whistleblowers: wikileaks, snowden i...

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Najvećim delom si u pravu, ali je vrlo bitan onaj deo u kom to nije tako. Svaki progres je, u osnovi, došao od takve manjine, kojoj komfor nije bio baš numero uno stvar u životu.

Koji npr?Sve na koje pomislim završe mi na mojoj strani priče. :)Ili su se borili za primarne ljudske slobode ili za komfor...

[Indy]

Koji npr?

Preteruješ u prilično velikim količinama...

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Preteruješ u prilično velikim količinama...

Moguće. No ipak daj mi te primere koji su žrtvovali komfor zarad viših ljudski prava, sloboda i sl.

[Indy]

Moguće. No ipak daj mi te primere koji su žrtvovali komfor zarad viših ljudski prava, sloboda i sl.

Ma daj, zar je moguće da nisi nikad čuo za Tihog i Prleta?! Šalu na stranu, ali istorija je zaista prepuna takvih likova, u stvari, osim zlotvora, oni se uglavnom jedino i pamte. Rosa Parks, npr.

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Ma daj, zar je moguće da nisi nikad čuo za Tihog i Prleta?! Šalu na stranu, ali istorija je zaista prepuna takvih likova, u stvari, osim zlotvora, oni se uglavnom jedino i pamte. Rosa Parks, npr.

Nismo se razumeli. :)Naravno da je takvih pojedinačnih primera bezbroj.Ne moraju biti ni pojedinci.Verujem da bi se i ti odrekao nekog svog komfora zarad prava na privatnost, anonimnost i sl.No, mislio sam na primer gde se mnogo odreklo komfora zarad viših ljudskih prava.Mnogo=dovoljno da na neki način skloni sa vlasti prethodne.

[Indy]

Mnogo=dovoljno da na neki način skloni sa vlasti prethodne.

Pa, partizani? :s_p:Ne mora to odjednom, a sklon sam da mislim i da ne može.

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Pa, partizani? :s_p:Ne mora to odjednom, a sklon sam da mislim i da ne može.

Eh borba protiv okupatora, ubica, koljača i otimača pšenice, svinja i drugih rudnih blaga? :)Nije se tu većina odrekla materijalnog komfora.No stoji to tvoje da sigurno ne može preko noći. Možda dostignemo fazu gde materijalno ne bude primarno pa budemo spremni žrtvovati nešto od toga zarad ljudskih prava i humanosti.

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BTW. Ne znam da li je već bilo ovo:Russia orders typewriters to prevent data leakshttp://www.cbc.ca/ne...data-leaks.html

Kucaće mašine imaju manu da ispuštaju različit zvuk za svako slovo koje se otipka. Dovoljno je da suparnička strana ima sofisticiran mikrofon i softver koji će da uporedi učestanost pojedinačnih zvukova mašine i statistiku pojedinih slova koja je karakteristična za svaki jezik (svako slovo, svaka grupa slova ima svoju dobro određenu verovatnoću u nekom jeziku) i tako dobije originalni tekst bez vizuelnog uvida, samo na osnovu zvukova.Problem kriptozaštite je faktički nerešiv kada se nađeš na tuđoj teritoriji, u tuđim objektima, hotelima, kancelarijama. Mikrokamere, mikrofoni, minijaturni senzori i pretvarači su došli do takvog nivoa da ih je teško pronaći i kontrolisati.Pitanje je koliko su i specijalne sobe-faradejevi kavezi u pojedinim ambasadama ( koje sada služe za poverljive razgovore i prenos informacija sa centralom) bezbedni, da nije pronađen način da se i one prisluškuju. Svaki objekat i stvar u tom objektu je svojevrsni zvučni rezonator, dovoljno je da se pogodi njegova sopstvena frekvencija oscilovanja i on postaje potencijalna antena...

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Sad već lupaš za sve pare. EDIT. Tom logikom se opasno približavaš onom moronu Niallu Fergusonu koji je nedavno ustvrdio da je J.M. Keynes bio, jel'da, Kejnezijanac zato što je bio gej i nije imao porodicu. Evo ti link ako nisi ispratio.

Dozvolite, ali ste opasno promašili poentu. I ne razumem zašto ljudi na forumima ne čitaju pažljivo tuđe postove i traže u njima smisao koji oni žele da nađu? Etikete tipa "ludak", "pedofil", "silovatelj" ili slične služe sistemu kada želi da diskredituje neku osobu. To je najlakši način izopštavanja neke osobe iz društva, način da se spreći solidarisanje drugih ljudi sa njom (osobom). A kada neku osobu izoluješ, lako možeš da je uništiš bez posledica ...BTW, i ko je taj Ferguson?! Od Fergusona, znam samo za Aleksa Fergusona, legendarnog trenera Mančester Junajteda ...

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The Mercosur trade bloc will summon ambassadors to four European nations after Bolivian President Evo Morales’ plane was diverted on his way home from Russia last week amid suspicion he was harboring Edward Snowden.Mercosur members Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela and Uruguay will summon for consultations their ambassadors to Spain, France, Italy and Portugal and will present a formal note of protest to each country, the bloc said in a statement issued during meetings today in Montevideo. Bolivia is in the process of becoming a full member of the bloc.

[Indy]

Dozvolite, ali ste opasno promašili poentu.

Gospodine, meni se vasa poenta ni malo ne dopada. Upravo zato sam je namerno promasio. Ne zelim da idem tamo gde vi navodite, u to nekakvo svodjenje cele ove problematike na karakteristike licnosti "zvizdaca" i ostalih buntovnika, a pritom izvodite jedno masivno normalizovanje onoga sto je duboko nemoralno i nenormalno po svakom osnovu (recimo, PRISM.... ili skretanje aviona predsednika prijateljskih zemalja sa zacrtane trase). Obratite paznju na to sta je ovde bitno, a sta sporedno, pa se mozda sledeci put i nadjemo u nekoj poenti.

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The Mercosur trade bloc will summon ambassadors to four European nations after Bolivian President Evo Morales’ plane was diverted on his way home from Russia last week amid suspicion he was harboring Edward Snowden.Mercosur members Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela and Uruguay will summon for consultations their ambassadors to Spain, France, Italy and Portugal and will present a formal note of protest to each country, the bloc said in a statement issued during meetings today in Montevideo. Bolivia is in the process of becoming a full member of the bloc.

Meni su smesne te protestne note. Velika vajda od istih, kuku-lele. Svi izigravaju nevinasca, paradiraju pred javnoscu sa perjem kao curani i iscudjavaju se, organizuju "powerful select committees", "urucuju note", "pominju posledice", a niko nista nece sa tim da uradi. Niti ce da im lupe trade embargo, uvedu sankcije ovog ili onog intenziteta, itd, i sl. Sve je ovo samo za javnost, a u stvari sve se vec zna "medju njima" vec godinama.

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Putin Urges Snowden to Leave RussiaPAUL SONNEMOSCOW—President Vladimir Putin said he hopes Edward Snowden, the U.S. National Security Agency leaker, will leave Russia as soon as possible and reiterated that he doesn't want the situation to damage relations with the White House.Agence France-Presse/Getty ImagesRussian President Vladimir Putin dove in a deep-seasubmersible in the Gulf of Finland on Monday to viewthe wreckage of a frigate that sank in 1869.Mr. Putin noted that Mr. Snowden remains in Moscow's Sheremetyevo Airport only because the U.S. has prevented the fugitive from reaching his desired final destination in Latin America.The comments Monday highlighted Mr. Putin's delicate maneuvering. Though Mr. Snowden's arrival has presented an opportunity for the Russian president to burnish his American-defiant reputation at home and abroad, Mr. Putin isn't seeking a major blowup in ties with Washington. Such a collapse in relations would imperil a high-profile September meeting that Mr. Putin has planned with President Barack Obama in Russia—an event the Kremlin doesn't want to derail.Russia declined the White House's request to expel Mr. Snowden in part because the U.S. would be highly unlikely to expel a Russian asylum-seeker at the Kremlin's request. But that doesn't mean Mr. Putin views Mr. Snowden sympathetically. The former KGB apparatchik, whose inner circle comprises security-service loyalists, views whistleblowing activities with skepticism and hasn't expressed support for Mr. Snowden's plight or cause.The Americans "themselves scared all the other countries such that no one wants to take him, and thereby blockaded him on our territory," Mr. Putin said. "It's a Christmas present for us," he joked.The Russian president made the remarks during a question-and-answer session with students on an island in the Gulf of Finland. While there, he boarded an underwater rover resembling a medicinal gelatin capsule to have a look at an 1869 shipwreck, an experience that he said was akin to traveling in a time machine.Mr. Snowden, who is wanted by U.S. authorities for leaking information about the NSA's surveillance operations, gathered a group of prominent Russians at the airport Friday and asked them to help him gain asylum in Russia.The 30-year-old former security contractor described the move as a temporary measure until he can find a way to reach Latin American countries that have offered him safe harbor.Mr. Snowden told invitees that the Kremlin's condition for him to receive asylum—that he stops releasing information that harms Russia's "American partners"—isn't a problem.Mr. Putin recounted those conditions on Monday. "From the start, we made him an offer: 'If you want to stay, go ahead, but you will have to cease your political activities. We have certain relations with the United States and we don't want you to harm the relationship with the U.S. with your activities,' " Mr. Putin said."He said, 'No.'—You laugh but he was serious. He said, 'No, I want to continue my activities, I want to fight for human rights, I think that the U.S. is violating certain international norms, is intruding into private life and my goal is to fight against this.' 'We said, 'Fine, but then we won't be involved. We have our own things to fight against.' "Mr. Putin told the students that Mr. Snowden is now "starting to change his position, though the situation isn't completely clear yet." The president reiterated that he'd rather Mr. Snowden go elsewhere. "As soon as he's allowed to go somewhere else, I hope he will do that," Mr. Putin said.Invitees to Friday's tightly controlled meeting, which airport officials helped organize, included a number of prominent Kremlin loyalists, setting the stage for Mr. Putin to approve Mr. Snowden's request if he so chooses.It is unclear how Mr. Snowden drew up the invite list, which also included Kremlin critics such as representatives from Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International. The U.S. subsequently accused Russia of organizing a "propaganda platform" for Mr. Snowden.Russian officials said Monday that they had yet to receive an asylum application from Mr. Snowden.Anatoly Kucherena, a Kremlin-connected lawyer who attended Friday's meeting and has offered to help formulate Mr. Snowden's application, said Monday he hasn't heard from the former U.S. security contractor yet. But Mr. Kucherena said that judging by their conversation Friday, he expects Mr. Snowden to apply soon.Mr. Putin was also asked what will happen to Mr. Snowden in the end. "How would I know?" the president and former KGB agent said. "It's his life, his fate."

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Gugl je i zvanično zatražio dozvolu od srpskih vlasti da uvede Srbiju u projekat "strit vju" ...Za petak je u Novom Sadu tim povodom predviđen protest "STOP Guglu!" Poenta je da Gugl ovaj projekat koristi i za špijuniranje. Lutajući gradom, njihovo specijalno opremljeno vozilo kači se na neobezbeđene ili slabo obezbeđene "vajerles" mreže i krade lične podatke korisnika tih mreža ...

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Ovo je tacno i zbog toga su im na NZ urucili veliku kaznu i primorali da uniste sve podatke koje su tako prikupili.