Politika u UK

[dragance]

Bru tal no

 

Ovo je razlog zasto volim politiku, mahinacije i "krv" - niko to ne radi bolje od Britanaca!

[MaryPoppins]

Zašto? (Nisam upućena u britansku scenu, tek sad oko brexita sam prvi put čula za nju.)

 

Uh, svako od ovih pitanja je esej za sebe, a ja nemam vremena. Za potrebe kratkog i slatkog odgovora, pusticu Terusku da govori sama za sebe. Tory Party Conference 2011.  Dovoljno je videti samo prvih 2 min videa. Human rights must go. 

 

 

Ovo dole, nekad kasnije. Ja sam svim srcem navijala za Korbina, no sad se nesto dvoumim. Mozda sam upotrebila prejake reci u postbrexitovskom zaru, medjutim smatram da je prilicno doprineo celom haosu.    

I zašto je Korbin potpuni ludak?

[Hamlet Strašni]

Kažu za njega da je verovatno glasao za bregzit...

 

 

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[MancMellow]

Ma nije bitno za sta je on licno glasao... Mislim svaki levicar koji je glasao za Brexit je prosto budala.

[MaryPoppins]

Poznato je odavno - zapravo otkako se pojavio na politickoj sceni - da je on, blago receno, 'euroskeptik', te me to ne bi iznenadilo. No, ako je resio da podrzi Remain kampanju, onda je trebalo daleko vise da zalegne. Sramota me da kazem, al mi bilo milo - ne bas milo, al nisam mogla da se ne slozim, kad ga je pre kolko 10ak dana prozvao Kameron u Parlamentu tokom PMQ za mlohavo ucesce u kampanji, odnosno kad mu je rekao ako ovako izgleda kad ti poturis ledja za nesto, onda me zivo zanima kako je kad nisi usao u nesto svim srcem (parafraziram). 

 

Bilo kako bilo, Korbin jeste dosao kao veliko osvezenje posle mlitavog Eda Milibanda i nada u bolji Labour koji moze da izadje Torijevcima na crtu i odnese neke izbore (bez obzira na ogromni otpor u stranci od samog starta), ali se u medjuvremenu sve to rasulo. Prosto je 'neizboriv'. U nekom scenariju i kad bi Labour uzeo neke buduce izbore sa Korbinom na celu, otvara se cela serija pitanja - ko bi sedeo u kabinetu, kakvu bi podrsku imao u parlementu (od svojih poslanika) i sl. Podseca me malo na Cedu Jovanovica, kad bi Ceda imao principe i policies. 

 

Umesto da se sad pravi jos dublji razdor u bednoj opoziciji, trebalo bi da se zgusnu redovi i konsoliduju laburisti da bi za 3 godine imali kakvu takvu sansu.

 

Nego, jesam ja dobro videla il je Nik Kleg ispuzao ispod kamena i reko nesto na vestima? Moz biti da sam sanjala. Lose. 

 

A ovo sto gore Manc kaze, sasvim je tacno, nije bitno kako je on glasao, to je na kraju krajeva njegova licna stvar, ali ne sme da utice necinjenjem na ishod izbora. Ispade jebote da je Boris vodio Leave kampanju, a bio za remain, a ovaj 'podrzao svom snagom' Remain, a navijo za leave. Samo cekam da se odnekud pojavi ludi sesirdzija. 

 

+ najnoviji edit:

 

Bas me nesto zanima kakav je sad Teruskin stav spram ovog igranja muzickih stolica. Onomad kad je Brown (pu pu) nasledio Blera () ona se poprilicno koprcala kako to nije demokratski, kako to mora da se na izborima resi, kakav je to molim vas nacin da se tako samo promeni premijer bez da se narod pita. Sta cemo sad, druze predsednice? Pardon, drugarce Premijerko? 

Edited July 12, 2016 by MaryPoppins

[Gandalf]

http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21701783-labour-party-heading-split-hasta-siempre-comandante

 

...movements epitomise Mr Corbyn’s democratic ideal. They consider themselves less election-fighting machines than revolutionary upswells; multitudes that primarily exercise power not through the legislature but through the charismatic influence of their leaders and by taking to the streets to give voice to popular anger. They seek to “prefigure”, or embody, a different sort of society by creating their own deliberative structures: from assemblies and single-issue campaigns to occupations and co-operatives. This style of politics is attractive to those on Labour’s left, like the current leader, who for decades have deemed their party’s boring “parliamentary road to socialism” inadequate, and its leadership hijacked by right-wing entryists such as Tony Blair. For them, MPs owe their first legitimacy not to voters but to the movement: to the members and the leader they have elected.

 

Hence the now-unfolding conflict. Over the ten months of his leadership Mr Corbyn has made only token efforts to render his party appealing to the electorate. His priority has been to coddle his left-wing activists...

[Takeshi]

frenki bojl u gardijanu  ^_^

 

Theresa May has vowed to unite Britain – my guess is against the poor

 

It’s hard to know whether all this is taking it out of Corbyn, due to his clever tactic of starting each day looking like he slept in his car. 

Edited July 12, 2016 by Takeshi

[MaryPoppins]

SAD htela da postujem to! :D Udavila sam se danas. Frenki, kao i uvek, u sridu! 

 

Prepun je predivnih bisera, ovaj mi se takođe dopada:

 

You’ve got to say that at this crisis point the Labour party should be concentrating on doing what it’s good at, and surely that isn’t elections. Jimmy Savile armed with a cloak of invisibility let loose at Hogwarts would have more self control than the Labour party

Edited July 12, 2016 by MaryPoppins

[Prospero]

You’ve got to say that at this crisis point the Labour party should be concentrating on doing what it’s good at, and surely that isn’t elections. Jimmy Savile armed with a cloak of invisibility let loose at Hogwarts would have more self control than the Labour party.

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Seriously, do you want the right to stop acting as if the Brexit vote was a mandate for racism? Stop telling them that it was a mandate for racism. A generation of liberals who voted for Blair and then Clegg are demonising the people who gut their salmon at 4am for not knowing that leave were lying to them. “We were changing the EU from within!” cry a group of people who stayed home watching Netflix while 21 Ukip members were voted in at the 2014 European elections. Meanwhile, Farage spent the referendum taking a group of undecideds and, with Nazi imagery and a pledge to let Syrians die, got their support. A trick he learned from Hillary Benn.

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Churchill’s on the back, presumably because he best reflects the current state of the UK economy – “Never was so much owed by so many ...”

 

 

 

Odličan :D

[hazard]

 

 

So where are we? Well, we have an opposition dedicated to opposing itself, and a country so heavily dependent on money laundering that we just brought out a waterproof fiver. Churchill’s on the back, presumably because he best reflects the current state of the UK economy – “Never was so much owed by so many ...”

 

 

edit: prospero brzi

Edited July 12, 2016 by hazard

[hazard]

http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21701783-labour-party-heading-split-hasta-siempre-comandante

 

Economist otvoreno podrzava raspad Laburista, ko bi rekao

[MaryPoppins]

Bog je Frenki. Nego, zajebite te neozbiljne teme, najvažnija vest dana je da Leri ostaje u #10. 

 

 

 

 

a na neozbiljnu temu: Tim Feron u Gardijanu

 

Just over a year after the last general election, the Conservatives have plunged the UK into chaos with David Cameron gambled with the country on Brexit, and now a Tory leadership election has turned into a coronation.

It is simply inconceivable that Theresa May should be crowned prime ministerwithout even having won an election in her own party, let alone the country. I believe there must be a general election. I thought it when Gordon Brown became prime minister and I think it now. The Conservatives must not be allowed to ignore the electorate, particularly now their mandate is shattered and whatever programme May offers can’t look like the platform she stood on in 2015.

Edited July 12, 2016 by MaryPoppins

[Prospero]

Too Big to Jail:
 

Osborne intervened in US HSBC money-laundering probe, report says
Ben McLannahan in New York


UK chancellor George Osborne sought to help HSBC avoid criminal charges in the US for money laundering by warning that a heavy-handed approach from authorities could plunge the global financial system into turmoil, says a new report.

 

Details of the intervention emerged on Monday in a House committee report prepared by Republicans, which sheds new light on the decision in December 2012 by the US Department of Justice to fine the UK lender for laundering cash for drug lords and terrorists, and also for facilitating sanctions-busting by regimes such as Iran.

According to the 228-page report, the DoJ had been considering criminal charges on top of the fine that it levied in December 2012, but faced resistance from Mr Osborne, who worried what a criminal case against the country’s biggest bank could do to the economy. If HSBC had been found guilty of the potential charges, the US government would have been required to review and possibly revoke its licences to do business in the US.

 

Questions over HSBC’s continued ability to clear US dollars “would risk destabilising the bank globally, with very serious implications for financial and economic stability, particularly in Europe and Asia”, wrote Mr Osborne in a letter to Ben Bernanke, who was then the Federal Reserve chairman, and Timothy Geithner, the then-treasury secretary.

 

The then-UK banking regulator, the Financial Services Authority, also “weighed in very strongly” against a criminal prosecution, according to an email from a senior Treasury department staffer. The advice caused a “firestorm” which led the attorney-general at the time, Eric Holder, to overrule the advice of his own prosecutors and not push for criminal action, according to the report.

 

The HSBC settlement intensified a broader debate over whether big banks are so vital to the global economy that they are “too big to jail”. Senators criticised regulators for declining to pursue criminal charges against the likes of Barclays, ING and Credit Suisse, and for settling charges with financial institutions too quickly. In March 2013 Mr Holder told Congress that some banks were “too large” and that their size impeded attempts to bring criminal prosecutions.

 

HSBC declined to comment on the report. A spokesperson for Mr Osborne could not be reached for comment. The DoJ did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

In his letter to Mr Bernanke, dated September 10, 2012, and copied to Mr Geithner, Mr Osborne noted that New York’s Department of Financial Services had recently taken action against Standard Chartered for money-laundering abuses, prompting shares in the London-headquartered bank to drop almost 30 per cent in a single day. He also noted suggestions that UK banks were being unfairly targeted by US authorities — a “narrative” that he described as “unwelcome”.

 

“It is not my intention to interfere with criminal or regulatory action and procedures in the US,” he wrote. “Going forward, however, I would appreciate your assistance in ensuring that enforcement action does not have unintended consequences.”

 

On September 11, the DoJ indicated during an inter-agency co-ordination call that its senior leadership was still “very strongly considering a prosecution”, but wanted “to better understand the collateral consequences of a conviction/plea before taking such a dramatic step”.

 

Three months later HSBC signed a five-year deferred prosecution agreement, agreeing to pay a $1.26bn penalty to the DoJ and a further $665m to other US regulators.

The bank admitted that it allowed itself to be used by money launderers — some of whom visited Mexican branches so regularly that they had designed boxes for drug money that fitted the exact dimensions of tellers’ windows.

 

[MancMellow]

Bog je Frenki. Nego, zajebite te neozbiljne teme, najvažnija vest dana je da Leri ostaje u #10. 

 

 

 

 

a na neozbiljnu temu: Tim Feron u Gardijanu

 

Da je Leri vodio vladu ne bi bilo referenduma. Ništa nije mogao više da zabrlja, taman da je skroz ukinuo VAT na mačju hranu i mleko

[MaryPoppins]

Živa istina. In other news, NEC izglasao u Korbinovu korist, 18:14. 

Edited July 12, 2016 by MaryPoppins