Formula 1

[namenski]

Само што више места за разноразне налепнице, рекламе, тај рад...

Батаљујте ви ово господо Формулаши, убивена је давно такозвана формула, нема ништа од тога...

[Jimmy Kowalski]

Tebe niko ne tera da pratis, pusti druge da to rade..

[namenski]

Па ни теби нисам забранио, одакле ти уопште помисао?

[Jimmy Kowalski]

Cemu onda poziv? Sta je svrha takvog posta?

[namenski]

Онако, за записник.

Није важно, заборави  ;)

[John Coltrane]

Slazem se da je F1 odavno otisao u qrac, just for the record.

[Jimmy Kowalski]

To je ono cuveno opste mesto o "dobrim staaaaarim vremenima" i idealizacija proslosti. Tako se i 80-ih pricalo da je F1 otisla u kurac i da su 70-te bile mnogo bolje. Pa su dosle 90-te, pa se onda kukalo za 80-im. U tom smislu se nastavilo i posle 2000.

 

A ljudi masovno i dalje prate to takmicenje koje je "odavno otislo u kurac". Cudo jedno..

Edited March 4, 2016 by Jimmy Kowalski

[Sludge Factory]

Perception Is Reality

FEATURE BY MAT COCH

07/03/2016

 

Formula One is in desperate trouble and, unless it does something to stem the tide of fans leaving the sport it faces risk of collapse.

It's an opening line that could have been used at almost any point in the sport's 60-plus year history. It was true when the sport ran to Formula 2 regulations, when advertising was introduced, ground effects, tobacco advertising was banned, the influx of gadgets and gizmos in the early 1980s.

It was true then, it is true now. The obstacles it faces may be different, but the broad headlines have always been the same.

 

Formula One's problem is one of image and perception. It has made itself out to be the pinnacle of motor sport though there are good arguments to be made against this.

 

It claims to have the best drivers, despite the most exciting youngster since Lewis Hamilton currently twiddling his fingers in Japan.

Teams boast they've the brightest engineers, all tasked not with engineering innovation but exploring grey areas in what has become an over regulated competition.

 

Formula One is made up of only the best motorsport teams in the world, if you choose to believe them.

 

The problem is none of that is true, but that Formula One has promoted itself as such for so long it has begun to believe its own hype.

 

Formula One is the pinnacle of open wheel motor sport, of that there is no argument. Over the past three decades as its presence on global television has increased so too has its popularity. Many of viewers have little grasp (or interest) of the sport prior to the 'Bernie era', and so have bought into the concept that the sport is a flat-out race from lights to flag made up of the best drivers employed by the best teams driving the best cars.

 

It's total nonsense, but it's been sold so hard for so long that we believe it. Even the drivers believe it and, most worrying, the sport has come to believe it too. It is PR hype, and when you believe your own hype you are in trouble.

 

That's where the sport now finds itself. The issue it faces is one of perception, not one of finance or competition. For decades the sport has been banging its drum to position itself at the top of the tree, and the problem with being in that position is that it puts a target on your back. Every other category looks for ways to knock you off your perch and the media is only too willing to fire a shot from a grassy knoll in the pursuit of eyeballs. And so things like pay drivers get raised, though they've been the cornerstone of the sport since its very inception. Anything that doesn't tally with the sport's position as the grand poohbah of motorsport is pounced on, even if it means digging through the trash.

 

That invariably creates negative headlines, which is perfectly fine because nothing sells newspapers like hysteria and negativity. When was the last time you saw a picture of a puppy on the front page? We're all guilty of it, vicariously living through the misfortune of others, it's basically how the news media industry works.

 

But let's be perfectly frank and admit that racing in recent seasons has been good. There will be some who long for what they view as the glory years of the sport; when drivers pushed all the way; when there was perhaps greater variety; when there wasn't so much money involved. However I challenge you to watch a race from that era now (I really, really challenge you, since FOM makes it damn near impossible for large parts) and be entertained.

 

Aside from the odd thriller, which can be cherry-picked picked from any era to support whichever argument you choose, Formula One has always been, on track, more or less what it is now; the best qualified at the front and typically went on to win a cabinet full of trophies.

Formula One has always been comparatively processional. Sure, there have been some corkers but by and large the best team and driver runs away with it. A lot.

 

Jackie Stewart won 27 grands prix from 99 starts. He raced in Formula One for eight seasons and won a third of the races he entered before retiring in 1973. Jim Clark was similarly dominant while none have the starts-to-wins ratio of the maestro himself, Juan-Manuel Fangio, 24 wins from 514 starts.

 

The sport has always had its dominant drivers; the difference now is it gets broadcast into our homes in detail it's never had before. We understand how a driver won, why they won and, more importantly, why the other guy lost. And that's a problem because there is no mystery left, there is no romance in the knowledge that Lewis Hamilton has the sort of divine talents the likes of Clark, Stewart and Fangio had. We know he did it on strategy, by carrying more speed in the second sector because he ran a higher rear wing and was therefore able to open a two-tenth gap each and every lap. Television has killed the racing car star.

 

As a consequence we no longer live in awe of these men. We are no longer impressed by their ability to dominate their competitors. It makes the racing boring and therefore we long for some action. We want to see them going wheel-to-wheel and there is a growing push in recent years to manufacture that, no matter the cost.

 

I don't believe Formula One is in crisis. As fans tune out and sponsors leave, teams will be forced to downsize and change the way they go racing. That's perfectly normal. It happened when computers were introduced into the design office, it happened when test teams were cut. Like it or not the sport is going to change, something we humans are not naturally tolerant of.

 

However, what those in power need to be aware of is trivialising the sport in pursuit of maintaining an audience, and losing itself as a result.

Formula One has its problems, but every business has. The difference is they aren't broadcast around the world every second weekend with a pack of salivating journalists looking to justify their expense accounts.

 

Between Formula One insisting it is the biggest and best motor sport category in the world, and the media pulling it to shreds, we've been brainwashed into believing the sport is something it's never been.

 

Mat Coch

 

 

[John Coltrane]

To je ono cuveno opste mesto o "dobrim staaaaarim vremenima" i idealizacija proslosti. Tako se i 80-ih pricalo da je F1 otisla u kurac i da su 70-te bile mnogo bolje. Pa su dosle 90-te, pa se onda kukalo za 80-im. U tom smislu se nastavilo i posle 2000.

 

A ljudi masovno i dalje prate to takmicenje koje je "odavno otislo u kurac". Cudo jedno..

 

Mene je samo smorilo milion pravila,novih, koja se posle 2 sezone ukidaju. Takodje sve vise i vise je akcenat na "mehanici" a sve manje na kvalitetu vozaca. Mozda gresim, ali ja to tako vidim.

A to sto i dalje pratim (i navijam za McLaren) je samo moja mazohisticka strana licnosti.

[Dark Wader]

dolaskom i dominacijom fabričkih timova, F1 se nužno pretvorio u ovo što jeste sada... Sa druge strane,vazda je nešto oko F1 bilo "komplikovano"..

No tu je sada Formula E koja je za sada "trkačkija" od F1, a i bliže ukusu digitalnog gledališta (fan boost, etc)..

[namenski]

To je ono cuveno opste mesto o "dobrim staaaaarim vremenima" i idealizacija proslosti. Tako se i 80-ih pricalo da je F1 otisla u kurac i da su 70-te bile mnogo bolje. Pa su dosle 90-te, pa se onda kukalo za 80-im. U tom smislu se nastavilo i posle 2000.

 

A ljudi masovno i dalje prate to takmicenje koje je "odavno otislo u kurac". Cudo jedno..

Pa nece biti da je bas (sve) tako: mozemo od poodavno, a i ne moramo, ali hajde prvo da se vidimo cemu sve to i zar bas tako mora.

Na stranu nuzna, pozeljna i opsta komercijalizacija.

Na stranu podredjivanje i povladjivanje medijima.

Na stranu cinjenica da je u staaara, dobra vremena vazila kao bajagi sema da se u F1 ispituju tehnicke auto andrmolje za siru primenu, a to nikad nije bilo tacno, barem ne toliko da bi moglo da se koristi kao jedan od razloga za postojanje cele stvari.

Ostaje samo ona stara covek protiv masine, covek i masina, covek i vreme, da ne nabrajam dalje, tek - ni od toga nema nista.

U sportu, pravila sluze da otezaju igru, da je uvedu u neke okvire, regulisu i sprece, koliko-toliko, neravnopravnost rivala u delu koji se odnosi na pre svega muljanje ili zloupotrebu prednosti posignutih ne vestinom nego nekim drugim sredstvima, na silu recimo.

U takozvanim, 'ajde da ih tako nazovem tehnickim sportovima, na pravila je dodat i jedan poprilicno zajeban moment, takozvani hendikep, koji od - konjskih trka do jedrenja - nekim merljivim elementima izjednacava angazovane ljude stavljajuci na probu pre svega njihovu vestinu, a minimalizujuci takozvane tehnicke prednosti.

U F1 pravila su sve vise, danas iskljucivo, u funkciji pre svega medija - sto je najvecim delom i dovelo do sranja, a zatim svega ostalog: osnovni i jedini motiv koji bi imao smisla bio bi ili sloboda konstruktorima da smisle sve i svasta u okviru zadatih ogranicenja koja su poprilicno jednostavna kada je u pitanju tehnologija motora sa unutrasnjim sagorevanjem, ili, paradoksalno - trke vozaca koji svi voze identicne automobile.

Postojeca pravila i procesi koji su doveli do danasnje situacije bili su, a i to neprincipijelno - samo i iskljucivo u funkciji sprecavanja da jedan proizvodjac nekom inovacijom na pocetku sezone ostvari toliku prednost da ga ostali tokom sezone tesko ili nikako ne mogu da dostignu, sto bi trke ucinilo neinteresantnim kako publici, tako i sponzorima.

Rezultat je bio da su iz igre ispali mali konstruktori, inace istorijski najveci izvor inovacija, a F je pripala u potpunosti velikim korporacijama.

Sledeci rezultat je bio da su vozaci, kao u svakoj industriji zabave, postali - zvezde i zvezdice.i to u najgorem smislu, a da su se pri tom zombirali do nezamislivih granica: to vise nisu, odnosno sve manje su ljudi, ljudska bica sa manama, a sve vise roboti kod kojih je takozvana fizicka priprema vaznija od umeca voznje - sta god to znacilo jer danas, bojim se, ne znaci ama bas nista, odnosno znaci sve manje.

Jeste ogavan motiv, koji se - hteli to da priznamo ili ne - provlaci kroz celu istoriju auto trka, F1 narocito: cekanje da se nesto dogodi: taj motiv vazi i danas, ali se - u pokusajima da se kao bajagi poveca sigurnost i vozaca i publike - otislo u drugu krajnost, pa se tako od vozaca F1 danas trazi/ocekuje da vozi u bezbednijim uslovima nego takozvani prosecan ucesnik u saobracaju, a da pri tom publici i medijima obezbedi ureno placenu kolicinu adrenalina.

Ostale bljuvotine da ne pominjem.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Jimmy Kowalski]

 

 

 

 

Odlican tekst..

 

@Coltrane

 

Voziti danasnje bolide je zahtevnije nego one od pre 20-30... godina, tako da je itekako potrebno veliko vozacko umece. To i stare vozacke kajle odaju priznanje danasnjoj generaciji vozaca. Normalno je da se tehnologija razvija, da su bolidi kompleksnije masine, ali to upravo i otezava posao vozacima (suprotno opste uvrezenom misljenju da je nikad lakse upravljati).

 

Za pravila se slazem. I mene nerviraju ceste promene i gomila losih propisa. Ali, tako je oduvek bilo.

 

Sustina problema medjutim nije u nekom matorom Berniju, kao "gazdi" takmicenja, nego u timovima. Svako gleda svoj interes (sto je i logicno) i zato nema tog dogovora oko kljucnih pitanja. Postojala je trunka nade da ce se stvari mozda promeniti kada je formirana FOTA, ali je brzo postalo jasno da timovi ne mogu da se usaglase ni oko cega.

 

I da se vratim na onu pocetnu premisu od koje je i krenula rasprava. Svako ko tvrdi da je Formula 1 otisla (odavno) u kurac, a i dalje revnosno prati, taj laze sebe. Da, svako od nas zeli da to izgleda malo drugacije, ali da se ne lazemo, ko se jednom navukao, navukao se for life..

[Mr.Mxyzptlk]

nego moze li ferari ove godine do titule?

[Jimmy Kowalski]

Nema sanse..

 

Merdza je opet ispred svih. Mozda Vettel uleti izmedju Hamiltona i Rosberga, to bi bio neki maksimum..

[namenski]

 

Voziti danasnje bolide je zahtevnije nego one od pre 20-30... godina, tako da je itekako potrebno veliko vozacko umece. To i stare vozacke kajle odaju priznanje danasnjoj generaciji vozaca. Normalno je da se tehnologija razvija, da su bolidi kompleksnije masine, ali to upravo i otezava posao vozacima (suprotno opste uvrezenom misljenju da je nikad lakse upravljati).

 

Zahtevnije, ali - fizicki.

Otuda sve nabildovaniji zombiji roboti u ulozi vozaca.

Sto se takozvanog vozackog umeca tice: kao prvo - niko ne zna sta je to, i medju takozvanim obicnim, svakodnevnim vozacima, feli u kojoj nije zabelezen ni jedan jedini los vozac, a narocito medju danasnjim vozacima F1 kod kojih se takozvano vozacko umece sve vise svodi na pritiskanje dugmica i uskladjivanje elektronike.

Od uslovno merljivih elemenata, nema sanse da je lakse ili 'lakse' svejedno bilo voziti nekadasnji auto F1 sa gumama sirine 20-ak cm, snage 500 KS i sa takozvanom rucnom transmisijom, nego danasnji pazeni i mazeni auto F1.

Posredni dokaz je i sve veca mladost, prosecna naravno, danasnjih vozaca: nema sanse da se takozvano umece voznje u klasicnom smislu - sta god to znacilo - savlada do godina u kojima danasnji vozaci postaju zvezde.

Selekcija se stravicno suzila zahvaljujuci povecem broju elemenata: zbog enormnog poskupljenja samog ucestvovanja u auto sportu, broj ljudi koji mogu da se oprobaju smanjio se i sveo na probranu grupu parajlija kojima je dostupno danasnje trkanje, dok je tehnicko znanje modernih vozaca minimalno, pa tako nekad nije bilo nista neobicno da timski mehanicar postane uspesan vozac.

Sve ovo nije hommage proslim dobrim starim vremenima, nego je jednostavno konstatovanje cinjenice da je F1 postala parada nekoliko firmi i nekoliko imena, parada u kojoj se vec godinama vrte iste price i iste nazovi dileme u zatvorenom krugu.

Jednom recju - jalovo.

I dosadno.

 

Uostalom, samo primera radi:

 

 

Edited March 10, 2016 by namenski