Redoran Posted October 6, 2018 Posted October 6, 2018 On 4.10.2018. at 11:22, Eraserhead said: Bas je lepo sto ponavljas te splacine koje plasiraju putinovi mediji o svakome konse drzne da razotkrije njihove prevare i budalastine. Slabo pratim Putinovetm medije tako da ne znam šta plasiraju niti me interesuje preterano. Ono što sam video je da je bellingcat ekipica probala da izgugla nešto o dva imena koja su britanske vlasti objavile, i izguglali su jedno veliko ništa. Onda su probali da provuku ta imena kroz par online telefonskih imenika pa su i tu pronašli jedno veliko ništa. I taman kada je izgledalo da nema ništa od ruske senzacije, u poslednji čas im 1 anonimni samarićanin i dobrotvor dostavlja hakovanutm fotografiju na kojoj se šatro nalazi jedan od one dvojice. Bum, to je to, imamo konačan i ultimativni dokaz. Slične tehnike su primenjivali i u analizamatm koje su objavili na temu MH17 - sve transparentno i zasnovano na materijalima koje svako može da izgugla ili pronađe u javno dostupnim bazama podataka na netu, osim par ključnih video snimaka ili fotografija koje su im dostavili anonimni dobrotvori čiji identitet ne žele da otkriju ali ćemo ih svi upoznati u sudnici tokom sudskog procesa Putinu. To ti je otprilike suština njihovog razotkrivanjatm: pronađutm ili naprosto izmisle neku osobu u Rusiji, onda nabacaju stotine generičkih i potpuno irelevantnih rečenica o toj osobi, i na osnovu toga tvrde da su dokazali da je ta osoba nešto uradila ili da je ta osoba zapravo ona osoba koju u nekoj zemlji traže zbog sumnje da je nešto uradila. Pri tome uzimaju svoje sopstvene predrasude i špekulacije kao činjenice, ili citiraju neke prethodno iznesene predrasude i špekulacije kao dokaze koji potvđuju nove predrasude i špekulacije, i aplaudiraju sami sebi na toj mentalnoj gimnastici (koja doduše nije njihov izum, The Guardian to već godinama radi). Što se mene tiče, nije nikakav problem da oni furaju svoje analize zasnovane na neuspelim Google pretragama i fotografijama koje su em sumnjivog porekla em ništa ne dokazuju. Ono što je ozbiljan problem je sada već ustaljena praksa mainstream medija da takve splačine reprintuju i plasiraju dalje kao suve i u kamen uklesane činjenice. Za to vreme ti isti mediji ignorišu ili čak provlače kroz blato žive legende kao što su Seymour Hersh ili Robert Fisk, zbog toga što su se drznuli da napišu nešto što se ne uklapa u zvaničnu agendu State Departmenta. Štaviše, tim nazovi medijima ponekad nije problem da nekom nesrećniku nameste hapšenje u Iranu pa on završi na višegodišnjoj robiji zajedno sa svojim 80-godišnjim ocem.
Roger Sanchez Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) Rusi svakako smišljaju puno bolje alternativne priče, kao što je Matt lijepo nacrtao. Smisle ih onako desetak, pa ko se za koju uvati od budala. Ti si ipak mudriji, samo magliš, a ne izmišljaš. No, idemo dalje. Bezvezne gugl pretrage i anonimni donatori iznjedrili su novo ime, u što se za ime božje i spas majke Rusije ne smije povjerovati Edited October 8, 2018 by Roger Sanchez
vememah Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) Ladno je Čepiga (aka Boširov) prodao kola Miškinu (aka Petrovu). Quote What’s in a number: how love for expensive cars and number plates revealed the second Skripal suspect’s indentity https://citeam.org/whats-in-a-number-how-love-for-expensive-cars-and-number-plates-revealed-the-second-skripal-suspects-indentity/ (engleska verzija) https://citeam.org/petrov-mishkin/ (ruska verzija) Edited October 9, 2018 by vememah
Redoran Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 Identitet pouzdano utvrđen na dark webu. Lebe mekani... Forenzikatm standardna: anonimni donatori, javno dostupni fajlovi koje samo mi imamo, ljudi bliski ovoj dvojici fantoma koji samo sa nama pričaju iako mi niti smo u Rusiji niti govorimo ruski, naše prethodno iznete tvrdnje. Sve garnirano blurovanim brojevima i amaterski fotošopovanim fotografijama. Isuse i svi sveci...
namenski Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) Ma bre uobicajena zbirovska posla koja se nece promeniti niti su se promenila od kako je sveta i veka: nekome odgovara da stvar podgreva i ne da joj da se ohladi, neko bi da se pere, a da pri tom ufleka nekog drugog, neko bi da digne tiraz, neko da zaigra staru igru 'drzte lopova...', takozvani obavestajni polusvet i poluljudi koji se motaju oko njega bi da malo love u mutnom, sve je to toliko puta vec vidjeno... Glupo je i nekorisno, obaska sto nista ne dokazuje/pokazuje na takozvanom politickom, sustinskom planu, uopste se baviti time, dok su mnogo interesantnije su reakcije publike poput raznih Sanceza, kojima su ovakve situacije bogomdana prilika da pokazuju i dokazuju svoje pravoverstvo u situacijama koje izgledaju kao bogom dane za demonstraciju pripadnosti pravojtm strani. Tako, recimo, u senci nazovi spijunske afere kojoj bi se u stara dobra vremena Hladnog rata smejali, promice izjava - ovo samo primera radi, obaska sto se od raznih sanceza nece cuti - sefa britanskog generalstaba opotrebi obnavljanja aktivnosti na Arktiku, a sve to zarad ruske pretnje i u uslovima kada otapanje ledenog pokrivaca donekle olaksava vojne aktivnosti u tom podrucju. I u skladu s tim upucivanje prve grupe kraljevskih marinaca na obuku u Norvesku, aktivnost koja je obnovljena prvi put posle Hladnog rata... @vememah mislim da tracis talenat, sposobnosti i vreme: zbirovske, pandurske budalastine poput ove - pritom mislim na obe strane - se nece raspraviti na Internetu ili podacima sakupljenim na njemu, barem ne u realnom vremenu. Aki i kada ispliva i ako nece biti nista vise do fusnote, ako i toliko. Edited October 10, 2018 by namenski
vememah Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 Quote Skripal attack: GRU suspect Mishkin traced to Russian village By Sergei Goryashko, Andrei Soshnikov and Andrei Zakharov BBC Russian 9 October 2018 For most of the year, Loyga is accessible only via a narrow-gauge railway, ending at a dilapidated old depot The tiny village of Loyga in the Russian far north is not the kind of place you would expect to be at the centre of an international spy scandal. With fewer than 1,000 inhabitants, it has rail access but no paved roads. It's too small even to show up on Google Maps. But Loyga has proved crucial to piecing together the story of the real "Alexander Petrov" - the second man the UK authorities suspect over the Skripal poisoning case in Salisbury. On Monday the Bellingcat online investigations team announced they had discovered Mr Petrov was actually Dr Alexander Mishkin, born in Loyga, in the Archangel region. So BBC Russian began trawling through Russian social media sites. They looked for people aged between 29 and 49 who were born in Loyga, and within two hours they had found four who all remembered Alexander Mishkin from their school days and recognised him from the photographs uncovered by Bellingcat and, crucially, from the UK official photo of the Skripal suspect "Petrov". Former GRU intelligence officer Sergei Skripal - who sold secrets to Britain's MI6 - and his daughter Yulia survived the poisoning with Novichok nerve agent on 4 March, after emergency hospital treatment. Later Dawn Sturgess, 44, was exposed to the same nerve agent and died in hospital. UK government sources do not dispute the name - Alexander Mishkin - given by Bellingcat. Denis Krasnov was born in Loyga and now works for a diamond company in the city of Vologda, also in the Russian far north. He immediately recognised Alexander from the photos. Of the four Loyga residents contacted he was the one who knew the most and agreed to speak by phone to BBC Russian. "[He] was two classes ahead of me," Mr Krasnov said. "We didn't know each other very well, as we had different groups of friends and lived on opposite sides of the village, but I knew who he was." Computer games fan Alexander Mishkin did well at school, he said. He liked video games and music and was a techno fan. "He liked to play on his Sega games console. He used to organise discos, and his preference was for Western DJs like Mo-Do [from Italy] and E-Type [from Sweden]." The young Mishkin lived in Loyga with his parents and younger sister Maria. His father was a forestry worker, Mr Krasnov said. In the late '90s, his parents and sister moved to Lomovatka in the Vologda region, between Archangel and Moscow. Alexander remained in Loyga with his grandmother to finish school, Mr Krasnov said. BBC Russian tracked down the parents' marriage certificate: Yevgeny and Tatiana Mishkin were married in 1978 in Loyga. At one point Yevgeny, now aged 63, was director of the Lomovatsky Forestry Enterprise. BBC Russian understands that Tatiana, now 59, worked at the same company at least until 2007. According to our investigations, she still owns a flat in Lomovatka. She did not respond to calls from the BBC. In the mid-2000s, Yevgeny and Alexander Mishkin bought an apartment in the far-north city of Murmansk but they sold it a few years later. Denis Krasnov lost touch with Alexander when the two left school. He remembers that Mr Mishkin enrolled in a military academy. "I haven't seen him for 15 years. I think he lives in Moscow now." In fact BBC Russian discovered that in 2007, Mr Mishkin was registered as living at 12 Academic Lebedev Street in St Petersburg. According to Google Maps, the building is next to the Military Medical Academy, where most Russian military doctors do their training. Bellingcat reports that Mr Petrov/Mishkin graduated from one of the "elite military medical academies", where he trained to be a naval doctor. It was at medical school that he first caught the eye of senior commanders. His story in many ways mirrors the career path of the other Skripal suspect, Anatoly Chepiga - alias Ruslan Boshirov. He was also from a small, remote village in a far-flung part of Russia. Mr Chepiga was born in Beryozovka, 8,000km (5,000 miles) east of Moscow, near the Chinese border. Again, it appears, joining the military offered an escape from poverty. Top Russian honour By 2010, according to our investigations, Mr Mishkin had re-registered at an address on Khoroshevskoye Highway in Moscow, which also houses the headquarters of the GRU, the Russian military intelligence agency. Denis Krasnov remembers hearing that Mr Mishkin had been awarded a prestigious Hero of Russia medal. "Lots of people in Loyga were talking about it at the time." According to Bellingcat, the medal was bestowed on him by President Vladimir Putin, long before the Salisbury mission. Mr Chepiga - caught on Salisbury CCTV cameras with Mr Mishkin - had also received that award. The publicity has prompted other former and current residents of Loyga to get in touch with the BBC. Their village may be tiny but now it has a big story to tell. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45799037
namenski Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, vememah said: Alexander Mishkin did well at school, he said. He liked video games and music and was a techno fan. Koliko godina ima, bez zezanja, ovaj Miškin?
vememah Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 I ruski poslovni kanal RBK tvrdi da je u Lojgi pronašao osobe koje su u "Petrovu" prepoznale Miškina. Quote В поселке Лойга, где по данным расследователей The Insider и Bellingcat родился Александр Мишкин, узнали его на фотографиях Александра Петрова, фигурирующего в «деле Скрипалей».Житель Лойги Денис подтвердил РБК, что человек на фото — это Александр Мишкин. По его словам, Мишкина он не видел с окончания школы. «У нас как школьные годы закончились, так больше и не виделись. Тогда телефонов еще не было, не было возможности общаться, соответственно, у каждого своя жизнь началась», — рассказал он.Еще один житель поселка подтвердил РБК, что на снимке Мишкин. «Я его помню только по школе. Точно помню, учился он хорошо. Родители вроде в начальниках работали, так что семья благополучная была», — отметил он. https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5bbcc0799a794762fa803acd
vememah Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 30 minutes ago, namenski said: Koliko godina ima, bez zezanja, ovaj Miškin? 39. https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2018/10/09/full-report-skripal-poisoning-suspect-dr-alexander-mishkin-hero-russia/ https://citeam.org/whats-in-a-number-how-love-for-expensive-cars-and-number-plates-revealed-the-second-skripal-suspects-indentity/
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