Grčka - enormni dug, protesti oko mera štednje

[pacey defender]

Izvinjavam se ako ste prošli kroz ovo ali potebno mi je jedno pojašnjenje. 

 

Koja dozvoljena pravna sredstva stoje na raspolaganju kreditorima za potrebe naplate duga Grčke?

[Tribun_Populi]

Koja dozvoljena pravna sredstva stoje na raspolaganju kreditorima za potrebe naplate duga Grčke?

 

Nikakva.

[yolo]

mislim da je pisano o prirodi "suverenog" duga. ne postoji mogucnost prinudne naplate. izvinjavam se ako gresim ali je bottom line bio taj, po secanju.

[MancMellow]

Pisali smo da su mozda neki potezi bili davanje vremena velikom tati da uleti...

Jel neko video znakove "uletanja"?

 

samo indirektne, i to pre referenduma. 

 

nećemo ovde videti puno, ako i uopšte, javne diplomatije US. Moralo bi mnogo da se pogorša stanje pre nego do nekih drastičnih izjava ili akcija dođe. Istina, stanje može da se pogorša relativno brzo, ali se nadam da neće svi baš biti toliko blesavi.

Edited July 6, 2015 by MancMellow

[Аврам Гојић]

@yolo ja sam pisao o tome pre par dana. mislim da postoje neki presedani u smislu zaplene dela imovine u inostranstvu ali da se tu radi o vrlo malom delu imovine.

Edited July 6, 2015 by Грешни Василије

[Marcus Wulffings]

Pisali smo da su mozda neki potezi bili davanje vremena velikom tati da uleti...

Jel neko video znakove "uletanja"?

 

još ništa konkretno

[Marcus Wulffings]

riđokosi tramp je rekao da se on ne bi mešao u celu stvar i da je to posao evrope šta će sa grčkom

[MancMellow]

Irska

 

 

Taoiseach Enda Kenny insisted a fortnight ago the Coalition would not support debt relief for Greece.

But now European Affairs Minister Dara Murphy claims the Government was "always" supportive of debt relief.   

"We've always had the view that debt relief, debt reprofiling would be part of an agreement," he said.

At an EU summit two weeks ago, Mr Kenny firmly ruled out backing a write-off of Greek debt.

 

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/government-stance-on-greek-debt-relief-appears-to-shift-after-referendum-31354098.html

 

komantar, o tome, ali na drugom mestu:

 

 

 

Does money actually have any relevance these days or is it just abstract?  

 

 

Edited July 6, 2015 by MancMellow

[Čutura]

@yolo ja sam pisao o tome pre par dana. mislim da postoje neki presedani u smislu zaplene dela imovine u inostranstvu ali da se tu radi o vrlo malom delu imovine.

 

probali su ameri (elliott capital) da plene argentinske brodove i aeroplane

[Tribun_Populi]

 mislim da postoje neki presedani u smislu zaplene dela imovine u inostranstvu ali da se tu radi o vrlo malom delu imovine.

 

Evo ti presedan od pre petnaestak dana. Radi se o međunarodnom običajnom pravilu, a po pravilu njegova kršenja izazivaju retorziju.

Inače, pod okriljem Saveta Evrope je 1978. doneta Konvencija o imunitetu država koju je ratifikovao veoma mali broj zemalja, a 2004. je doneta UN Konvencija koja tek treba da stupi na snagu (ratifikovalo je 28 zemalja).

Edited July 6, 2015 by Tribun_Populi

[morgana]

 

nećemo ovde videti puno, ako i uopšte, javne diplomatije US. Moralo bi mnogo da se pogorša stanje pre nego do nekih drastičnih izjava ili akcija dođe. Istina, stanje može da se pogorša relativno brzo, ali se nadam da neće svi baš biti toliko blesavi.

 

pa naravno, kao sto nismo vidjeli ni do sada javnu diplomatiju (ako ne racunamo paljenje javnosti s obje strane, sto je vrsta pritiska, jel)

 

grcka kriza je tema idealna za forum

 

evo ja mislim da rasplet nece biti toliko dramatican kakvim se prorice, time nisam rekla bas nista ali cu kao i svi ostali na forumu na kraju balade moci da kazem 'told you so' 

Edited July 6, 2015 by morgana

[MancMellow]

pa naravno, kao sto nismo vidjeli ni do sada (ako ne racunamo paljenje javnosti s obje strane, sto je vrsta pritiska, jel)

 

grcka kriza je tema idealna za forum

 

evo ja mislim da rasplet nece biti toliko dramatican kakvim se prorice, time nisam rekla bas nista ali cu kao i svi ostali na forumu na kraju balade moci da kazem 'told you so' 

 

tako izgleda ovog sata. idućeg već može da izgleda bitno drugačije :D 

 

i meni pada na pamet da će na kraju biti, ma ok dogovorićemo se. ALI - onda se setim šta je sve at stake i da takve stvari obično ne prolaze tek tako. Mada, jbg, stvarno - who knows?

[Prospero]

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f14150ee-23a6-11e5-9c4e-a775d2b173ca.html#ixzz3f6xu8EU7[/size]

 

 

Greece debt crisis: Merkel dashes hopes for early rescue package

 

Peter Spiegel in Brussels, Stefan Wagstyl in Berlin, Kerin Hope in Athens and Katie Martin in London

 

 

 

 

 

German chancellor Angela Merkel has dashed hopes for talks over a new rescue package for Greece, saying she saw no basis for negotiations following the clear rejection of reform plans in Sunday’s Greek referendum.

“With regard to yesterday’s decision by Greek citizens the preconditions for entering into negotiations over a new aid programme do not currently exist,” said Steffen Seibert, spokesman of Ms Merkel, even though the door for talks was “always open”.

 

Mr Seibert also quashed lingering hopes that Ms Merkel’s visit on Monday to French president François Hollande would result in new rescue proposals. He insisted that Berlin was waiting to see “what proposals the Greek government places on the table”.

The comments from Berlin came as markets reacted relatively calmly to the No vote in Sunday’s referendum, followed quickly on Monday by the resignation of Yanis Varoufakis, Greece’s outspoken minister of finance.

 

There are signs of contagion, albeit mild, in the eurozone “peripheral” bond sector, with 10-year Italian and Spanish yields up 9 basis points to 2.33 per cent and 10bp to 2.32 per cent respectively. The euro was down 0.7 per cent on the day, to $1.1032, well above the overnight dip to $1.0974.

 

The FTSE Eurofirst 300, the pan-European stock index, was well off its lows but still down 0.7 per cent.

Mr Varoufakis quit after Greece’s anti-austerity government scored a decisive victory in a referendum over the terms of its relationship with creditors.

 

In a blog called “Minister No More!”, the game theorist turned politician said Alexis Tsipras, Greek prime minister, had wanted him to step down to make it easier to deal with creditors, particularly in the eurogroup of finance ministers.

 

Greek voters had backed the government’s call to reject a compromise with international creditors, raising serious doubts about Greece’s ability to remain inside the eurozone. The No camp won 61.3 per cent of the vote and was victorious in every region of the country.

Eurozone officials have long complained about what they viewed as Mr Varoufakis’s corrosive effect on bailout negotiations, but Mr Tsipras’s jettisoning of him may have come too late for other eurozone governments.

The combative Mr Varoufakis wrote in his blog that soon after the referendum results he was “made aware of a certain preference by some eurogroup participants, and assorted ‘partners’, for my . . . ‘absence’ from its meetings; an idea that the prime minister judged to be potentially helpful to him in reaching an agreement. For this reason I am leaving the ministry of finance today.”

“I consider it my duty to help Alexis Tsipras exploit, as he sees fit, the capital that the Greek people granted us through yesterday’s referendum. And I shall wear the creditors’ loathing with pride.”

Eurozone officials have argued in recent weeks that although Mr Varoufakis was sidelined from direct talks in April he would undermine the more moderate elements in Mr Tsipras’s inner circle every time the two sides narrowed their differences.

Among those who will not be lamenting the departure of Mr Varoufakis is Johan Van Overtveldt, the Belgian economist and writer who has served as the country’s finance minister since October. “He made things difficult for himself and his fellow ministers both by his behaviour and what he said. To say that it wasn’t nice to hear him more or less saying that his fellow ministers were terrorists is of course an understatement,” Mr Van Overtveldt told Belgian radio on Monday morning.

Officials said Mr Varoufakis’s demand that no new bailout agreement would be signed without debt relief — something some of his Greek counterparts were prepared to concede on as long as it was part of talks on a new, third bailout — made closing a deal to release €7.2bn in aid nearly impossible.

For months, many eurozone leaders saw Mr Tsipras as the more pragmatic and reasonable of the two and attempted to short-circuit Mr Varoufakis’s influence by dealing directly with the prime minister.

But in recent weeks, those same officials have come to view Mr Tsipras as equally intractable — or at least captive to the hardline elements of his governing Syriza party that surround him, making a deal all but impossible with or without Mr Varoufakis.

Stephanie Flanders, chief market strategist for Europe at JPMorgan Asset Management, said: “With this No vote we have moved firmly on to the Grexit side of the decision tree, with a messy Greek exit now more likely than not.”The referendum result risks plunging Greece deeper into turmoil as it tries to prevent the collapse of a financial system that is rapidly running out of cash.

Rania Antonopoulos, Greek employment minister, said the two sides had 48 hours to resolve the crisis, and that a Greek exit from the eurozone would be “the worst possible outcome”.

“There are still 48 hours and we will push as much as possible for an outcome of this negotiation that does not obligate Greece to go in that direction,” she told BBC radio’s Today programme.

“We have said that there are . . . pillars to a successful outcome: mild recession with social justice. At the same time it has to be understood that the IMF [international Monetary Fund] and everybody else is saying that the debt is not sustainable. We have to engage in that conversation,” she said.

There was a scathing response from Berlin to the referendum result. Sigmar Gabriel, deputy German chancellor, said Mr Tsipras had “torn down the last bridges on which Greece and Europe could have moved towards a compromise”.

But on Monday Italian prime minister Matteo Renzi struck a softer tone, saying on Facebook: “Greece [is] a country that is in an extremely difficult economic and social condition. Tomorrow’s meeting [of eurozone ministers] will have to show a definitive and permanent solution to this emergency.”“With the rejection of the rules of the eurozone . . . negotiations about a programme worth billions are barely conceivable,” he told Tagesspiegel newspaper.

The No vote could mean that negotiations with creditors, which were suspended by Mr Tsipras’s decision to hold the referendum, may not be resumed immediately, if at all.

Jeroen Dijsselbloem, the Dutch finance minister who chairs the eurogroup committee of his counterparts, warned: “This result is very regrettable for the future of Greece. For recovery of the Greek economy, difficult measures and reforms are inevitable. We will now wait for the initiatives of the Greek authorities.”

Greece defaulted last week on a €1.6bn loan repayment to the IMF, becoming the first advanced economy to do so in the institution’s 71-year history.

Greek banks are fast running out of cash even with capital controls and are unlikely to reopen this week unless the ECB governing council approves an increase in emergency loans in a conference call on Monday afternoon.

 

The Greek central bank called in executives from the lenders to discuss a possible reduction in the daily cash withdrawal limit from €60 to €20. The ECB may decide it needs the eurozone to guarantee Greek debt if it is to continue supplying emergency loans, as it did in 2012, a decision that would have to be taken by leaders.

 

Government officials claimed before the vote that banks would reopen by Tuesday regardless of the outcome of the referendum.

The ECB may also choose to step up purchases of eurozone government debt under its quantitative easing programme if markets react badly to the Greek result on Monday.

 

Benoît Cœuré, a member of the ECB’s executive board, said it stood ready to do more to support the bloc. “If we are needed to do more [to support the eurozone], we will do it,” he said. “There should be no doubt about that.”

 

Edited July 6, 2015 by Prospero

[Прслин]

Спомињали сте Путина и БРИКС.

 

Путин је нудио Ципрасу преко Сергеја Сторчака да Грчка приступи БРИКС инвестиционој банци, али га је Ципрас о'ладио. Од тада га Путин мање-више игнорише и/или чека да маца дође на вратанца. И то је део притиска колико и референдум.

[Miralem]

sve to ima svoje.