Budja Posted June 26, 2013 Posted June 26, 2013 Ne znam koliko je uopšte pametno Snowdenu da traži azil u nekoj od zemalja Latinske Amerike ili Islandu. Tamo može vrlo lako da bude žrtva nekog bizarnog incidenta ili kidnapovanja. Mislim da je prešao granicu posle koje se ne biraju sredstva u obračunu. Lako može da postane američki Litvinjenko.A gde ne moze?U Sing-Singu ili Juti?To su alternative?
Lord Protector Posted June 26, 2013 Posted June 26, 2013 (edited) A gde ne moze?U Sing-Singu ili Juti?To su alternative?Ne znam, nema dobrog rešenja. Odlazak u Latinsku Ameriku skopčan je sa velikim rizicima. Island je za nijansu bolje rešenje, ali ko može da garantuje da ga tamo neće naći duga ruka osvete? Ko će da štiti Snowdena na Islandu, veseli Islanđani sa čuvenim islandskim bezbednosnim službama? Ne znam da li ih uopšte imaju. Jedino ko može da ga zaštiti u ovom trenutku su Rusi i Kinezi. Ali sada mi se čini da niko od njih ne želi da kvari odnose sa Amerikom zbog tamo nekog Snowdena ( Rusi sada igraju putinovski jeftine političke igre sa Amerikancima, Snowdena bi prodali samo da se postigne njima odgovarajuća politička cena).U dosta je teškoj situaciji. Edited June 26, 2013 by slow
Prospero Posted June 27, 2013 Posted June 27, 2013 Meni ovo cekanje na seremetjevu sve vise znaci da rusi uopste nisu spremni da se ne ogrebu o snoudena i da im nije daleko od pameti da postignu neki dil sa bracom u vasingtonu.Malo bi ih kostalo, a u sledecih par godina bi zapusili usta skoro svakoj kritici da su antiamericki by default. Послато са HTC ChaCha A810e користећи Тапаток 2
Prospero Posted June 27, 2013 Posted June 27, 2013 sada malo lokalnog flavor-a, ili "kada je šef agencije sam svoj whistleblower" BIA u Strazburu26/06/2013Jubilarna 70. presuda Evropskog suda za ljudska prava u slučajevima koji se tiču Srbije, doneta je u utorak 25. juna po pritužbi Inicijative mladih za ljudska prava iz 2006. godine i nalaže državi da se postara da njena služba, Bezbednosno-informativna agencija, objavi koliko je ljudi prisluškivano tokom 2005. godine.Slučaj je u Strazburu razmatran na osnovu člana 10 Evropske konvencije o ljudskim pravima koja garantuje slobodu izražavanja, a iz kojeg izviru i međunarodne i domaće odredbe o slobodnom pristupu informacijama čije su kršenje 2006. već utvrdili Poverenik za slobodan pristup informacijama i Vrhovni sud Srbije.Tadašnji šef BIA Rade Bulatović nekažnjeno se oglušio o sudski nalog pa je država koja nije u stanju da sprovodi sopstvene zakone privedena sudijama u Strazburu.Te godine, podsetimo, Bulatovićev spor sa organizacijama za ljudska prava eskalirao je kada se javno pohvalio da Bezbednosno-informativna agencija „prati nevladine organizacije koje zloupotrebljavaju status NVO i koje se uglavnom finansiraju od onih centara iz inostranstva koji kasnije promovišu političke i bezbednosne zadatke, posebno na području raške oblasti i juga Srbije“.Mogućnost zloupotrebe tajne policije u političkom obračunu sa organizacijama građanskog društva motivisala je, između ostalog, Inicijativu mladih za ljudska prava da uputi zvaničan zahtev za otkrivanje broja prisluškivanih građana tokom 2005. godine. BIA je najpre odbila da otkrije ovaj podatak, pa je Inicijativa podnela pritužbu povereniku za informacije od javnog značaja. Naredbu poverenika BIA je testirala na Vrhovnom sudu, ali je na testu pala. Dve godine kasnije, 2008. kancelarija poverenika konačno je dobila odgovor – da BIA ne raspolaže traženom informacijom.Arhive radi, treba zabeležiti da se država od sopstvenih građana branila uveravajući sudije u Strazburu da je zahtev zastareo, da član 10 Evropske konvencije ne garantuje slobodu pristupa informacijama te da Inicijativi mladih informacija koju su tražili od BIA u stvari nije ni bila potrebna.Srbija ima pravo da uloži žalbu na presudu u roku od tri meseca. Obaveza da se obavesti o sadržaju i značenju Evropske konvencije o ljudskim pravima ispisana je između redova svih sedamdeset presuda u procesima koje je do sada izgubila u Strazburu. Nove uskoro slede.Pripremila Milica JovanovićPeščanik.net, 26.06.2013.Srodni linkovi:Sažetak presude
wall Posted June 27, 2013 Posted June 27, 2013 :isuse:No, koji mehanizam stoji iza provere da će dati tačne podatke?Recimo kažu evo, prisluškivali smo petoro, i pedesetšestoro...
Hella Posted June 27, 2013 Posted June 27, 2013 (edited) svi smo željno čekali Objašnjenje i konačno nam je stiglo:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iGM0OLR2tc Edited June 27, 2013 by Hella
Indy Posted June 27, 2013 Posted June 27, 2013 Americke databaze sa glasom Aleksandra Makedonskog, ftw!
Budja Posted June 27, 2013 Posted June 27, 2013 (edited) Sa BBCija;Ecuador said on Thursday it had not processed Mr Snowden's asylum request because he had not reached any of its diplomatic premises.The country also renounced its $23m (£15m) trade relationship with the US, saying its forthcoming renewal would not influence any decision on Mr Snowden's case."Ecuador will not accept pressures or threats from anyone, and it does not traffic in its values or allow them to be subjugated to mercantile interests," said government spokesman Fernando Alvarado.He also made an apparently tongue-in-cheek offer of economic aid to the US for human rights training.The remarks come a day after the chairman of the US Senate foreign relations committee, Robert Menendez, suggested punishing Ecuador economically if it offered asylum to Mr Snowden.Moja pretpostavka:U pitanju su, po ovim preferencijalima i po BBciju, male pare. Ugovor gotovo sigurno ne bio bio obnovljen te tako malo kosta da se preuzme moral high ground jednostranim ukidanjem.Istovremeno, Ekvador je ponudio SAD ekonomsku pomoc u iznosu carinskih preferencijala od 23 miliona dolara za ternign u oblasti ljudskih prava. A prethodno su americki mediji optuzili Evkador za prisluskivanje na osnovu dokumenta koji dokazuje kupovinu moderne izraelske opreme. Po mom sudu, u ovom slucaje je rec o cistoj americkoj propagandi. Edited June 27, 2013 by Budja
Budja Posted June 27, 2013 Posted June 27, 2013 Usual suspects: Oliver Stone, Noam Chomsky, Tom Hayden Urge President Correa to Grant Snowden Asylumhttp://www.justforeignpolicy.org/node/1421
Indy Posted June 28, 2013 Posted June 28, 2013 Za trenutak sam pomislio da su pisali Obami sa molbom da pomiluje Snowdena... treba da se odmorim, ocigledno.
Prospero Posted June 28, 2013 Posted June 28, 2013 kod obame nema šale: James Cartwright, Retired General, Targeted In Leak Probe: ReportsBy PETE YOST 06/27/13 10:34 PM ET EDTWASHINGTON -- A former vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is under investigation for allegedly leaking classified information about a covert cyberattack on Iran's nuclear facilities, according to media reports.Retired Marine Gen. James "Hoss" Cartwright has been told he is a target of the probe, NBC News and The Washington Post reported Thursday. A "target" is someone a prosecutor or grand jury has substantial evidence linking to a crime and who is likely to be charged.The Justice Department referred questions to the U.S. attorney's office in Baltimore, where a spokeswoman, Marcia Murphy, declined to comment.The investigation of the leak about the Iran cyberattack is one of a number of national security leak investigations that have been started by the Obama administration, including ones involving The Associated Press and Fox News.In June 2012, the New York Times reported that Cartwright was a crucial player in the cyber operation called Olympic Games, started under President George W. Bush.Bush reportedly advised President Barack Obama to preserve Olympic Games.According to the Times, Obama ordered the cyberattacks sped up, and in 2010 an attack using a computer virus called Stuxnet temporarily disabled 1,000 centrifuges that the Iranians were using to enrich uranium.Congressional leaders demanded a criminal probe into who leaked the information, and Obama said he had zero tolerance for such leaks. Republicans said senior administration officials had leaked the details to bolster the president's national security credentials during the 2012 campaign.The Times said Cartwright was one of the crucial players who had to break the news to Obama and Vice President Joe Biden that Stuxnet at one point had escaped onto the Internet.An element of the program accidentally became public in the summer of 2010 because of a programming error that allowed it to escape Iran's Natanz plant and sent it out on the Internet, the Times reported. After the worm escaped onto the Internet, top administration officials met to consider whether the program had been fatally compromised.Obama asked if the program should continue, and after hearing the advice of top advisers, decided to proceed.Cartwright, a four-star general, was cleared in February 2011 of misconduct involving a young aide. An anonymous accuser had claimed Cartwright acted inappropriately during a 2009 overseas trip on which the aide traveled as a military assistant. Several sources confirmed that the former aide was a young woman.The Pentagon inspector general quickly cleared Cartwright of the most serious allegations, which involved claims that he may have had an improper physical relationship with the woman. The report did find that Cartwright mishandled an incident in which the aide, drunk and visibly upset, visited his Tbilisi, Georgia, hotel room alone and either passed out or fell asleep on a bench at the foot of his bed. Cartwright denied any impropriety and was later cleared of all wrongdoing.Cartwright, once considered the leading candidate to become Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman, resigned from the military in August 2011.NBC said Cartwright did not respond to request for comment and that his attorney, former Obama White House counsel Greg Craig, said he had no comment.
noskich Posted June 28, 2013 Posted June 28, 2013 Ne, bato, ja se drzim poznatih fakata koliko mogu. Ne prihvatam olako teorije konspiracije i kafansku politiku tipa "ma oni to sve snimaju".A ovo sa magnetofonom ti je malo smesno, verovatno znas to. Snimali su trilione razgovora na magnetofonske trake, jel'da.Jel sad imas pouzdane fakte? I opet verujes u `demokratiju`?
Аврам Гојић Posted June 28, 2013 Posted June 28, 2013 to je stvar elementarnog poznavanja tehnologije...
Indy Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 http://new.livestream.com/accounts/4448875/GlennGreenwaldSpeaksOut
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