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eee, kad Economist ovo pise, zadnje vreme doslo :D

Vucic je klasican naslednik Milosevica. Nepogresivo uspe da se ukrca na pricu koja se blizi kraju...

Ne bih bio tako siguran. Upravo u UK bi situacija sa balonom nekretnina mogla da pukne uskoro, a onda bi videli konacno i drugu stranu medalje QE.

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eee, kad Economist ovo pise, zadnje vreme doslo :D

Vucic je klasican naslednik Milosevica. Nepogresivo uspe da se ukrca na pricu koja se blizi kraju...

Ne bih bio tako siguran. Upravo u UK bi situacija sa balonom nekretnina mogla da pukne uskoro, a onda bi videli konacno i drugu stranu medalje QE.

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Bumo vidli. A iskreno, osim u Londonu i jos ponekim posh lokacijama, ja ne priemcujem nesto taj balon nekretnina po Engleskoj. Kuce koje s vremena na vrme merkam  ^_^ i dalje kostaju manje nego 2006-te (u evrima). Priznajem, nije bas Shepherd's Bush  ^_^

 

Plus, UK nije u Evru, imaju oni i neke samostalne mehanizme na raspolaganju.

 

Ali sve to na stranu, AV-u moze kontinentalno da pukne ceo narativ i onda ce izgledati ko budala (i mi svi sa njim)

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Ne bih bio tako siguran. Upravo u UK bi situacija sa balonom nekretnina mogla da pukne uskoro, a onda bi videli konacno i drugu stranu medalje QE.

 

UK nnekretnine nisu isto sto i US/Spain.

 

Restrikcije na strani ponude seu ogromne pa to pogoduje rastu cena.

 

Ni 2008 pad cena u UK nije bio tako drastican kao u druga dva primera.

 

Nema u UK napustenih blokova zgrada kao u Spaniji.

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@RT_com: BREAKING: EU foreign ministers agree to extend sanctions against Russia, E. #Ukraine militias http://t.co/iSC75tvNIz

 

Prospero na ukrajinskom topiku pise da su, u stvari, odlucili da ne ukinu sankcije (extend) ali da nema novih (no further restrictive measures). To je, u stvari, objasnjenje ona dva naizgled protivrecna tvita.

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Prospero na ukrajinskom topiku pise da su, u stvari, odlucili da ne ukinu sankcije (extend) ali da nema novih (no further restrictive measures). To je, u stvari, objasnjenje ona dva naizgled protivrecna tvita.

Da, s tim koliko sam ja razumeo prospera prosiren je broj ljudi ali nisu uvedene nove sankcije. Cipras izgleda pokusava da balansira i da se ne uvuce u ulogu EU negativca.

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Bumo vidli. A iskreno, osim u Londonu i jos ponekim posh lokacijama, ja ne priemcujem nesto taj balon nekretnina po Engleskoj. Kuce koje s vremena na vrme merkam  ^_^ i dalje kostaju manje nego 2006-te (u evrima). Priznajem, nije bas Shepherd's Bush  ^_^

Plus, UK nije u Evru, imaju oni i neke samostalne mehanizme na raspolaganju.

Ali sve to na stranu, AV-u moze kontinentalno da pukne ceo narativ i onda ce izgledati ko budala (i mi svi sa njim)

UK nnekretnine nisu isto sto i US/Spain.

Restrikcije na strani ponude seu ogromne pa to pogoduje rastu cena.

Ni 2008 pad cena u UK nije bio tako drastican kao u druga dva primera.

Nema u UK napustenih blokova zgrada kao u Spaniji.

 

Dobro, videcemo - prosecne cene male kucice se sada priblizavaju 300K, u Londonu 500K. Kad ne bude vise QE i pocnu da skacu kamate bice zanimljivo videti ko ce to da otplati dok plate stagniraju ili cak padaju. I to u zemlji sa ionako najvisim privatnim zaduzenjem.

 

Inace, ovo oko Grcke i Rusije je dosta zanimljivo - trazi se evropska solidarnost po pitanju dugova a sa druge strane ekstra spoljna politika. To je na duzi rok nerealno.

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Mozda ce da uruci otkaze profesorima na univerzitetu i zamandali Akademiju nauka i umetnosti zarad zaposljavanja kafe-kuvarica, portira i nocnih cuvara.  Kao onomad kada je Robespjer zaposljavao pletilje na galerijama narodnih sudova da vriste uaaa!!! kada su ljudima kao Lavoazije donosene smrtne presude.

 

Neka su mu napakovali 99% optužnice, koji đavo ga je terao da se igra poreznika? 

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Dobro, videcemo - prosecne cene male kucice se sada priblizavaju 300K, u Londonu 500K. Kad ne bude vise QE i pocnu da skacu kamate bice zanimljivo videti ko ce to da otplati dok plate stagniraju ili cak padaju. I to u zemlji sa ionako najvisim privatnim zaduzenjem.

 

Inace, ovo oko Grcke i Rusije je dosta zanimljivo - trazi se evropska solidarnost po pitanju dugova a sa druge strane ekstra spoljna politika. To je na duzi rok nerealno.

 

Ako misliš na prosečnu 3+1 semi-detached kuću sa dvorištem (najčešći izbor srednje klase) ona je u južnom Londonu minimum 800k sterlinga a u severnom Londonu je odavno prešišala milion. To više niko iz srednje klase ne može da priušti. Cene teško da će padati jer kupci i ovako i onako više nisu lokalci nego bogataši iz svih krajeva sveta.

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40 koalicionih tačaka
 

 

The daily bulletin of Italy’s Communist Refoundation Party published today the apparently official program of the Greek coalition of the left, Syriza. Here the 40 points of the Syriza program.

 

  1. Audit of the public debt and renegotiation of interest due and suspension of payments until the economy has revived and growth and employment return.
  2. Demand the European Union to change the role of the European Central Bank so that it finances States and programs of public investment.
  3. Raise income tax to 75% for all incomes over 500,000 euros.
  4. Change the election laws to a proportional system.
  5. Increase taxes on big companies to that of the European average.
  6. Adoption of a tax on financial transactions and a special tax on luxury goods.
  7. Prohibition of speculative financial derivatives.
  8. Abolition of financial privileges for the Church and shipbuilding industry.
  9. Combat the banks’ secret [measures] and the flight of capital abroad.
  10. Cut drastically military expenditures.
  11. Raise minimum salary to the pre-cut level, 750 euros per month.
  12. Use buildings of the government, banks and the Church for the homeless.
  13. Open dining rooms in public schools to offer free breakfast and lunch to children.
  14. Free health benefits to the unemployed, homeless and those with low salaries.
  15. Subvention up to 30% of mortgage payments for poor families who cannot meet payments.
  16. Increase of subsidies for the unemployed. Increase social protection for one-parent families, the aged, disabled, and families with no income.
  17. Fiscal reductions for goods of primary necessity.
  18. Nationalization of banks.
  19. Nationalization of ex-public (service & utilities) companies in strategic sectors for the growth of the country (railroads, airports, mail, water).
  20. Preference for renewable energy and defence of the environment.
  21. Equal salaries for men and women.
  22. Limitation of precarious hiring and support for contracts for indeterminate time.
  23. Extension of the protection of labor and salaries of part-time workers.
  24. Recovery of collective (labor) contracts.
  25. Increase inspections of labor and requirements for companies making bids for public contracts.
  26. Constitutional reforms to guarantee separation of Church and State and protection of the right to education, health care and the environment.
  27. Referendums on treaties and other accords with Europe.
  28. Abolition of privileges for parliamentary deputies. Removal of special juridical protection for ministers and permission for the courts to proceed against members of the government.
  29. Demilitarization of the Coast Guard and anti-insurrectional special troops. Prohibition for police to wear masks or use fire arms during demonstrations. Change training courses for police so as to underline social themes such as immigration, drugs and social factors.
  30. Guarantee human rights in immigrant detention centers.
  31. Facilitate the reunion of immigrant families.
  32. Depenalization of consumption of drugs in favor of battle against drug traffic. Increase funding for drug rehab centers.
  33. Regulate the right of conscientious objection in draft laws.
  34. Increase funding for public health up to the average European level.(The European average is 6% of GDP; in Greece 3%.)
  35. Elimination of payments by citizens for national health services.
  36. Nationalization of private hospitals. Elimination of private participation in the national health system.
  37. Withdrawal of Greek troops from Afghanistan and the Balkans. No Greek soldiers beyond our own borders.
  38. Abolition of military cooperation with Israel.  Support for creation of a Palestinian State within the 1967 borders.
  39. Negotiation of a stable accord with Turkey.
  40. Closure of all foreign bases in Greece and withdrawal from NATO.

 

That could stir things up a bit
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Dosta planiraju da troše, a slabo vidim kako planiraju da zarade ? Ili misle da će prvo primeniti sve te mere, pa će one samo se posebi podići proizvodnju/trošenje i poreze na kraju ?

 

Ima li negde detaljnije kako se planira nacionalizacija banaka (ili će imaju 1 državnu banku) ?

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Dosta planiraju da troše, a slabo vidim kako planiraju da zarade ? Ili misle da će prvo primeniti sve te mere, pa će one samo se posebi podići proizvodnju/trošenje i poreze na kraju ?

 

2. Demand the European Union to change the role of the European Central Bank so that it finances States and programs of public investment.

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