whistleblowers: wikileaks, snowden i...

[Indy]

Apsolutno podrzavam da se ta odgovornost ispita, cim se ispita odgovornost onog ko je te ratove zapoceo pre toga.

[luba]

wl nije "kriv" za odavanje identiteta, minimalan je broj poruka u kojima se pominju imena. slucaj o kome se najvise pricalo je ovaj, a i u njemu se radi o spekulacijama medija.pisali smo vec o tome, ali nije na odmet ponoviti. zbog obimnosti materijala, pozvani su mediji da pregledaju poruke i sami biraju koje ce objavljivati. uslov je bio da oni koji udju u dil razmenjuju obradjene i objavljene poruke. sam wl je angazovao nekoliko stotina volontera (novinara, studenata itd) koji su pregledavali poruke i slali ih u zajednicki "basket" iz kog su svi "partneri" mogli da uzimaju one koji su im zanimljivi. volonteri su morali da potpisu confidentiality agreement, sve sa pravnim obavezama itd. imena ljudi koji nisu politicari, diplomate itd su, uglavnom, vec bila ili sifrovana ili samo inicijali u orginalnim porukama.naravno da je moguce da je nesto procurilo ili namerno sapnuto negde, ali sam dosta sigurna da je, ako se to i desilo, krenulo iz partnerskih medija.jeste da je iz zulijanovih usta, ali je dobro podsecanje.

Edited December 3, 2012 by luba

[Indy]

To se pitanje dosta često poteže (ponekad i iz nesumnjivo poštenih namera, mada ne uvek). Kada je Žižek bio gost ovde prošle godine u TV studiju i zapričao se kao zahuktala lokomotiva o nečemu drugom (u vezi WL), neko mu je upao sa pitanjem o zaštiti imena. On je onako u žaru samo odmahnuo rukom, želeći da kaže da to pitanje nije relevantno (u smislu u kom luba objašnjava iznad), međutim prisutni psiholog, stručnjak za psihopate, tu ga je baš izroštiljao (malte ne da je SŽ iskazao simptom psihopatologije, olako odbacujući mogućnost da su pojedinci izloženi opasnosti).Bez ulaženja u nekakve teorije zavere, blizu je zdrave pameti da oni kojima WL ne odgovara imaju dosta spremne municije, da se tako izrazim. Zato mislim da njih jednostavno treba kontrapitati, a šta sa stotinom hiljada mrtvih Iračana, što je rezultat politike tih za koje ste zabrinuti, ko se time uopšte bavi? (Osim par verskih dobrotvornih organizacija - niko). Ko je onda tu iskazao 1 psihopatološko ponašanje... Da li npr. štovana Medlinka za koju je bilo "vredno" žrtvovati iračku decu (ma šta da je u stvari htela reći - to je ono što je rekla), ili zatočeni WL-ikijanci.

Edited December 3, 2012 by Indy

[Аврам Гојић]

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Edited December 3, 2012 by Marko M. Dabovic

[Indy]

jeste da je iz zulijanovih usta, ali je dobro podsecanje.

A, pa to je nešto novo! Hvala na linku, nisam video (jes da vrtim Huffington svaki dan, ali je sav šaren i blesav i brzo se smorim).

[luba]

posle dve godine, jedino sto, vrlo uslovno receno, vidim kao "gresku" u vezi sa objavljivanjem poruka jeste relativno slabo obezbedjeno partnerstvo sa medijima. to jest, jasno mi je i istina je da je to bilo jedino resenje za prolazenje kroz onoliku hrpu podataka i jeste da su u medijima bili angazovani ljudi koji su, ajde tako da kazemo, bili dokazano "nezavisni" od uticaja, ali novinar je novinar, ako vidi priliku za scoop, nece je propustiti, bilo iz zelje za slavom ili zelje za istinom. problem je u tome sto je danas malo onih koji su podatke iz poruka iskoristili za razradu informacije, kako bi po nekim starinskim a danas skoro zaboravljenim pravilima trebalo da bude.prvobitna ideja, koja jeste delimicno zazivela, bila je da sve poruke ostanu na wl sajtu za svakog ko zeli da ih procita, prouci itd, ali zbog vec dobro poznatih razloga to nije funkcionisalo bas tako.dobro, moze se reci da je i mana to sto je zulijen, takav kakav je i ne ukljucujuci seks-optuzbe, postao signifier celog projekta, umesto da projekat bude u prvom planu.@indi, resenje za huff post je twitter. jes da bombarduju i tu, ali bar ne moras da preko kim kardasijan trazis zulijena.

Edited December 3, 2012 by luba

[Indy]

Pa, to ima neke veze s tim što druga strana "igra čoveka", a ne toliko loptu. Sve više mislim da tako mora da bude, i da je na čelu WL neko drugi, isto bi bilo.

[luba]

verovatno.na pocetku se islo na to da se on ni ne pojavljuje, ideja je bila dosta anonymous stil, postoji dvoje koji ce davati izjave, a zulijen i moj mili dzejkob, da budu potpuno van paznje javnosti. e sad, zasto se preokrenulo, ne znam.nego, malo off, odavno mislim da ti preporucim knjigu koja ce ti biti zanimljiva, a i svima koje to zanima, ali stalno zaboravljam. cini mi se da je ovde cela, samo sam preletela.evo ga tizerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk8x3V-sUgU

Edited December 3, 2012 by luba

[Indy]

Ovo je igra koju su spremili JA. (Bio bi totalni antiklimaks da posle saslušanja u ŠveCkoj lepo sedne na avion i dođe kući u Australiju... U suštini, ovi koji nesumnnjivo nemaju njegovo dobro na srcu, verovatno bi ga tako najbolje i zayebali).

Assange will go to Sweden: diplomatsDecember 4, 2012 - 8:36PMAUSTRALIAN government officials believe that WikiLeaks is ''broken'' and that Julian Assange has no alternative other than to surrender for extradition to Sweden to face sexual assault allegations.They do not rule out the WikiLeaks publisher's eventual extradition to the United States.As Assange nears six months' confinement in Ecuador's London embassy, security and diplomatic sources in Canberra have privately expressed confidence that WikiLeaks is ''effectively moribund''.It is thought that the transparency group's dwindling financial support will ''sooner or later dry up'' leaving Assange ''irrelevant and with little alternative other than to leave Ecuador's embassy''.''This is slowly playing itself out, over months, maybe more than a year, but there's only one likely outcome - extradition to Sweden,'' a diplomatic source said last week.One security official claimed WikiLeaks' ''inner group'' now comprised only ''four to six people, including Assange'' and that its website was ''running on empty'' financially.''WikiLeaks doesn't have an electronic drop box any more; they haven't published anything of any great consequence for many months. There's just a Twitter feed. This phenomenon has run its course,'' he said.In June, Assange sought asylum in Ecuador's embassy after Britain's highest court rejected his appeal against extradition to face sexual assault allegations in Sweden.Ecuador granted his asylum application on the grounds that extradition to Sweden would risk further extradition to the United States to face conspiracy or other charges arising from WikiLeaks obtaining thousands of leaked US military and diplomatic secret reports.European Commissioner for Home Affairs Cecilia Malmstrom this week called on Assange to ''just go'' to Sweden to ''answer the questions'', dismissing the threat of his onward extradition as ''purely theoretical''.Australian officials expect little to change in his circumstances for the next few months, at least until after the court martial of US Army private Bradley Manning in March. Manning is accused of leaking the files.US military prosecutors may present further evidence concerning WikiLeaks' contact with and alleged assistance to the US Army private who faces a possible life sentence for ''aiding the enemy'' by disclosing classified military information.A government legal adviser described Assange as having ''imprisoned himself for fear of imprisonment. He will probably wait and see what further evidence emerges in Manning's court martial, but regardless of that, he has only two options: stay put in the embassy indefinitely or accept extradition to Sweden.''The Australian government has repeatedly denied knowledge of any US intention to charge Assange or seek his extradition. But Australian diplomatic cables released to Fairfax Media under freedom-of-information laws over the past 18 months confirmed the continuation of an ''unprecedented'' US Justice Department espionage investigation targeting Assange and WikiLeaks.Further cables released under FOI this week show Australian diplomats urgently contacted the Pentagon following Fairfax Media reports in September that WikiLeaks and its supporters had been labelled as ''the enemy'' in a US counter-espionage investigation.

[Indy]

Bradleyjev tretman je tretman za primer a) drugima kojima padne na pamet da prijave nepočinstva koja vide, b) Kinezima i ostalima, da se pokaže da je USofA i dalje 1 tvrd igrač.

The lawyer representing the US army private accused of leaking classified information to WikiLeaks says his client's treatment is a stain on American history.David Coombs has spoken publicly for the first time about the case against Private Bradley Manning, whose court martial is due to start in March.Two-and-a-half years since he was arrested in Iraq, where he had been working as an intelligence analyst, the 24-year-old's case still has not come to fruition.Pre-trial hearings are bogged down in argument about the way Manning was treated in detention during his nine months at Quantico marine base in Virginia, and before that in Kuwait.In hearings at the Fort Meade military base last week, Manning spoke publicly for the first time, telling how he was made to sleep naked and admitting he had suicidal thoughts, believing he would die in detention.His lawyer contends Manning's treatment has been so harsh, the whole prosecution should be thrown out."Brad's treatment at Quantico will forever be etched in our nation's history as a disgraceful moment in time," Mr Coombs said."The treatment was not only stupid and counterproductive, it was criminal."

[luba]

posle dzejkoba, jos jedan nerd koji mi je osvojio srce. i usput, verovatno jedan od najboljih tekstova evah. rs brani cast novinarstva danas.

Jack was part of the Chicago alternative scene of the 1980s that spawned iconic punk auteur Steve Albini. He raised his boys, who were nicknamed "Hanson" because of their long hair, to pursue whatever path appealed to them. Jason, a sensitive jokester, was a musician like his father. Jeremy, the quieter, more thoughtful of the two, was the schemer – the little boy who, at two, climbed to the top of the kitchen pantry to retrieve money he'd seen his mother hiding there. Jack, who earned about $35,000 a year as a guitar teacher and received child support from Rose, would later say he and the boys were "the world champs of living cheaply and well" in a do-it-yourself kind of way.Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/the-rise-and-fall-of-jeremy-hammond-enemy-of-the-state-20121207#ixzz2Epd0K31y

[aram]

odlican tekst :Hail:bem ti, progutao sam ga, idem sad ponovo da iscitam, natenane :D

Edited December 12, 2012 by aram

[Indy]

Provala u Stratfor je bila 1 masterpiece. Ne da ce to izmeniti bilo sta narocito...

[Indy]

Ne znam da li ce ista biti od ovoga, ali malo-malo osvane po neki clanak da ce se Julian kandidovati za australijski senat, a sad pise i da se priprema osnivanje WikiLeaks partije.

[aram]

ja glasao :)