Grčka - enormni dug, protesti oko mera štednje

[Budja]

Armchair radikalna levica.

 

 

 

Demands that the controversial reforms be approved by the Greek government and enacted into law by Wednesday were described as “utter blackmail” by leading party members and met with stunned disbelief.

 

Eh, gde su staaari revolucionari.

[Prospero]

^^Mala Antanta :D

 

 

Apsolutno nije, bar sa racionalnog aspekta i barem u ovim okolnostima. Ako je bolje da im plate padnu na petinu sadašnjih i na ulicama krenu devize, devize... onda dobro™. Namera za nameru, to Nemcima na dušu.

 

 

Jedno je kad jedan takav nikada integrisani ode iz celovite EU, drugo kad ode posle prethodnog kick-outa. Obaška što je ovo rocket boost za we told you so ekipu u Londonu.

 

Zaboravljaš neracionalnost davanja još 80+ milijardi evra od strane EZ, na svu onu muku dole.

 

 

 

 

 

Jel se MMF oglašavao o održivosti duga? 

[MancMellow]

Obaška što je ovo rocket boost za we told you so ekipu u Londonu.

 

I to ne na desnici!

 

case in point

 

 

videcemo kako ce se ovo zavrsiti ali da je sutra referendum ovde u uk, ladno bih glasao za izlazak iz eu. znam, sve mi je jasno al mnogo je gadno sve ovo. 

 

Edited July 12, 2015 by MancMellow

[vememah]

Ceo članak Helene Smit o stanju u Sirizi:

 

Syriza in shock over creditors' demands

Helena Smith
Over in Athens there is mounting angst that if Greece is pushed too far, political turbulence will almost certainly erupt.
 
While Greece’s fate was being debated in Brussels, in Athens the ruling radical left Syriza party was exhibiting signs of disintegration. Demands that the controversial reforms be approved by the Greek government and enacted into law by Wednesday were described as “utter blackmail” by leading party members and met with stunned disbelief.

Although sources close to prime minister Alexis Tsipras said the leader was now determined to do whatever was needed to keep Grexit at bay, political tumult also beckoned. Insiders conceded that a cabinet reshuffle – removing those ministers who had refused to vote the austerity package through parliament early Saturday – could come as early as Monday.

“What is sure is that we are going to have dramatic political developments,” said Nikos Bistis, a veteran politician from the centre left. “Basically Syriza is now split in two.”

By late Sunday it had become clear Tsipras’ u-turn, accepting measures he had once furiously spurned, had produced a tectonic split with potentially far-reaching consequences. In addition to suffering an unexpected loss of support with 17 MPs breaking ranks at the weekend – defections that strip his government of a working majority – 15 other lawmakers also indicated that they would not approve the agreement in its entirety when it was brought to the 300-seat House.

The MPs, who included two ministers, said they were radically opposed to endorsing an austerity programme that was not only ideologically at odds with their own beliefs but would exacerbate “the country’s agonising and tragic social economic problems.”

The resistance raises the spectre of Tsipras being forced to call fresh elections – a move described as potentially catastrophic for the country.

“Greece can bend up to a point,” said Aristides Hatzis, a prominent political commentator. “But after that there is no bending, only breaking. The breaking point may well come when Tsipras realises he has lost most of his parliamentary group.”

The embattled prime minister will also face substantial resistance from the parliament’s speaker Zoe Konstantopoulou in getting the policies fast-tracked through the House.

A Syriza hardliner, Kostantopoulou said at the weekend:

“the government is being blackmailed. The lenders are insisting on turning the “no” [of last week’s referendum] into “yes.” I could never vote for the contents of the agreement.”
 
http://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2015/jul/12/greek-debt-crisis-eu-leaders-meeting-cancelled-no-deal-live

 

 

Pablo Rodríguez @Suanzes

Leaders will try to rewrite EG draft into a "EuroSummit statement". Same substance, different, perhaps less humiliating wording

8:48 PM - 12 Jul 2015

 

Kathimerini English ‏@ekathimerini

Tsakalotos said to be in meeting with Germany's Schaeuble and France's Sapin #Greece

8:59 PM - 12 Jul 2015

 

 

Edited July 12, 2015 by vememah

[Tribun_Populi]

Zaboravljaš neracionalnost davanja još 80+ milijardi evra od strane EZ, na svu onu muku dole.

 

Ne zaboravljam, samo sam očekivao malo dobre volje upravo u svetlu IMF-ovih otkrića™ tj. pare i nadzornu komisiju, umesto toga vidimo gaženje na gušu i ultimatume ranga četrnaeste, četrnaeste... Sad mi se već ovi gmazovi gade, iskreno, i razmahani Šojble i ona pizda od Vučićeve tetke.

 

Mislim da bi poetska pravda bila da Putler za koji dan parkira Kuznjecova u sred Pireja.

[Prospero]

Lako je za dobru volju, teško je za 80 milijardi jbg. Zato uzimaju kolateral od 50 blanko milijardi :(

[Muwan]

Kuznjecov je na podužem remontu tako da od toga nema ništa. A u svakom slučaju ne treba sad još mahati crvenom maramicom ispred nosa velikom tati. Bolja fora bi bila da pitaju Amere da li imaju desetak milijardi na zajam da se prebrodi prvi udar.

[MancMellow]

^^ne bi bilo potrebno toliko ako bi se otpisao deo duga. 

 

jasno je o čemu se ovde radi

Edited July 12, 2015 by MancMellow

[MancMellow]

Kuznjecov je na podužem remontu tako da od toga nema ništa. A u svakom slučaju ne treba sad još mahati crvenom maramicom ispred nosa velikom tati. Bolja fora bi bila da pitaju Amere da li imaju desetak milijardi na zajam da se prebrodi prvi udar.

 

sustinski, ako ih samo svi puste da kljoknu, izlet iz EU uopste nije out of question. 

[Prospero]

Šojble gura Grexit, jasno.

 

 

 

edit: Jbt, Ukri se guze sa desnim sektorom tamo negde na zapadu, Mutti o Ukrajini sada misli da nivou "Hmm, Ukrajina, šta to beše, gde sam to već čula" - realno, red je da Volođa umaršira u Odesu, sad il nikad. 

Edited July 12, 2015 by Prospero

[Tribun_Populi]

sustinski, ako ih samo svi puste da kljoknu, izlet iz EU uopste nije out of question. 

 

Meni je the only reasonable solution, jer ne razumem koji bi đavo zemlja sa ludački devalviranom valutom, koja drastično više uveze nego što izveze i čije glavne eksportne grane (taj famozni cement) u strukturi ukupnog izvoza ne učestvuju ni sa četvrtinom, uopšte tražila u carinskoj uniji od koje može da ima samo štetu. Onda ostaje prosjak kome preostaje bargaining na kontu geopolitičke pozicije - pa ko da više.

[Prospero]

Kad devalviraju valutu neće više toliko uvoziti    :(

 

 

Grčki problem je što gomilu ovih mera mora da sprovede i ovako i onako, pitanje je samo da li će to biti "uređeno" ili ne.

 

Pad Ciprasove vlade sutra je sasvim moguć, vladu formira ND i imamo indukovanu promenu režima... Kako će reagovati građani možemo samo da nagađamo. Dodajmo na to i zatvorene banke, walk of shame ekonomije sledećih 12-18 meseci i ojha, ima da bude veselo...

Edited July 12, 2015 by Prospero

[MancMellow]

Šojble gura Grexit, jasno.

 

 

 

edit: Jbt, Ukri se guze sa desnim sektorom tamo negde na zapadu, Mutti o Ukrajini sada misli da nivou "Hmm, Ukrajina, šta to beše, gde sam to već čula" - realno, red je da Volođa umaršira u Odesu, sad il nikad. 

 

A realno, ona je sjebala i Ukrajinu. Namigivanje nekakvim poluubacivanjem u EU nekad, jednom, politicka kriza, pa kad je sve otislo u pizdu materinu onda nemoj putine molim te, amerikanci molim vas branite ih. za to vreme nord stream radi sve u 16...

Edited July 12, 2015 by MancMellow

[Prospero]

Ciničan si sa tim Severnim tokom, nije lepo  -_-

[radisa]

Zapad ako pusti Grčku pravi takav geopolitički kurcšlus, da to nije normalno. Dobija zemlju, sa važnom pozicijom i velikom vojskom, koja je sasvim fino naoružana, u totalnom kurcu. To oružije bog zna kako će završiti, i ko će uleteti da popuni tu rupu.

 

Ja se još uzdam u Washington, da ovo neće dozvoliti.

 

I da ser Winston je, što se Nemačke tiče bio u pravu, ali, jbg, na par decenija su izgledali normalno...