight extradition to Sweden where he faces rape allegations. Appearing before a judge at Westminster Magistrates Court following his arrest, Assange was refused bail despite an offer by personalities including film director Ken Loach and socialite Jemima Khan to put up bail for him.

[Dionysos]

WikiLeaks' Assange remanded in custody by court until Dec 14

WikiLeaks' Assange remanded in custody by court until Dec 14

WikiLeaks' founder Julian Assange was remanded in custody until December 14 by a London court on Tuesday after he said he would fight extradition to Sweden where he faces rape allegations. Appearing before a judge at Westminster Magistrates Court following his arrest, Assange was refused bail despite an offer by personalities including film director Ken Loach and socialite Jemima Khan to put up bail for him.

Видео човек ону рекламу кока-коле где онај косооки скаче иза реклама

[luba]

dobro, dalo se ocekivati da ce broj oponenata medj srpskom politicki opredeljenom omladinom poceti da raste sa priblizavanjem datuma otvaranja kablova koji ce pominjati razne vodje, pregovarace i slicne aktere kojima se dive, postuju ih, cene i slede.jes da je neo-kon, ali je u pravu i ja se od sad po tome vodim :P

You're either with us, or you're with WikiLeaks

ko ima stomak da cita, evo ga mark

[luba]

sudjenje

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange was remanded in custody until December 14 by a London court on Tuesday after saying he would fight his extradition to Sweden on suspicion of rape and molestation. The 39-year-old Australian, whose whistleblowing website has enraged Washington by releasing thousands of secret US diplomatic cables, appeared in court just hours after handing himself in to British police. Filmmaker Ken Loach, socialite Jemima Khan, and campaigning journalist John Pilger each offered 20,000 pounds (23,600 euros, 31,400 dollars) for Assange's bail, but it was refused on the grounds that he might try to flee Britain. "These are extremely serious allegations," district judge Howard Riddle said at City of Westminster magistrates court, adding that Assange faced alleged sexual offences against two women. "I am satisfied that there are substantial grounds to believe that if granted bail he would fail to surrender," the judge added. The judge said Assange had "comparatively weak community ties in this country" and had the "means and ability to abscond if he wants to." Assange appeared calm in court, an AFP reporter said. Wearing a navy blue suit and a white shirt without a tie, he spoke to confirm his name and address, giving an Australian PO box address. When pressed by the judge he gave another address in Victoria, Australia. The former hacker denies the Swedish claims. He says they stem from a dispute over consensual, unprotected sex with two women and that the accusations may be politically motivated. WikiLeaks vowed that the detention of its founder would not stop it releasing more of the confidential US cables. "Today's actions against our editor-in-chief Julian Assange won't affect our operations: we will release more cables tonight as normal," it said in a statement on Twitter. James Ball, a WikiLeaks journalist in London, told AFP that staff were working "on schedule, all that stuff will keep rolling out as ever". In a sign of Washington's satisfaction at the arrest, US Defence Secretary Robert Gates, who was visiting Afghanistan on Tuesday, said it "sounds like good news." Britain's Metropolitan Police said earlier in a statement that officers from its extradition unit had arrested Assange on a European arrest warrant "by appointment at a London police station" at 0930 GMT. "He is accused by the Swedish authorities of one count of unlawful coercion, two counts of sexual molestation and one count of rape, all alleged to have been committed in August 2010," the police statement said. The arrest of Assange comes as a fresh blow to WikiLeaks, which has been chased around the globe since it started to release a cache of 250,000 US diplomatic memos on November 28. The website has hopped from server to server as various countries tried to close it down, even as its supporters have responded by setting up hundreds of "mirror" sites to keep it online. WikiLeaks is also coming under increased financial pressure, with Visa following in the footsteps of MasterCard and PayPal Tuesday by announcing that it was suspending all payments to WikiLeaks. Swiss authorities shut down one of Assange's bank accounts on Monday, while a major WikiLeaks donor is in trouble in Germany for not filing its accounts on time. WikiLeaks has already been expelled from the United States where the US Attorney General Eric Holder has said authorities were pursuing an "active, ongoing investigation that is criminal in nature," into the leaks. US politicians have called for Assange to be treated as a terrorist. In one of the latest leaks, US cables released Tuesday showed that NATO had extended an existing defence plan covering Poland to include Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania after they lobbied for extra protection.

[teacher]

privremeno zatvoreno zbog rada na splitu.

[teacher]

otvorena radnja. Za poređenja srpskih estradnih fenomena i posledica po globalnu diplomatiju, pisati ovde. Potrudite se da ne minirate temu.

[pacey defender]

Izvinjavam se ako su moji postovi doprineli padu kvaliteta rasprave. Ono što je u celoj priči najvažnije je - hoće li nakon ovoga političari biti bar za nijansu uzdržaniji u nedozvoljenoj ili neprihvatljivoj političkoj trgovini (Rasmusen, Pahor)? Ako će se stvari popraviti za milimetar, onda je efekat postignut čak i dugoročno. Čak i ako do toga ne dođe, ostaje nam kratkoročna korist. Saznali smo neke konkretne stvari o postupcima državnika, koji direktno pokazuju da u nekim "pravnim državama" ne postoji princip kočnica i ravnoteže vlasti. Neko će reći - znali sto to i ranije. Ok, ali sada imamo konkretan dokaz da se vladajuća stranka u Danskoj umešala u rad nezavisnih regulatornih tela i izvršila pritisak da se ugasi jedan medij, kako bi se ostvarila politička korist za stranku i njenog lidera.Razumem da neko misli da će doći do razvodnjavanja priče i do manipulacija, da će među pukom ove informacije biti prihvaćene poput nekakvog trača sa estrade, ali ne bi bilo loše da uvek imamo na umu principe na kojima počiva otvoreno društvo, i šta je to što ga ugrožava. Ron Paul na repeat.

Edited December 7, 2010 by pacey defender

[Weenie Pooh]

Ono što je u celoj priči najvažnije je - hoće li nakon ovoga političari biti bar za nijansu uzdržaniji u nedozvoljenoj ili neprihvatljivoj političkoj trgovini (Rasmusen, Pahor)? Ako će se stvari popraviti za milimetar, onda je efekat postignut čak i dugoročno.

Sorry, ali nije to najvažnije. Neće nikad biti uzdržaniji, dok god su ljudi koji postavljaju standarde "nedozvoljene/neprihvatljive trgovine" u njihovom dubokom džepu.Objavljivanje nečega što je ambasador čuo pa poslao bazi nije nikakav smoking gun ni za Dance, ni za Slovence, ni za Turke, jer vrlo lako podložno sto jednom nivou interpretacije i nijansiranja i izvrtanja. And the show goes on.Ono što u celoj priči jeste najvažnije je - hoće li se nakon ovoga novinari setiti šta je njihov posao, zašto im ne sme biti prvi prioritet da se slučajno ne zamere Powers that Be.

[luba]

Charles Arthur, the Guardian's technology editor, points out that while MasterCard and Visa have cut WikiLeaks off you can still use those cards to donate to overtly racist organisations such as the Knights Party, which is supported by the Ku Klux Klan.

[Muwan]

Ono što je u celoj priči najvažnije je - hoće li nakon ovoga političari biti bar za nijansu uzdržaniji u nedozvoljenoj ili neprihvatljivoj političkoj trgovini (Rasmusen, Pahor)? Ako će se stvari popraviti za milimetar, onda je efekat postignut čak i dugoročno.

Neće. Jednostavno će pasti dogovor da ambasadori više ne pominju direktno dilove i imena umešanih u svojim depešama - barem onim kojima pristup ima i kuso i repato. Bitne stvari će otići u Top Secret koji može da vidi dvocifren broj ljudi, ostatak se nastavlja tamo gde je Manning stao s tim da neće biti ničeg iole zanimljivog.Weenie je u pravu, ovo je pre svega test za novinare. A oni su se za sada pokazali kao najprodanije duše i najjeftinije slugeranje establišmenta. Umesto da ih raskrinkavaju oni zajedno sa nima popločavaju put globalnom totalitarizmu i fašizmu. Šljam.

[morgana]

pa jel tacno ili nije da se veci dio sadrzaja kablova vec ranije mogao naci po novinama?

[Eraserhead]

Weenie je u pravu, ovo je pre svega test za novinare. A oni su se za sada pokazali kao najprodanije duše i najjeftinije slugeranje establišmenta. Umesto da ih raskrinkavaju oni zajedno sa nima popločavaju put globalnom totalitarizmu i fašizmu. Šljam.

Slažem se sa weenie da je suština ovoga u tome da li će novinari početi da rade ono što treba da rade. Bave se istraživanjem kroz koje bi oni postali daleko veća pretnja establishmentu nego WL. I bojim se da si u pravu. Neće. Ali mislim da razlog za to leži u tome što oni iz svega ovoga nisu videli ništa suštinski bitno na čemu bi mogli da "profitiraju".

[morgana]

Slažem se sa weenie da je suština ovoga u tome da li će novinari početi da rade ono što treba da rade. Bave se istraživanjem kroz koje bi oni postali daleko veća pretnja establishmentu nego WL. I bojim se da si u pravu. Neće. Ali mislim da razlog za to leži u tome što oni iz svega ovoga nisu videli ništa suštinski bitno na čemu bi mogli da "profitiraju".

nisi pazljivo citao, vidjeli su ponesto zanimljivije od objavljenog (pretpostavljam da racunas samo sa tracerajem) ali to nisu objavili (mislim na one podatke za koje smo culi da su neobjavljeni jer su opasni po nekoga)bas me zanima da li bi asanz to objavio da je bilo samo do njega. kaze da ne bi. Edited December 7, 2010 by morgana

[Roger Sanchez]

Pročitao sam replike na one svoje postove i razumijem moralne argumente i zašto je dobro u ovom kontekstu da se dogodilo što se dogodilo. Uostalom, ne bi rovao po kejblovima da ne mislim tako.Zanima me vaše viđenje teorije diplomacije. Dakle, kad se odreklo tajne diplomacije, odreklo se tajnih ugovora (bar se tako misli) koji nisu poznati ni naciji niti međ-zajednici, a smatralo ih se legalno zaključenima i obvezujućima. Tajnost diplomatske pošte i dalje je teoretski zajamčena, za kejblove je situacija malo muljevitija, koliko se sjećam, F Delano Roosevelt je čitao neke kejblove japanske ambasade u DCu, ako me moja povijest dobro služi. Jel?Drugo, postoji čitav niz podataka i komunikacija u posjedu države čiju je tajnost ona obvezna (u teoriji) zakonom štititi od svih stakeholdera kojima bi bilo interesu (oni smatraju javnom) saznati te podatke, npr, u nekim nacijama, da idemo u extreme, popis sex offendera s adresama. Gdje se vuče teoretska linija, ili smo ipak u ad hocu cijelo vrijeme?