Budja Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Sad sam pogledao izjavu - daju im kredit ako sprovedu zadati plan. Ukrajina se slaze sa planom, a Grcka ne. Analogije tu prestaju. Pa sad... nakon 12 juna dodje 19 jun. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/19/ukraine-offers-creditors-last-chance-to-reach-deal-over-debt Link to comment
Аврам Гојић Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Citygroup je prihvatio uslove kreditora koji nisu bili mali, Grcka vlada je odbila. Humanitarna kriza kao cena suverenosti? Ja licno ne verujem da ce EU dozvoliti da ljudi u Grckoj umiru od gladi, bez obzira na grcku vladu ... uslovi kreditora su bili poklon za Citigroup. preferencijalna kupovina deonica po ceni koja je u to vreme bila sjajna za propalu banku. Link to comment
Prospero Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 (edited) vidiš, baš sam došao da pitam da li Grčka može da sama štampa evre, pošto je, od svih ljudi, to na tviteru pitao Hugh Laurie (dr. House). no, imam određenu rezervu prema verodostojnosti tih neimenovanih izvora koji nude twitter-ready dramatična rešenja, a uz to verujem da su Grci ipak dosta daleko od puča. Most analysts are also naïve to the fact that under the EU constitution, the Greek Central Bank through the Mint of Greece prints its own euro banknotes and stamps their own euro coins. The Mint of Greece in the last five years has legally printed about €96 billion euros under the ECB Emergency Liquidity Assistance program. JPMorgan estimates that the Central Bank of Greece may have actually printed about €27 billion more euros than they were authorized to print through the ECBs Eurosystem inter-bank trading mechanism, which is used to settle import and export transactions. All the Greek currency printed by the Mint of Greece has serial numbers that start with the letter “Y.” Whatever the outcome of the Sunday Greek referendum, the Greek government will find a way to borrow or print its own euros. If you are traveling to Europe, I suggest that you avoid exchanging US dollars for euros that begin with the letter “Y. Edited July 5, 2015 by Prospero Link to comment
namenski Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 ... uz to verujem da su Grci ipak dosta daleko od puča. Djavo ne spava, Vaso, a te se na izgled neverovatne stvari u koje niko normalan ne bi poverovao - zaboravljamo - dogadjaju ocas posla, dok dlanom o dlan. Jedno je bila noc subota na nedelju sa sve referendumom i ocekivanjima, nesto sasvim drugo ce da bude ova noc, a pogotovo budjenje, kad takozvanom prosecnom Grku pocne da se dogadja svastanesto. Zivi bili pa videli: imace ko da podgreje stvari ako krenu naopako, ako se zalaufa svegrcki stampedo, a vec nocas se pojavljuju fraze tipa 'vaditi grcki narod koga je u govna uvalila losa vlada...' A podela dole ne fali, ne brigaj. Link to comment
Budja Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 ne, to je anonimni navod u sredini teksta. Pa dobro, jos niko nije pomenuo Hitlera i referendum. To je jos uvek napredak. No, ocekuje se uskoro. Link to comment
namenski Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Ja licno ne verujem da ce EU dozvoliti da ljudi u Grckoj umiru od gladi, bez obzira na grcku vladu ... Dabo, koliko onomad su, na par stotina kilometara od Beca, dozvolili da izgine onoliko... Link to comment
Prospero Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Toeing the line https://twitter.com/LinkeviciusL/status/617827321337245696 via TT Link to comment
Muwan Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Ne moze duznik na referundumu/izborima da demokratski odlucuje o smanjenju sopstvenih dugova. Grci su glasali protiv dogovora (koji u tom trenutku nije ni postojao) i za ocekivati je da ce ih ostatak Evrope napenaliti postovati njihovo demokratsko opredeljenje. Karte su bile otvorene na stolu, ne mozes reci da se to nije znalo. Ali, poverilac nije neko skroz strano telo koje nema ništa osim čistog računa sa dužnikom. Poverilac i dužnik članovi su istog elitnog kluba kojem bi valjda trebalo da je u interesu da drži neku koheziju a ne da rastura žurku zbog procenata i kamata. Grčka je poslala političku poruku političkoj uniji čiji je deo, i na to ima puno pravo. Isto kao što ta unija ima pravo da kaže: "Poruka primljena ali para nema, sorry, poslaćemo humanitarnu pomoć ako se raspadnete". Ali nije u redu spočitavati Grcima da su pogrešno glasali i dezavuisati njihovu izabranu vladu koja se ubedljivo potvrdila na ovom referendumu. To će samo produbiti krizu. Link to comment
Muwan Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Uzgred, ako bi moglo malo manje slovačkih, litvanskih i ostalih tvitova od ključnog značaja za rasplet ove krize, bilo bi super. U poredjenju sa njima Varufakis je djače prvače tek pošlo u školu licemerstva, demagogije i ljigavštine. Link to comment
Budja Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Zasto? I to je pregled stanja duha u EU kojoj tezimo. Ne treba to skrivati. Link to comment
Hromi Daba Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 uslovi kreditora su bili poklon za Citigroup. preferencijalna kupovina deonica po ceni koja je u to vreme bila sjajna za propalu banku. Pa ne znam, moguce je da su bili sjajni ... ali da li bi Grcka vlada prihvatila ovo: "The creditors would obtain wide powers over goverment operations" ili "Goverment salaries were reduced to one cent per share" itd ... Link to comment
Hromi Daba Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Dabo, koliko onomad su, na par stotina kilometara od Beca, dozvolili da izgine onoliko... point taken ... Link to comment
Prospero Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Alexis Tsipras asked if people were happy. The answer was always going to be ‘no’ David Patrikarakos 5 July 2015 23:20 Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras has just done something unthinkable. It looks as if he has won the Greek referendum. And make no mistake, it was him that won it. It was his decision to call a referendum just over a week ago and send the EU into a panic. The last Prime Minister to try that was George Papandreou in 2011 before he was forced to backtrack rapidly. He resigned shortly after. But winning the referendum isn’t what is so astounding – opinion polls were neck and neck throughout last week and once voting closed at 7pm Greek time it became almost immediately apparent that the No side would win. What makes his feat so remarkable is that he was able – by virtue of proposing a referendum with a deliberately unclear question – to ask the Greek people some very simple questions to which the answer was always going to be No. The vote in Greece today was really about whether Greeks were content with the status quo. Did they have jobs? Did they see a future for themselves? Did they have enough money? In effect, he asked people if they were happy, and after years of austerity there was only ever going to be one answer. This enabled him to do something no other Greek politician has ever done before: gather together everyone in Greece who is, to a greater or lesser degree, suffering. In doing so, he has stolen voters from all the other parties. Syriza was elected to government with 36.3 per cent of the vote. As of midnight Athens time, the No camp was leading with 61.42 per cent of the vote. Tsipras drew almost double the people that voted for his party to back the campaign that his government ran. It’s political alchemy at its finest, and populism at its most dangerous. via TT Link to comment
MancMellow Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Grčka je večna dok su joj turisti verni Link to comment
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