Grčka - enormni dug, protesti oko mera štednje

[vememah]

Merkelkina konferencija od sinoć, novinari u pitanjima špekulisali da je za nedelju sazvan samit cele EU a ne samo Evrozone jer svi moraju biti tu da bi im se odobrilo izdavanje nove valute i pomoć u vidu balance-of-payments programa koji je dostupan samo zemljama koje nisu članice Evrozone. Merkelka naravno iskulirala rekavši da su i drugi tražili da budu upućeni u dešavanja, jer se i njih tiču i da ona ne vidi razlog da ne budu.

 

http://ec.europa.eu/avservices/video/player.cfm?ref=I106610&sitelang=en&videolang=en

 

To je u skladu sa onim što su izjavili pojedinci (Austrijanac i Luksemburžanin) da možda za samitom neće biti potrebe ako Grci pošalju dobar predlog.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/jul/07/greek-debt-crisis-alex-tsipras-seeks-last-chance-deal-live#block-559c48b9e4b00bdd2770864d

 

Evo i od Tuska:

 

Donald Tusk ‏@eucopresident

Final deadline ends this week. Either we achieve agreement this week in #Eurogroup or I will convene #EUCO on Sunday afternoon.

10:55 PM - 7 Jul 2015

 

Edited July 8, 2015 by vememah

[Prospero]

Poenta je da ESM fondovi nisu baš isto što i Goldman Saks ili Citi.

 

via TT

[duda]

wtf kuda ide ova mučena starica evropa

rasturali su je germani nekoliko puta, izgleda da će opet 

 

gđa merkel mi nikako ne odaje utisak političara velikog formata

tj. da bi mogla da odigra onako svetski, begovski štob' se kod nas ubosni reklo

Edited July 8, 2015 by dùda

[vememah]

Spigel analizira pisamce:

 

 

Leaked: Greece’s new bailout request letter

Peter Spiegel

Jul 08 13:02

Greek authorities got their final dash to find a bailout agreement before the weekend formally underway on Wednesday by submitting a simple one-page request to the eurozone’s €500bn bailout fund, the European Stability Mechanism, for a new three-year programme.

Under the timetable agreed with EU leaders at Tuesday night’s summit, the request letter is something of a formality. The real details are due on Thursday, when Athens will submit their “prior actions” proposal – the detailed economic reforms that they will pursue under a new, third programme.

Still, the letter (which we’ve posted here) includes some interesting clues as to where Athens is headed. First of all, Greece is seeking a three-year programme and not a two-year bailout that was requested last week. The International Monetary Fund has estimated a three-year programme could cost as much as €70bn.

The letter also suggests Athens is willing to “immediately implement…as early as the beginning of next week” some of the things that creditors were demanding during negotiations on its old €172bn rescue, which expired June 30 – including tax reforms and pension system overhaul.

This appears part of an effort to quickly release short-term “bridge financing” so that Athens can repay the €1.5bn it still owes to the IMF, avoid a default on a €3.5bn bond due the European Central Bank in less than two weeks, and pay another €3.2bn ECB-held bond in August.

The general idea would be to immediately pass the tax and pension reforms to get a chunk of cash – most likely to include €3.6bn in profits the ECB received for its holdings in Greek bonds – a plan being pushed by France and a group of other Greek allies.

One other key sentence in the letter: debt relief. Although it does not spell it out in so many words, the letter from the finance ministry makes clear Athens is anticipating a third bailout will include some kind of restructuring so that Greece’s sovereign debt levels, which have begun to rise again, will start to fall to more sustainable levels. As the letter puts it:

    As part of broader discussions to be held, Greece welcomes an opportunity to explore potential measures to be taken so that its official sector related debt becomes both sustainable and viable over the long term.

Although the IMF has urged some kind of debt relief, eurozone creditors have fiercely resisted any kind of write-down — though they have been more open to extending the repayment schedules for their current bailout loans. The Greek request is certainly not a table thumping demand, rhetorically. But the intention is certainly clear.

http://blogs.ft.com/brusselsblog/2015/07/08/leaked-greeces-new-bailout-request

 

 

Nije ni čudo što im za 70 milijardi traže znatno više nego za onih 7.

 

U međuvremenu u Grčkoj prave istragu poturica novinara:

 

 

 

Greek debt crisis: Journalists who criticised Syriza investigated by government agencies

 

Athens: Greek journalists who criticised the Syriza administration and supported a 'yes' vote in the lead-up to Sunday's referendum have come under investigation by government agencies and may be prosecuted for their reporting.

The public prosecutor, the government media watchdog and the Journalists' Union of Athens Daily Paper (ESIEA) have all launched investigations into the reporting on privately-owned media channels in the lead-up to Sunday's historic vote.

It is alleged the reporters breached electoral law by not allowing fair and equal time to all sides of the debate. The public prosecutor said it was responding to "viewer complaints".

Nine of the country's most visible anchors and news directors have been called to answer to the ethics board of ESIEA - they are Olga Tremi, John Pretenteris, Maria Sarafoglou and Manolis Kapsis from Mega Channel, Stamatis Malelis, Nick Konitopoulos, Aris Portosalte and Dimitris Oikonomou from SKAI and Maria Houkli​ from ANT1.

In a post on his personal Facebook page, SKAI news director Malelis accused Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras' government of attempting to silence its critics.

"To the regime's various party dogs. You're not going to silence me, no matter what you do. No form of power ever did and neither will you. There's a huge difference between you and I. I've worked all my life, while you have been warming your party seats. You're wasting your time with threats. I don't bite it. Anyone with arguments here I am!" he said.

The Journalists' Union of Athens Daily Papers said it had "called on our nine members to address the accusations" before its ethics board.

Last week the union released a statement criticising the reporting from certain, unnamed, journalists.

"Unfortunately, some colleagues mainly in television media, instead of following the imposed strict ethical rules, diverted to delinquent behaviour, substituting the journalistic function with undisguised propaganda."

A spokesman for the government-appointed independent media watchdog Greek National Council for Radio and Television said the council would also be launching "an investigation into the way these channels reported the referendum". He said the CEOs of the channel would likely have to account for their journalism.

It was reported in Greek media on Monday that the Parliament may also consider sanctions against the channels.

"It is the obligation of the Greek Parliament to protect the Greek Republic and… to take such measures to ensure violations of electoral legislation do not go unpunished," a parliamentary spokesman for Syriza told TVXS.

Privately-owned media, who have generally urged a deal with EU creditors, have been heavily criticised by the government and the 'no' campaign. On Wednesday morning, Mr Tsipras told members of the European Parliament that local media had been "terrorising Greeks" into picking yes.

Dimitris Kotaridis, a journalist with ANT1 and the treasurer of the ESIEA union, said the union's ethics committee had come under the control of Syriza affiliates and the move was "politically organised". He understood the committee had plans to expand the investigation up to 300 journalists - all of them from private TV and radio stations. The state-owned TV station ERT, which is generally pro-government, would escape scrutiny.

"It's totally stupid because they are investigating only those that were in favour of the yes… Even if you have said something in the past that wasn't politically correct or wasn't so in favour of Varoufakis, the former minster of finance, they are calling you, you have to apologise for that. It's purely political," he said.

"I think it's very bad for journalists in Greece. We have been under heavy attack the past years. People have been getting beaten on the street. It's difficult for journalists to go to certain areas in Athens."

Under Greek law, each party must be given exactly the same amount of time to present its case. It is standard practice for TV channels to be fined for their coverage. But Nikolas Vafiadis, the foreign editor of ANT1, told Farifax that the targeting of his colleague Maria Houki and other privately owned media was "politically motivated".

"These are early signs of an authoritarianism that is developing here in Greece and I'm very much worried as a journalist with an open spirit that we are heading towards fanaticism," he said.

He said channels may have pursued or favoured certain editorial angles, but that this was normal practice.

"Thank God we have pluralism in Greece. I think we are heading for new era of Stalinism."

SKAI released a statement on Wednesday defending its reporters. It said: "All these actions have one purpose: the silencing of the 'other', any 'other' views and opinions, and to hide 'annoying' news reporting and the truth."

On the day of the referendum, the minister of health Panayotis Kouroublis​ criticised the "black propaganda" of the Mega television channel, attacking in particular the reporting of Ms Tremi and Mr Pretenteris - both are among the nine under now investigation. At the post-referendum celebrations on Sunday evening in Athens' Syntagma Square revellers chanted "fuck journalists".

 

http://www.theage.com.au/world/greek-debt-crisis-journalists-who-criticised-syriza-investigated-by-government-agencies-20150708-gi84l1.html

 

 

Edited July 8, 2015 by vememah

[hazard]

Poenta je da ESM fondovi nisu baš isto što i Goldman Saks ili Citi.

 

via TT

 

Poenta je da su ESM i EFSF fondovi zapravo bejlautovali Saks i ekipu a onda racun uvalili poreskim obveznicima evrozone.

[Indy]

Poenta je da ESM fondovi nisu baš isto što i Goldman Saks ili Citi.

 

Evo ukrašću ovo... da ne moram ja da se trudim.

 

 

The Greek crisis has exposed the European Union for what it really is, invalidating the ideas on which it depends for moral legitimacy.

 

However, I think those ideas were initially more than a fiction. 30 years ago, social democracy and human rights played an important role in EU policies and law. Then the plutocrats and banksters took advantage of other changes to grasp increasing control. The rejected EU constitution, and the non-constitution (the Lisbon treaty) adopted in its place, are insufficiently democratic, which provided the banksters with a great opportunity. (This is why I called on voters to reject it and block it, where they had the chance.)

 

Nowadays the EU is a pliable instrument for plutocrats to subordinate human rights with. For freedom and democracy, a country must get out of it.

[Meazza]

Znaci, ispade da je Nigel Farage sve vreme bio u pravu...

[Indy]

Pa sad, ako je Nigel mislio da Sunce izlazi na Istoku, i u tome je bio u pravu.

[vememah]

U Grčkoj je humanitarna katastrofa, ali sa 50% nezaposlenosti među mladima ne mogu sami da oberu voće:

Sun-beaten and sullen, the four Albanian fruit-pickers returning home from a three-week stint working in Greece waved taxi drivers away at the border crossing because, they said, they could not afford the fare.

"This time we weren't paid," said one of the group, Mustafa Kullolli, 46, from the central Albanian town of Elbasan. "We were told we would get our 200 euros ($220) when the banks opened."

...

Another party of returning cherry pickers said they were luckier; they had been paid by the farmer that hired them.

 

http://www.ekathimerini.com/199171/article/ekathimerini/community/greek-crisis-hurts-poorest-in-its-balkan-neighbors

 

Sumorne crtice iz blokirane grčke privrede:

Maria Iliadou, who owns a franchise for the Goody’s Burger House chain in Thessaloniki, said suppliers who used to get paid via electronic banking are asking for cash for July. With capital controls into their second week and banks shut, she said she will have to close by the end of this month if she can’t access her account.

...

Many are soon to be in “irreversible deadlock,” according to Haris Makryniotis, managing director of Endeavor Greece, part of a New York-based nonprofit organization that backs entrepreneurs in the country.

“Things have gone out of control since capital controls and cross-border transaction limitations were imposed,” he said. “This situation will very soon be irreversible. We expect shortages of goods in the next couple of weeks and dramatic shortages of basic foods within one or two months.”

...

Efstathiou, a pharmacist in Athens who didn’t want to give her first name, said her immediate concern is supplies.

“There are many medicines we don’t have enough of,” she said, pointing to a piece of paper with about 30 drugs listed. “But I’m not worried. I think we will be OK.”

That optimism is shared by Tsipras’s supporters, according to Iliadou in Thessaloniki.

She voted “yes” to creditor proposals for more austerity in the Sunday referendum to ensure Greece stayed in the euro and banks reopened. Most of her employees, who are under 30, voted “no ” with the majority.

“People who voted ‘no’ are completely relaxed and not expecting any consequences,” said Iliadou. “The devoted followers of Tsipras absolutely honor him and believe this will end in a few days.”

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-08/no-money-no-supplies-no-workers-life-for-greek-small-business

 

Jedan takav spisak sa lekovima koji nedostaju u jednoj apoteci:

 

 

 

 

 

Ekonomisti u Rojtersovoj redovnoj anketi prvi put procenjuju da je Grexit sada verovatniji od ostanka u Evrozoni.

Fifty-seven economists polled on Wednesday, as Tsipras pleaded in the European Parliament for a fair deal for his country, gave a median 55 percent chance of Greece leaving the euro zone.

That is the first time the median probability has shown Greece is more likely than not to leave the euro in many years of Reuters polls asking the same question.

 

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/07/08/eurozone-greece-poll-idUKL8N0ZO39D20150708

[Lezilebovich]

U Grčkoj je humanitarna katastrofa,

 

šta ovo znači ?

[Аврам Гојић]

U Grčkoj je humanitarna katastrofa, ali sa 50% nezaposlenosti među mladima ne mogu sami da oberu voće:

 

 

Jao bre nemoj da pocinjes sa tim glupostima o branju voca, svake godine ista prica u Srbiji, a sada cemo to da preslikavamo i na Grcku.

 

Jeste, Grci su lenji isto koliko i crncuge, a pritom su gramzivi poput Civuta i ruzni kao Siptari. Aj da se slozimo oko toga i da teramo dalje sa normalnom pricom.

[Sestre Bronte]

Sad kad navale nemački berači.

[Desmond Bojčinski]

Sad kad navale nemački berači.

 

Oće ih u drahmama platiti?

[vememah]

šta ovo znači ?

Pa to priča Cipras još od januara.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2929829/Greece-s-new-prime-minister-vows-end-humanitarian-disaster-caused-austerity-cuts-warns-Brussels-end-politics-submission.html

 

Aj da se slozimo oko toga i da teramo dalje sa normalnom pricom.

 

Ne, nego ćemo da se složimo da Cipras lupeta gluposti. Jeste da su oni dosta osiromašili i da se slabo snalaze u tome, ali je tamo i dalje dosta bolje nego u Srbiji za koju niko ne tvrdi da u njoj vlada humanitarna katastrofa.

[Аврам Гојић]

Necemo da se slozimo. To za branje voca nema veze sa mozgom jer je, u slucaju ispunjenja norme za sta je potrebno veliko iskustvo, neto zarada beraca iz Grcke oko 300 evra mesecno. Razlika u standardu u Albaniji i Grckoj dovodi do toga da voce beru radnici iz Albanije, odreda vrlo iskusni beraci.