Grčka - enormni dug, protesti oko mera štednje

[Muwan]

To isti onaj zamenik Minfina koji je upravo podneo ostavku zajedno sa sekretarom ministarstva?

[vememah]

Ne. Ostavku su podneli zamenica (za finansije) Valavani i sekeretar Manusakis. Ovaj Mardas je zamenik za prihode.

 

I Kameron stigao na tapet:

 

Syriza accuse Cameron of being "cold-hearted"

Our man in Athens, Colin Freeman, has been speaking to Syriza officials about the UK's objections to helping Greece secure some bridging financing.

Greece's ruling Syriza party has accused David Cameron of being mean over his objections to allowing British taxpayer's money to be used to help Athens meet upcoming debt payments.

The prime minister has said that he does not want the European Financial Stabilisation Mechanism - of which the UK pays around 14% - to secure €7bn in loans to Athens, on the basis that it could expose the Treasury to £690m of liabilities in the event of a default.

A compromise has now been agreed, whereby any risks to the UK will be underwritten by other European funds.

But Mr Cameron's attitude was described as cold-hearted by Nikos Xydakis, a deputy culture minister in Syriza.

"Mr Cameron must explain to the European people and 11 million Greeks why he wants them to suffer a social crisis," Mr Xydakis told The Telegraph.

"This is not about politics, this is about human souls. British people have fought wars, they have a strong conscience. This about history, not logistics."

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11738150/Greece-news-live-Britain-gets-slap-in-the-face-as-Brussels-defies-Cameron-opposition-over-Greek-loans.html

Edited July 15, 2015 by vememah

[Аврам Гојић]

Ako dobro razumem, sada je vecina clanova Centralnog komiteta Sirize otvoreno protiv plana, a opozicione stranke ne zele da ulaze u koncentracionu vladu.

Cipras - lame duck, dakle. 
I sta dalje?

[Dagmar]

... onda zašto se za ime sveta traži način da Grčka ostane u evrozoni? Zašto Nemci treba da po treći put dreše kesu dok im siromaštvo kod kuće raste?

 

Meni je mnogo zanimljivije pitanje kako to da u jednoj Nemackoj, koja valjda nikad ovoliko nije izvozila, siromastvo raste? Sumnjam da je zbog pomoci Grckoj.

[vememah]

Cipras je dosta dobro raspoložen s obzirom na okolnosti, čak se i izljubio sa Zoi.

 

[vememah]

Holandski parlament nije srećan zbog MMF-ove analize održivosti duga:

 

DUTCH PARLIAMENT tells government: React to IMF report or we won’t discuss bailout

In the Netherlands, the Parliament is pushing the government to react to the IMF report that questions the current bailout.

Parliament will not debate the agreement on the bailout before the government reacts, it has made clear Wednesday.

Dutch PM Mark Rutte and Finance Minister Jeroen Dijsselbloem (who chairs the Eurogroup) are to defend the deal in the national parliament on Thursday. It’s one in many debates in national parliaments that could make or break the deal struck between eurozone leaders Monday morning.

A report was leaked Tuesday showing the IMF is nudging others creditors to come to a clear deal on debt relief, too.

http://www.politico.eu/article/live-greece-votes-debt-tsipras/

[Аврам Гојић]

Dakle definitivno Atina veceras glasa za plan koga zapravo jos nema.

[MancMellow]

 

Jos jednom - siromastvo se u Nemackoj kao i u drugim EZ drazavama kreditorima povecava.

 

 

Dobro je da smo se na kraju slozili da je tekuca ekonomska politika u Evrozoni promasena

[Muwan]

Dakle definitivno Atina veceras glasa za plan koga zapravo jos nema.

Bitno je da ga izglasaju, tačan sadržaj će biti lako dogovoriti

[vememah]

Varufakis objavio disekciju dogovora postignutog na samitu Evrozone:

http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2015/07/15/the-euro-summit-agreement-on-greece-annotated-by-yanis-varoufakis/

 

Dikson to prokomentarisao sledećim rečima:

 

Was Tsipras better off with Varoufakis inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pudding in?

 

Na to je dobio odgovor jedne grčke novinarke:

 

Some might argue he was inside the tent pissing in.

[Muwan]

Ne zna se ko je vickastiji, on ili ona. A Varufakis je svakako ključan faktor ove priče, bez njega bi dug Grčke već bio prepolovljen a u evrozoni bi mali jednorozi skakutali ispod duge.

[gospa buba]

Dakle definitivno Atina veceras glasa za plan koga zapravo jos nema.

a nisu neki radikali tamo?

[vememah]

Zanimljiva diskusija dvojice kolumnista FT-a Britanca Rahmana i Nemca Minhaua na podkastu tog lista o sistemskim problemima Evrozone i izlasku iz njih.

http://podcast.ft.com/pop_up_player.php?pid=2852

[Prospero]

OPINION 

 

#ThisWasNotACoup

Alexis Tsipras is either a liar or a resident of Lalaland.

 

By HUGO DIXON

15/7/15, 11:58 AM CET

 

ATHENS — Late on Sunday the Twitter hashtag #ThisIsACoup went viral around the world. Many observers became convinced that Germany was bullying Greece into submission and forcing its prime minister to sign up to humiliating measures its people had just rejected in a referendum.

 

But this was not a coup. It was Alexis Tsipras, not the other European leaders, who rejected the wishes of his people. The others leaders — who, in any case, are responsible to their own people rather than to the Greeks — were resigned to Athens leaving the euro. If Tsipras was humiliated, that was largely his own fault.

 

He called a referendum the previous week. He stoked up the people’s feelings of affronted pride and urged them to say “no” to a bailout program that was less harsh than the one he ultimately agreed to. He told them that doing so would increase his bargaining power.

 

Tsipras was either lying or living in Lalaland. The referendum left Greece with two choices: quit the euro or beg for mercy. The same night that Tsipras won his plebiscite, he performed a volte-face and decided to sue for peace.

 

But didn’t the creditors rub Tsipras’ nose in the dirt when he realized the errors of his ways? The truth is that Germany’s Finance Minister, Wolfgang Schäuble, did — a bit. He put forward an idea that Athens should park €50 billion of assets in a Luxembourg company he happened to chair. He also proposed that, if Tsipras didn’t do a deal, Greece should take a five-year time-out from the euro — as if the people would want to re-enter the eurozone after going through all the agony of quitting it.

 

Schäuble should never have made these insensitive suggestions. But they were ultimately rejected. The final deal was fairly reasonable, albeit tough and fraught with danger.

 

But didn’t the creditors close the Greek banks in order to bring Tsipras to heel? Didn’t the European Central Bank deliberately instigate a bank run when, in fact, its responsibility is to act as a lender of last resort?

 

In one word, no. Although The Daily Telegraph’s Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, among others, has argued that the ECB deliberately provoked a bank run, he has not provided a shred of evidence to back up this extravagant claim.

 

It’s not quite true, either, that the ECB must always act as a lender of last resort. Central banks only do this if banks that need cash can provide adequate assets in return.

 

The snag is that the Greek government has guaranteed many of the assets its lenders have been pawning to get cash. When Tsipras urged the people to vote No in the referendum, the risk of Athens going bust shot up. It was, therefore, virtually impossible for the ECB to say honestly that the assets pawned by the banks were worth as much. So the banks were closed.

 

It is true that this outcome could have been avoided if the eurozone governments had agreed to extend Greece’s last bailout program, which expired on June 30. The ECB might then have been able to argue that the banks should be kept open until the result of the referendum was known. Although it might have been wiser if the eurozone had done this, it is quite understandable that they didn’t given that Tsipras was calling for a No vote.

 

The Greek prime minister should have known the closure of the banks was a risk when he proposed his referendum — which, by the way, was a travesty of democracy in that the question was obscure and it was held with just eight days’ notice.

 

But aren’t the creditors partly responsible for Greece’s plight? They should have never lent it all that money in the first place. Quite so. Because of this, they certainly have a duty to help clear up the mess.

 

That said, Tsipras is in a terrible bind largely because he made wild promises he couldn’t keep, was not on top of important detail, wasted time with inflammatory rhetoric and made a series of bad miscalculations. He is not the victim of a coup.

 

[vememah]

FR:

l'Assemblée s'est prononcée POUR l'accord européen sur Grece : 412 députés ont voté "pour" ; 69 "contre" et 49 se sont abstenus