whistleblowers: wikileaks, snowden i...

[Lezilebovich]

meni je samo interesantno da iza Džulijana staju ovakvi likovi, dok stari borci za transparentnos, ljuCka prava i ina civilizacijska dostignuća ćute ko zaliveni. /ili u boljoj varijanti mrsomude oko istog tipa - "ma ja njega u principu podržavam, samo se ne slažem što je to objavljivao" /

pa i nije toliko cudno, jer ne staju oni iza njega zbog transparentnosti, sirenja informacija i demokratije, nego sto misle da ce time naskoditi USA. s druge strane, sada kada neko pocne da prica o nekim modelima ponasanja kojima treba da tezimo, uvek ce biti lako ucutkan pominjanjem wikileaksa , bez obzira sto postoji jos 1001 stvar u tim drustvima koje treba da prihvatimo.

[Sludge Factory]

Ovi behu 1 od najvecih prijatelja i saveznika u islamskm svetu?Nego, ljudi, sta cemo mi bre da radimo? Moram da priznam da se stvarno plasim i za buducnost Wikileaks-a, a i interneta uopste. Jos ako WL udare na banke i finansije, ovi ce se ozbiljno zacnuti i pocece da ogranicavaju net kako god znaju i mogu. Da ne pricam da lobisti iz raznih kompanija (filmske, muzicke i ostalih industrija pogodjenih internetom) odavno vec rade na pridobijanju podrske vlasti za kontrolu interneta. Ako se ne trgnemo i ne preduzmemo nesto (ne mislim samo na nas ovde na ppp-u :D ) ode nama najbolji mediji u istoriji covecanstva iz ruku. Znam da zvucim dramaticno, ali ne zezam se, ziv nisam kad je ovo u pitanju!

[Аврам Гојић]

To ce se svakako desiti, nemoderisan medij kao sto je internet ne moze da opstane na duze staze, osim ako se ljudska vrsta nije dozivela neki nagli evolucioni skok o kome nas Nju Sajentist nije izvestio. Treba ga koristiti dok se moze.

[Sludge Factory]

To ce se svakako desiti, nemoderisan medij kao sto je internet ne moze da opstane na duze staze, osim ako se ljudska vrsta nije dozivela neki nagli evolucioni skok o kome nas Nju Sajentist nije izvestio. Treba ga koristiti dok se moze.

Da znas da sam vec neko vreme u stanju panike kad je to u pitanju i stvarno se trudim da ga koristim sto je vise moguce, dok je moguce. Krivo bi mi bilo da ovo ispustimo, a ispusticemo ga najverovatnije, nazalost. Moj urodjeni pesimizam mi ne da mira!

[Weenie Pooh]

Krivo bi mi bilo da ovo ispustimo, a ispusticemo ga najverovatnije, nazalost. Moj urodjeni pesimizam mi ne da mira!

I ja sam generalno pesimista, ali po ovom pitanju nisam. Internet je previše rasplinut, decentralizovan, da bi mu se mogla efikasno uvesti Čvrsta Ruka. Svi dosadašnji pokušaji (uglavnom na osnovi piraterije) su bili resounding failures. Ako pričamo o američkoj javnosti, jedina stvar na koju su oni svi od reda (levo/desno) osetljivi su te njihove "građanske slobode", odnosno težnja da im se što manje ograničavaju stvari od strane vlasti. Da bi progutali neke ozbiljno restriktivne reforme, biće im potrebno neko jače opravdanje od potencijalne diplomatske blamaže, ili destabilizacije harmonije na osnovi finansijeri-vlast.Dakle, opustite se za sada. Ljudi su krenuli da paniče kad je pao Pirate Bay, kao početak kraja, sve će da nas pritegnu i nadgledaju, a šta je od toga bilo? Praktično ništa.

[Lezilebovich]

Velika razlika izmedju piraterije i ovakvih stvari je njihova važnost. Sada cenzori imaju daleko veću motivaciju da se ozbiljno pozabave time.

[belch]

Ako pričamo o američkoj javnosti, jedina stvar na koju su oni svi od reda (levo/desno) osetljivi su te njihove "građanske slobode", odnosno težnja da im se što manje ograničavaju stvari od strane vlasti. Da bi progutali neke ozbiljno restriktivne reforme, biće im potrebno neko jače opravdanje od potencijalne diplomatske blamaže, ili destabilizacije harmonije na osnovi finansijeri-vlast.

ali progutali su reforme kad su televizija i novine u pitanju. ako se to oduzimanje slobode uradi dovoljno suptilno (this is for your protection) tj, ako uspe da ih se ubedi da je to za njih korisno, kao što su to uspeli kad su televizija i novine u pitanju, ne vidim zašto bi se bunili i kako bi uspeli da se od toga odbrane kad je internet u pitanju. ako je nešto sigurno, to je da njihova vlast njih ume da ubedi da su u opasnosti.

[Musharaf]

Нека се спреми Твитер

[Sludge Factory]

Нека се спреми Твитер

E pa nece da moze!

[Weenie Pooh]

Velika razlika izmedju piraterije i ovakvih stvari je njihova važnost.

ako se to oduzimanje slobode uradi dovoljno suptilno (this is for your protection) tj, ako uspe da ih se ubedi da je to za njih korisnako je nešto sigurno, to je da njihova vlast njih ume da ubedi da su u opasnosti.

Ja ne mogu da zamislim argumente kojima će se američka javnost ubediti da je jedan whistle-blower sajt stvarna pretnja po njihovu bezbednost. Patriot act su proturili u vreme masovne histerije, posle 9/11, a ni oko te "prioritetizacije bezbednosti" nisu bili nimalo jednoglasni. Dok ne budu videli opipljive posledice, nema šanse da će biti spremni da progutaju nekakve okove za internet. Ko će da zastupa priču o potrebi za državnom kontrolom nad sadržajem kom smeju da pristupe? Ista ekipa koja na sva usta urla o maoizmu i socijalizmu kad pokušaju da im uvedu državno zdravstveno osiguranje?

[kim_philby]

ne znam da li je ovo bilo...

Wikileaks Cables Reveal That Canada Is Boring< Previous article | Next article >By Max Fisher | December 01, 2010 3:26pmWikileaks Cables Reveal That Canada Is BoringPresented ByThe Wikileaks cables have brought us tales of nuclear intrigue in Pakistan, secret geopolitical negotiation in China, and the threat of all-out war in the Middle East. But what about our diplomatic mission in Canada? What untold secrets do their classified communications reveal to the world? Now that those cables have been released, we finally know: Canada is a pretty dull place to be a U.S. diplomat.The most significant Canadian cable to emerge from the Wikileaks release is this long -- really long -- cable that, and we swear that we are not exaggerating its boringness, summarizes Canadian TV shows. If that does not have you feeling sorry for the State Department employee who probably dedicated years of hard study and work to joining the foreign service, only to end up in Ottawa transcribing CBC sitcoms, then consider the fact that he or she also has to pretend that his or her TV summaries have immediate geopolitical implications with "insidious" -- insidious! -- consequences. The level of anti-American melodrama has been given a huge boost in the current television season as a number of programs offer Canadian viewers their fill of nefarious American officials carrying out equally nefarious deeds in Canada while Canadian officials either oppose them or fall trying. ... While this situation hardly constitutes a public diplomacy crisis per se, the degree of comfort with which Canadian broadcast entities, including those financed by Canadian tax dollars, twist current events to feed long-standing negative images of the U.S. -- and the extent to which the Canadian public seems willing to indulge in the feast - is noteworthy as an indication of the kind of insidious negative popular stereotyping we are increasingly up against in Canada.The report is absolutely brimming with analysis of just about every single instance of a Canadian TV show mentioning the U.S., which appears to happen about once every seven minutes. Here's a representative sampling that no doubt made it straight to the desk of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton: Episode two expands on this theme, featuring the arrival of an arrogant, albeit stunningly attractive female DHS officer, sort of a cross between Salma Hayek and Cruella De Vil. The show portrays the DHS official bossing around her stereotypically more compassionate Canadian colleagues.The conclusion is written, and again we promise we are not exaggerating, with far greater urgency and alarm than, for example, the 2009 cable from Libya reporting loose weapons-grade uranium. We need to do everything we can to make it more difficult for Canadians to fall into the trap of seeing all U.S. policies as the result of nefarious faceless U.S. bureaucrats anxious to squeeze their northern neighbor. While there are those who may rate the need for USG public-diplomacy programs as less vital in Canada than in other nations because our societies are so much alike, we clearly have real challenges here that simply must be adequately addressed.

[3opge]

Wikileaks Cables Reveal That Canada Is Boringhaha, ovo kao da je iz "Kuce DM""who is the idiot?"

[reg]

ne znam da li je ovo bilo...

Bilo, stavio ja u spoiler. Prepricavaju se serije u kojima se negativno prikazuje americka administracije i njihove agencije [border, H20, jos jedna o kanadskim muslimanima kojoj sam zaboravio ime].

[DarkAttraktor]

Kolac pravo u srce unholy alliance-a...The US embassy cables WikiLeaks cables portray Saudi Arabia as a cash machine for terrorists

Saudi Arabia is the world's largest source of funds for Islamist militant groups such as the Afghan Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba – but the Saudi government is reluctant to stem the flow of money, according to Hillary Clinton."More needs to be done since Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qaida, the Taliban, LeT and other terrorist groups," says a secret December 2009 paper signed by the US secretary of state. Her memo urged US diplomats to redouble their efforts to stop Gulf money reaching extremists in Pakistan and Afghanistan."Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide," she said.Three other Arab countries are listed as sources of militant money: Qatar, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates.The cables highlight an often ignored factor in the Pakistani and Afghan conflicts: that the violence is partly bankrolled by rich, conservative donors across the Arabian Sea whose governments do little to stop them.The problem is particularly acute in Saudi Arabia, where militants soliciting funds slip into the country disguised as holy pilgrims, set up front companies to launder funds and receive money from government-sanctioned charities.One cable details how the Pakistani militant outfit Lashkar-e-Taiba, which carried out the 2008 Mumbai attacks, used a Saudi-based front company to fund its activities in 2005.Meanwhile officials with the LeT's charity wing, Jamaat-ud-Dawa, travelled to Saudi Arabia seeking donations for new schools at vastly inflated costs – then siphoned off the excess money to fund militant operations.Militants seeking donations often come during the hajj pilgrimage – "a major security loophole since pilgrims often travel with large amounts of cash and the Saudis cannot refuse them entry into Saudi Arabia". Even a small donation can go far: LeT operates on a budget of just $5.25m (£3.25m) a year, according to American estimates.Saudi officials are often painted as reluctant partners. Clinton complained of the "ongoing challenge to persuade Saudi officials to treat terrorist funds emanating from Saudi Arabia as a strategic priority".Washington is critical of the Saudi refusal to ban three charities classified as terrorist entities in the US. "Intelligence suggests that these groups continue to send money overseas and, at times, fund extremism overseas," she said.There has been some progress. This year US officials reported that al-Qaida's fundraising ability had "deteriorated substantially" since a government crackdown. As a result Bin Laden's group was "in its weakest state since 9/11" in Saudi Arabia.Any criticisms are generally offered in private. The cables show that when it comes to powerful oil-rich allies US diplomats save their concerns for closed-door talks, in stark contrast to the often pointed criticism meted out to allies in Pakistan and Afghanistan.Instead, officials at the Riyadh embassy worry about protecting Saudi oilfields from al-Qaida attacks.The other major headache for the US in the Gulf region is the United Arab Emirates. The Afghan Taliban and their militant partners the Haqqani network earn "significant funds" through UAE-based businesses, according to one report. The Taliban extort money from the large Pashtun community in the UAE, which is home to 1 million Pakistanis and 150,000 Afghans. They also fundraise by kidnapping Pashtun businessmen based in Dubai or their relatives."Some Afghan businessmen in the UAE have resorted to purchasing tickets on the day of travel to limit the chance of being kidnapped themselves upon arrival in either Afghanistan or Pakistan," the report says.Last January US intelligence sources said two senior Taliban fundraisers had regularly travelled to the UAE, where the Taliban and Haqqani networks laundered money through local front companies.One report singled out a Kabul-based "Haqqani facilitator", Haji Khalil Zadran, as a key figure. But, Clinton complained, it was hard to be sure: the UAE's weak financial regulation and porous borders left US investigators with "limited information" on the identity of Taliban and LeT facilitators.The lack of border controls was "exploited by Taliban couriers and Afghan drug lords camouflaged among traders, businessmen and migrant workers", she said.In an effort to stem the flow of funds American and UAE officials are increasingly co-operating to catch the "cash couriers" – smugglers who fly giant sums of money into Pakistan and Afghanistan.In common with its neighbours Kuwait is described as a "source of funds and a key transit point" for al-Qaida and other militant groups. While the government has acted against attacks on its own soil, it is "less inclined to take action against Kuwait-based financiers and facilitators plotting attacks outside of Kuwait".Kuwait has refused to ban the Revival of Islamic Heritage Society, a charity the US designated a terrorist entity in June 2008 for providing aid to al-Qaida and affiliated groups, including LeT.There is little information about militant fundraising in the fourth Gulf country singled out, Qatar, other than to say its "overall level of CT co-operation with the US is considered the worst in the region".The funding quagmire extends to Pakistan itself, where the US cables detail sharp criticism of the government's ambivalence towards funding of militant groups that enjoy covert military support.The cables show how before the Mumbai attacks in 2008, Pakistani and Chinese diplomats manoeuvred hard to block UN sanctions against Jamaat-ud-Dawa.But in August 2009, nine months after sanctions were finally imposed, US diplomats wrote: "We continue to see reporting indicating that JUD is still operating in multiple locations in Pakistan and that the group continues to openly raise funds". JUD denies it is the charity wing of LeT.

[DarkAttraktor]

Oh a storm is threateningMy very life todayIf I don’t get some shelterOh yeah, I’m gonna fade away…