whistleblowers: wikileaks, snowden i...

[DarkAttraktor]

evo sta kazu skeptici @ the national public radio

Why We Aren't Assuming Snowden Is On That Jet To HavanaTwitter has been abuzz with speculation that is on Aeroflot Flight 150, which is headed to Havana from Moscow as we write.What's the supposed evidence? the jet is on a route that avoids going over the U.S., instead of the , above Greenland, Canada and the eastern U.S.Could Russian authorities be doing Snowden a favor by avoiding the U.S. and the very remote possibility that the jet would be asked to land so that Snowden could be taken into custody? Now, we're not smarter than most folks (as many Two-Way readers frequently remind us). But we thought the evidence was scant — especially after NPR's Matt Stiles checked Aeroflot 150's last 93 trips from Moscow to Havana and noticed that it had taken the more direct route two other times. So, this has happened before.Then, it turns out that "a number of westbound trans-Atlantic flights are today taking this unusual southern route, apparently for weather-related reasons." There's turbulence over Greenland, it seems. There's also the point that even on this southerly route the jet will still pass through U.S. airspace for at least several hours. Of course, at some point Snowden almost surely has to leave the transit area of Moscow's international airport (where he's supposedly been for more than two weeks). , he likely could get asylum in Boliva, Nicaragua or Venezuela, and Cuba is a key stop on the way there if he flies commercial. And he does want to avoid coming to the U.S., where he's wanted for prosecution. So we'll watch to see if there are stories about him getting off that plane in Havana, and we'll report that news if he does. The flight is scheduled to land around 8:25 p.m. ET.Meanwhile, over whether Snowden had accepted Venezuela's asylum offer, we advise treating tweets with some skepticism.Update at 3:55 p.m. ET. Our Mistake About What's More Direct:As several readers pointed out, Thursday's route only looks more direct. Because of the Earth's curvature, it's actually not. We've deleted our misguided references to which way is shorter. Thanks for telling us, again, that we're not so smart.Update at 1:40 p.m. ET. More About How That Flight Path's Not So Unusual.FlightAware CEO has sent this statement to reporters:

"We are receiving a large volume of calls about asking if the Southern routing across the Atlantic Ocean is typical and asking if this routing avoids US airspace."Because of winds (which blow East), , up over Iceland, through Canada, and down the Eastern seaboard. However, on days when the winds are light or unusual, it can be more favorable to take a more Southern route which also avoids the additional overflight fees from Canada and the U.S. The route being flown today is comparable distance to the Northern/Canada route, although it appears significantly more direct due to flat projections of a curved Earth. The flight duration today is about the same as the last couple weeks, which suggest they're taking this routing due to winds/overflight fees. The last two times we saw this flight take a similar route were and ."On the route it's flying today, it will fly in U.S. airspace; the U.S. controls most of the Western half of the North Atlantic. To actually avoid U.S. airspace, a flight from Moscow to Havana would likely have to fly South to (approximately) Western Sahara and then West, which would be about 30% further than either of the routings discussed above."

[yolo]

ajde, sad - pusti nas da se lozimo. ja sve vreme zamisljam dvojicu nadrkanih bacuski u uniformama ruske avijacije kako voze airbus pun ruskih turista u havajkama koji nemaju pojma da je pitanje trenutka kada ce da ih dva F16 detoniraju u zaliv svinja....

[jms_uk]

Nesto je trokirao tracking :(

[Prospero]

Da li je moguce da nema nikakvih komentara na to da let Aeroflota za Havanu danas umesto preko Grenlanda i Amerike ide direktno preko Atlantika bez ulaska u US vazdusni prostor:http://flightaware.c...1005Z/UUEE/MUHAsvi ostali letovi prethodnih dana na istoj relaciji idu preko UShttp://flightaware.c...1121Z/UUEE/MUHAIz cega zakljucujem samo jedno:Go Snowden go! Jedan sat do sletanja u Havanu....

detektivišem^tm ali avion još nije zvanično sleteo, a trebalo je pre 15ak minuta, iako piše "on time". na ovoj tački stoji jedno 20+ minuta.

[yolo]

zaebano....

[Prospero]

last change 35 minutes ago... hmmedit: nadam se da ga namerno odlažu u prikazu statusa, ili je nešto već otišlo u q. vreme nad havanom ok, jose marti svakako nije preopterećen aerodrom da mora da radi loiter od pola sata.

[jms_uk]

I flightaware je promenio iz 'It's on its way' uStatus result unknown :(

[DarkAttraktor]

What does "result unknown" mean? It means that the estimated arrival time of the flight has passed without FlightAware marking the flight as "arrived." There are the most likely reasons why this happened: The aircraft left FlightAware's coverage area and data is no longer available. The controlling air traffic control facility did not send an arrival message for a flight, which is rare.

[Prospero]

možda su ga poslali brodom dok je ovo samo diverzija, brod je ionako sigurniji :)

[radisa]

A možda je neka budala u Pentagonu, u stilu loših filmova, odlučila da počne 3. svetski rat?

[yolo]

sumnjam da bi to pocelo 3. sv.rat, naprotiv

[Prospero]

dovukao se do havane, u svakom slučaju.

[yolo]

navodno je sleteo, bez snowdenahttp://rt.com/news/snowden-plane-route-cuba-965/

[Prospero]

a šta je radio sat vremena? aerial refueling?edit: počeo sam da paranoišem, bar se nisu skrljali negde.

[yolo]

Ovo je ludoMOSCOW, Russia – Edward Snowden, NSA whistleblower and fugitive, released documents Tuesday to Internet Chronicle reporters proving that the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program, or HAARP, is definitively engaged in a program of assassination and mind control.

Edited July 11, 2013 by gazza1