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da Pomorsko vece? za krepat'od smija ... ti Vjeko tribas spakirat' kofere (znas li kako se kaze ona mornarska vrica? na dalmoski) i pravac Jadran .. najpri' Dalmacija.ye .. znan da volis taj Osijek al' brale .. dis' tamo peMziju docekivat'? kupis lipo komad zem'je i polako .. za pocetak satorcic a onda i kamencic/kamencic. poslin sve to pritvoris u palacu .. ozelenis i uzivas u zalasku sunca .. a zet ti dolazi u posjetu .. a i unucic .. da bome *mili boze kud svi ti tankeri polovidu aaa .. sibenska .. plosna .. tanker (skoro san reka yugo) .. stranac na strancu .. primi pozdrave .. silji pozdrave .. zenice doma podizu dicu a cale hop pa dolarcic .. svako malo.i unda' .. seri ga .. .. naleti Amazona, Maroko ... hebi ga .. ko je ukrca sto je ukrca .. tko zna? ako kapetan ne zna

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asti Gospe, a kako bi ja to zna? u mornarici smo ju zvali sak (valjda od talijanskog sacco), a kako vi to doli zovete, ne znan. reci. sto se zemlje i vikendice tice, nisam ja taj tip. onda moram tamo, na jedno/isto mjesto, svako ljeto, a to iritira. al ko zna, mozda jednog dana, ipak. htjeli su moji starci tako zavrsit na nekom otoku, al su odustali, jer na divnim & egzoticnim otocima, starim ljudima - nije mjesto. krene jugo ili okrene na buru, i mo's se slikat. a capi te infarkt, recimo. ili konkretnije, dijabetes, trebas inzulina. i sta's - trazit galeba za uslugu?ma... (al dobar ti je savjet, generalno).Emisija za pomorce51 kg kokaina na onoliku tankercinu - pa evo ga, ceka kapetan jos jednu godinu pocetak sudjenja. a Predsjednik garantira da bi on to mogao i sa slobode, al Grci ne fermaju. ako mene pitas, nije u redu, al sta's - ko mene pita. al fakat nije u redu, 'bes ti sudjenje nakon par godina grckog 'pritvora'....

kazem samo da si onomad inzistirao
pa nije bilo bas tako, ali ajde de. onomad sam ja ucestvovao i gore na Politici, pa sad vise ne ucestvujem, jer nije dobro po zdravlje (evo, i Marion Jones negdje prije vratila olimpijske medalje, sta's). ako se sjecas, govorio sam ti da pises na svom, cakavskom, i da batalis standard koji te toliko buni i ne dozvoljava slobodan tok misli. takodjer, hvalio sam Lorenza i Preshevarija sto (tako umješno) koriste stokavstinu, umjesto svog, materinjeg jezika - zato sto oni imaju puno pravo na jednom srpskom 'ne damo Kosovo' forumu pisati - albanski. naravno, postavlja se pitanje - tko bi ih razumio? ovi koji 'ne daju Kosovo'? aha. btw. si gledao one nase rukometase kako ginu? jesi, znam. a jesu li 'oni'? mis'im, naucili stogod? Slavene, ja tvoj materinji imam volje citati/uciti. i vjerujem da ovdje, na Kavici, nisam jedini. uostalom, da znam (osjecam) izvornu sokacku ikavicu, ja bih na njoj sad hladno, bez ikakvog pardona, ovdje pisao. samo, ne znam/nabadam. kao i madjarski, kao i onu arhaicnu podravsku scakavicu. pa necu valjda frljat na 'materinjem'? to bi bilo smijesno. al drugo je nas forum, a drugo je skolstvo. mi u Hrvatskoj trenutno imamo tri pravopisa, ako ne grjesim. halo, tri komada. pa sunce mu zarovo, evo, kazem ti, napravi ti cetvrti, u par tomova (za svaku regiju posebno i jedan generalni, za turiste)... jer ispada da od viska ne boli glava. osim kad izadjes na nacionalni ispit ili maturu pa te 'vise instance' zbombaju radi - nepismenosti. e, onda ti svom (ili mom) ditetu objasnjavaj da su ga srusili iz - politickih, a ne lingvistickih razloga. .
oli to vise ne triiba?
neka njega, nikad ne znas kad ce zatrebat. evo, npr. za zerp. valjda su ga zato i stavili na pocetak kolone, kao avangardu. inace pisi propalo.kohposter01md3.jpg
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- ja kad god mogu, ponedjeljkom, slusam Pomorsko vece. vjerovali vi meni ili ne, ta emisija ide vec - 56 godina. slovima - pedeset i sest. malo li je? evo linka, pa se prikljucite -> HR1 Pomorsko vece. taman pocelo (zatvorili nam Grci kapetana, pa to ti je).
A, ja mislio da samo ja to slusam u ovom Panonskom moru. :D
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na divnim & egzoticnim otocima, starim ljudima - nije mjesto. krene jugo ili okrene na buru, i mo's se slikat. a capi te infarkt, recimo. ili konkretnije, dijabetes, trebas inzulina. i sta's - trazit galeba za uslugu?ma... (al dobar ti je savjet, generalno).
hehe, kad bolje pogledas ono na otocima - samo stari ljudi zive .. no kad smo vec kod doktora .. u'nas imas doktoricu .. ja se redovno razboljevam (kad sam u prilici) nebi li je ikako - nasa' na samo .. al' nikako .. vec godinama eto je l' vis da znas - sak oli ti amerikanka .. a za kapetana .. cuj to nisu cista posla pod jedan pod dva cini mi se da je u'sve umjesani nekakav dug izmedju tko zna koga .. u cemu kapetan - ispasta. cudi me da se u sve nije umjesala i vlada a ne samo predsjednik! to je ono sto mi je znakovito?
jer ispada da od viska ne boli glava
ah pa znas ti kakovih jezikoslovaca u Hrvatskoj imade .. monstrumi al' nije problem u 1/2/3 ili 4 sustina problema je u pitanju Tko ili Sto ce to - rekli bi Nijemci - umsetzen. jer vidi .. problem nije u djeci .. jasno je to svima .. problem je u sveukupnoj reformi drustva pa u tom smislu i skolstva .. no s reformom mora >nadoci< i novi nacin razmisljanja .. odnos prema svemu i svacemu .. prema novcu prema religiji prema drustvu .. jednom rijecju - prema bliznjem a svom.tek tad neces imati problem s jezikom jer kako vec rekoh danas .. on (jezik) u ovom trenutku ne >zeli< bit' kohezioni faktor unutar hrvascine, s razlogom. znaci, trebas nesto drugo sto ce te ucinit - istim a posebnim i tek tad od jezika mozes ocekivati - to sto ocekujes. reforma je samo jedna od mogucnosti, ne i jedina ali svakako prva stvar koju hrvatsko drustvo mora uciniti kao iskorak.danas skolstvo - reproducira prosjecnost .. fali na sve strane koje god hoces zanimanje .. od onog naj do onog goreg .. nebitno jer i zanimanje smecarmoras odrzati u konceptu - bliznji a svoj. tu bi se trebalo ugledati na skandinavske zemlje te svakako na Nijemce i Slovake te pomenutu - dicu - brze raslojavati jos poslije 4 osnovne te prepoznavati one najjace i u njih ulagati - vise .. s jacim programima .. drugo .. vezivati skolstvo uz privredu .. s trajnom i konstantnom statistikom gdje treba i kome treba .. stvoriti jednu solidnu generaciju koja ce sama sebepodrzavati u nastojanju ka - boljem.i ako je moguce - sve to bez velike ovisnosti o EU .. skupljajuci najbolje od svih .. stvoriti jednu generaciju gdje ce ti kondukter u vlaku ili policJot na ulicigovoriti jedan ili dva strana jezika. tek tada ce ti maternji poprimiti dimenziju - istoga. *kad vidim gdje ce ova koalicija pokusat' ubaciti lovu za sljedece 4 godine .. muka me spopadne od rasipanja koje nema nikakvu vrijednost kultura, sport, usluzne djelatnosti i znanje je buducnost .. poljoprivreda je, na ovakav nacin - rupa bez dna.
evo, npr. za zerp.
zerp treba braniti .. kako je ono znao rec' pokojni Stipe - treba rec' - popu pop a bobu bob petnaest ovakvih policijskih .. i da vis' cije je .. narucis ih od Nijemaca .. das dvadeset decki na kurs u njemacku policiju i onda iz svakog otoka postavis - po jednog.pa parkiraj jahte di te volja bez pristojbe i lovi ribu kad ti se digne ona stvar .. os' kako nes' g85R0706_468x372.jpg
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A, ja mislio da samo ja to slusam u ovom Panonskom moru.
ih, tako i ja mislim da jedini u Osijeku redovito slusam Radio Sljeme (ekstremno opusta, poput klasicne glazbe), no vjerojatno grijesim. uostalom, nasa ti je Panonija puna cudaka. umalo rekoh ludjaka. pa ni onaj Joza Horvat nije Dalmos, a bogami, i Madjari su (bili i ostali) bolji plivaci od nas. i kad sam vec kod Madjara (i kulture), kad bih rekao da su Slavonci isli kod njih pedesetih godina proslog stoljeca slusat ploce i ucit rock & roll, ispao bih budala u drustvu. al to je cinjenica. nego, da se vratim ja na ove nase cudake/ludjake. kad jednom zadjes u taj skriveni svijet amatera/entuzijasta, postoji velika sansa da se izgubis. ne znam esi gledao, ide jedna emisija na HTV-u, vodi ju Josko Martinovic, a zove se Globalno sijelo. i ajd, kad je to krenilo, ja sam rekao - okej, zanimljivo (recimo, bio prilog o jednom mom frendu sa Papuka, inace ga svi zovu Indijanac), samo sto cete/o cemu/kome cete praviti reportaze nakon par mjeseci? mis'im, mala je Hrvatska. kad ono, klinc, evo, ide vec godinama. cudaka/ludjaka na sve strane. ne znam, to je meni bas - simpa. znas da, recimo, postoji klub ljubitelja spaceka? i hladno se oni, vec godinama (decenijama), sa svih prostora bivse Juge - okupljaju i druze. ili se okupe oko neke ajkule, sjednu, i dive se. to konkretno znaci da kad bih ja sutra nabavio nekog starog spaceka (ili dijanu, npr), i krenio po tebe u Novi Sad, pa onda zapalimo (sve sa otvorenim krovom i onom hippie maramom vezanom za retrovizor), recimo, u Grcku, i crkne nam spaco negdje kod Nisa - samo okrenemo mobitel i za manje od sat vremena stize u pomoc kolega/ludjak iz najblizeg sela/grada, konkretno spomenutog Nisa. spaco se opravi/zamjeni novim/starim dijelovima za deset minuta i - sibaj dalje. eto, tako su oni organizirani (do savrsenstva), nista rat ovo ono, trc mrc, ljubav prema citroenima jaca je. ili pak, ne znam, ima ih, recimo - audiofili. taj ti je svijet vjerojatno blizi. pa te spike o zvucnicima, pojacalima, lampasima, pa kad te sjedne u fotelju, namjesti/centrira (nema mrdas!) - i pusti neke tamo testing zvuke. a ti se lagano znojis jer znas da je na doticno pojacalo spizdio par tisuca eura (ili samo kablove, npr) i putovao po njega u vrazju mater/par dana kod nekog frenda u Italiju - sta's mu rec ako ti sound bas i nije 'cist'? i onda ono - pa kako ne cujes/osjetis razliku, kako je moguce?! (na stranu to sto ja recimo imam apsolutan sluh, a sto je on, glede spomenutog, npr. totalna truba). i nema tu zene/djece/pasa - kuca se radi da bude studio/slusaonica, a tek onda, ako ostane prostora/novaca - ostalo. ukoliko slucajno zaviris/udjes u tu njegovu magicnu prostoriju i eventualno obrises prasinu s nekog (ekstremno otvorenog) gramofona koji tezi kojih 150 kila - slijedi brakorazvodna parnica. ne, ovo nije pretjerivanje, ozbiljno pricam. al takav je to svijet - amatera/entuzijasta. cudaka/ludjaka. ipak, dragih ljudi....Slavene, gibam spavat, sutra te procitam, ako se ne ljutis, malkic sam umoran. .laku noc
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Januar se otegao gore od gladne godine. Groundhog Day daleko,a u gori raste zelen bor. Dok se gospoda i drugovi 'koji se pitaju' nagode kako ce govoriti, ne kako ce se razumijeti,samo govoriti, svijet ce da predje na novi standard, novi jezik, novo carstvo, mozda i u novu galaksijui tako... ja velim - gubljenje vremena, jezik ce se sam kaz'ti.Nova valuta = 1 litar vode, a negdje i galon.Mene pitate? Nemam pojma, ja(skoro da) brkam potato i tomato i ne marim,sto je najljepse. Ima ista? Nesto malo... nista, ne znam.

JOSH GROBAN / LYRICS"February Song"Where has that old friend goneLost in a February songTell him it won't be longTil he opens his eyes, opens his eyesWhere is that simple dayBefore colors broke into shadesAnd how did I ever fadeInto this life, into this lifeAnd I never want to let you downForgive me if I slip awayWhen all that I've known is lost and foundI promise you I, I'll come back to you one dayMorning is waking upAnd sometimes it's more than just enoughWhen all that you need to loveIs in front of your eyesIt's in front of your eyesAnd I never want to let you downForgive me if I slip awaySometimes it's hard to find the groundCause I keep on falling as I try to get awayFrom this crazy worldAnd I never want to let you downForgive me if I slip awayWhen all that I've known is lost and foundI promise you I, I'll come back to you one dayWhere has that old friend goneLost in a February songTell him it won't be longTil he opens his eyesOpens his eyes

Koji chemer, trositi ochi charne na ovoj led, koji nije pogledjezerodu3.jpgVeceras State of the Union, led vani, kokice u rerni i nek ide zivot.

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evo ja sam ti to tija rec' al' mi komp opet ne sljaka :wink: *a ujedno obavJescaJem sveprisutni publikum da sam - drugi diJa - bac'Ja u smece .. tako da vise nema straha da cu ponavljat' pokusaje **gdja elle a sto ste naN lipoga radili u Opatiji .. el' to ona splitska lozinka - rakovi i skoljke? :rolleyes:
a Slavene, ti prepricaj :) lipoga sam i Opatiji ovaaaaaj :rolleyes: pa je.. lozinka, a zaprav se vracala iz Tutunoberachite
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u gori raste zelen bor. Dok se gospoda i drugovi 'koji se pitaju' nagode kako ce govoriti, ne kako ce se razumijeti,samo govoriti, svijet ce da predje na novi standard, novi jezik, novo carstvo, mozda i u novu galaksijui tako... ja velim - gubljenje vremena, jezik ce se sam kaz'ti.Nova valuta = 1 litar vode, a negdje i galon.Mene pitate? Nemam pojma, ja(skoro da) brkam potato i tomato i ne marim,sto je najljepse. Ima ista? Nesto malo... nista, ne znam.Morning is waking upAnd sometimes it's more than just enoughWhen all that you need to loveIs in front of your eyesIt's in front of your eyes
:wub: tocno san zna da ce uslijediti ovakva sto, hehe .. al' imam i primjedbu .. prije no sto se gospoda&drugovi nauce govoriti trebalo bi pocet' ucit' Kako - slusati/cuti da se mnogobrojne gorovine nebi iznova pretvarale u ---> borovine.za novu valutu isto tako .. sto rekoh .. sve 5 al' ja bih gdja Indira voliJa vidit' tu - generaciju doma koja em' slusa/cuje em' razumije em' govori.bez obzira na sve .. uostalom ako di i bude falilo vode na najzadnju ce je faliti tamo. znaci u prednosti smo.fala na veljaci ... vodenjacki poz *elle el' to R-O-S po onoj iz Pomorske veceri ---- iskrcas se s broda u Maleziji pa priko Singapura na Amsterdam/Frankfurt - Zagreb?O bi mu onda dosA - Amsterdam/Frankfurt il' Singapur? Citta di Rovigno/Grad Rovinj .. lipo misto
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Priča o mom Albancu Piše: Miljenko Jergović--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Jutarnji list hr

U ono je vrijeme svaki punoljetni muškarac s odsluženom vojskom imao priču o svome Albancu. Ta je priča u pravilu trebala biti smiješna, jer je u njoj Albanac bivao drukčiji od nas.I uvijek o nečemu nije imao pojma. Ili je u vojsci prvi puta vidio frižider, ili se čudio da iz kazetofona pjeva šaban šaulić, iako je prije pet minuta pjevao iz televizora, ili je bio nepismen i nije znao ni dvije riječi našega jezika. U ono vrijeme kada su muškarci uživali u tome da zabavljaju društvo u kafiću pričom o svome Albancu, neznanje tog našeg jezika bilo je za nas nešto kao teži oblik mentalne retardacije. Otprilike kao što je danas za Amerikanca nečije nepoznavanje engleskoga. Muškarci su rado imitirali svoga Albanca koji nije znao govoriti, a oni koji su pritom imali i imitatorskoga dara, postajali su omiljeni i društvu, pa bismo svaki put kad bismo bili nešto neraspoloženi tražili da malo imitiraju svoga Albanca. To koliko bi nas takva imitacija znala razgaliti potvrđuje i činjenica da su neki od imitatora načinili i solidne javne zabavljačke i glumačke karijere. Nekoliko takvih su zvijezde i na današnjim hrvatskim televizijama, a Radio 101 se u svojim špicama i najavama i dan danas koristi imitiranjem Albanca koji govori hrvatski. To je neobično, jer je prošlo već skoro punih osamnaest godina otkako se punoljetni Hrvati ne vraćaju iz JNA s pričom o svome Albancu.Moj Albanac, u augustovskoj klasi 1984, u Sjevernoj kasarni u Kninu, zvao se Fadilj Ćesko. Bio je visok jedva metar šezdeset, pa još pogrbljen. Kad bi ga vidjeli, oficiri i podoficiri bi se skoro počinjali smijati. Naravno, i obična vojska je to osjećala, tako da nije bilo onoga tko bi bio tako sitan i neznatan, tako glup i nikakav, da Fadilja ne bi gledao s visine. A njemu je bilo uglavnom svejedno, onako pristojno osmjehnutom, s licem starca, kakva se nekada znaju vidjeti na posve mladim ljudima iz tih nekih, nama dalekih krajeva. Bio je jedan od onih tipova, tako sigurnih i čvrstih, koji nemaju ama baš ništa protiv kada ih rulja ismijava. Na žalost svojih ratnih drugova, odlično je govorio taj naš famozni jezik, pa im s te strane nije mogao biti smiješan. U civilstvu je studirao, svirao bas gitaru i imao svoj reggae band, koji se zvao Ekonomija. Bio je jedan od rijetkih, ako ne i jedini čovjek u Sjevernoj kasarni u Kninu, s kojim sam mogao razgovarati o muzici. Dok su drugi nedjeljom igrali košarku ili nogomet, ili se goli do pasa međusobno nadmašivali u nekom trećem obliku muškosti, Fadilj i ja sjedili smo na betonu ispred kantine, jeli sendviče s ajvarom i šunkaricom i razgovarali. Sve dok me jednog ponedjeljka nije poslalo ?bezbjednjaku?, nekom mrkom i odbojnom kapetanu prve klase, čini mi se Slovencu, koji me je, onako prijeteći, upitao o čemu ja to razgovaram s vojnikom Fadiljom Ćeskom. O reggaeu, druže kapetane! Molim, vojniče? O Peteru Toshu razgovaramo, i tome slično? Iz koje jedinice je taj Toša?Eto, taj raport kod priglupog ?bezbjednjaka? Slovenca bio je okosnica i vrhunac priče o mome Albancu. Ali što je zanimljivo, malo je kome bila smiješna i zanimljiva. Kodeks jednoga vremena i pretežitog rasističnog raspoloženja nalagao je da nije ?bezbjednjak? taj koji treba ispasti smiješan, nego se moramo smijati Albancima, šiptarima, šipcima, Vater- polistima, koji peru stražnjicu nakon velike nužde umjesto da je brišu toalet papirom ili novinama. Nakon što sam prekomandovan na Lastovo, Fadilja Ćesku više nikada nisam vidio ni čuo, ali nadam se da je živ i da je dobro. I da mu nitko nije učinio nikakvo zlo, jer znam da on zlo činio nije. Kada su 1999. neki Albanci počeli činiti zvjerstva koja im je jugoslavenska propaganda lažno pripisivala prethodnih dvadesetak godina, kada su počeli silovati i ubijati žene i djecu, paliti pravoslavne crkve i manastire i genocidom se osvećivati za genocid, mi smo za kosovske Srbe imali isto onoliko sućuti koliko smo prethodno imali za Albance. A danas se velevažno prenavljamo na temu priznanja Kosova, iako je sa stanovišta političke pameti i osobne časti stvar jednostavna: Hrvatska nezavisnost Kosova treba priznati istoga časa kad i - Srbija.

*za ubit vrijeme .. s Miljenkom ..pa kome se cita ..

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da! kojote, onaj komentar ne moz nikako - il ne odslusas il to ne pomislis, il pomislis i ne napises ilsi vec i bio normalan, pa batalis celu pricu, bez obnarodovanja toka svesti iz daljina kurshlus sinapsi - nema bre veze to sve.marcelo i edo su maajka :)))
izvini Kojote sto te peimenovah iz cista mira (nije bilo hira)a bese zbrljani odgovor na donji post Kojota! (bejah napisala kobac, aj prastaj dobri kojote)
Nisam zno gde ovo da stavim, pa reko ajde ovde.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGzjEWEAPXkMarcelo feat Edo majka. Jedan lik je napisao ovakav komentar:"Dobra pjesma al su mogli bez ovog Turcina...By The Way pjesma totalno jebe koliko je dobra"Ne znam da li da placem ili da se smejem. Koliko treba da si retardiran da odslusas pesmu, a onda napises ovako nesto?
il je preglednije da obrnem redosled kvotnog materijala, neb znalanek stoji sad da ne uprskam opeta videh ja Indira se cudimislim se; sta se cudi, sve sam lepo napisala, ajoj kukala mi kukavicatroll umazan socomoslobodi boze==================================================================
Fadilj i ja sjedili smo na betonu ispred kantine, jeli sendviče s ajvarom i šunkaricom i razgovarali. Sve dok me jednog ponedjeljka nije poslalo ?bezbjednjaku?, nekom mrkom i odbojnom kapetanu prve klase, čini mi se Slovencu, koji me je, onako prijeteći, upitao o čemu ja to razgovaram s vojnikom Fadiljom Ćeskom. O reggaeu, druže kapetane! Molim, vojniče? O Peteru Toshu razgovaramo, i tome slično? Iz koje jedinice je taj Toša?
pa iz koje je bio, ne rece Jergovic :)
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Ima li neko kakvu pouzdanu /izvor mahala/ informaciju o izvjesnom "Homeru",poznatom kao Filip, e ali nije Visnjic, nego Radulovic? Mislim, dali ga neko zna? Njega, familiju, opus, interesovanja, opet njega i sl?Hvalajaooo, legenda umije i da piseI ijaooo de-lux-legenda. ko bi ikad snimio film sa ovoliko glavnih glumica?umorih se brojeci. Ako je Filip i 'izmislio' 3/4 opet mnogo. Nekom u zivot stane mnogo,nekom mnogo, mnogo vise.

Titove žene Reč je samo o ženama sa kojima je J. B. Tito imao decu ili bio u braku: Maruška Novakova, Čenkovo, Čehoslovačka 1912: bila je trudna, Broz nestao na dan venčanja. Liza Spuner, Plzen, Čehoslovačka, 1913: napustio je kada je zatrudnela. Sin Hans Spuner poginuo kao nemački vojnik na Kozari 1942/43. godine. Tereza Stacner, Beč - Zagreb, 1914: blizanci Gabrijela (umrla) i Paul rođeni 1915. godine. Ljuša Sedlovska, selo Korugovo, Rusija, 1915: sin Kiril rođen 1915. Ira Gligorjeva, oženio je 17. jula 1915. u Svjazansku, Rusija, sin Serjoža rođen 1915. Darija Andirelova, sin Josip rođen 1916, poginuo kao sovjetski oficir u Berlinu 1944. Nina i Svetlana Bazan, (bliznakinje), Sankt Peterburg, sin Vladimir rođen 1918. Zuhra Badahur, venčali se 18. marta 1918, sin Kadi rođen 1918. Pelagija Belousova, venčali se 19. juna 1919, sin žarko, rođen 1920. Vida Kogej, sin Dimitrije, rođen 1935. Elza Gerlova, Moskva, sin Viktor, rođen 1937. godine žana Kotije, sin Olivije, rođen 1938. u Parizu Zuhra Reuf, Anadolka, venčani u Parizu, sin Izet rođen 1938. Herta Has, sin Aleksandar Miša, rođen 1941. u Zagrebu Davorjanka Zdenka Paunović, sin Slaviša, rođen 1942. u Foči Jovanka Broz, venčani aprila 1950, kum Aleksandar Ranković Izvor: Filip Radulović: "Ljubavi Josipa Broza"My WomenOnly women with whom Tito allegedly had children or was married to are listed. All the facts are taken from "The Loves of Josip Broz", a book researched with Tito's consent and written by Filip Radulovic. All other women with whom Tito also had relationships of some kind are (in his own words to Radulovic) "too numerous to find out". Marusa Novakova1912, they meet in Cenkovo, Czechoslovakia in 1912. She is a factory apprentice. He doesn't have any money and searches for work. He pretends to be a graduate in engineering from Croatia. They meet at a strike for bigger wages. She is going to school and her father is a doctor. Tito suggests her to take some money secretly from her father. She is shocked. During that time he also meets Mrs. Klara. Marusa does take some money from father so Tito buys himself a suit. He borrows money from other workers constantly and reads a lot. He suggests they would have a child together but she wants to marry first. He promises her marriage. Then she confesses she already is engaged but wants to dump her fianc?. Klara also sends him money and goes to live with her when he learns about Marusa's love. Klara was older than Tito and that stopped him from marrying her. He returned to Marusa after she officially dumped her fianc?. They had plans to move out of Cenkovo and they left for Plzen and stayed at her aunt's. There she learned she was pregnant. He said they should marry immediately. He took a job at Skoda car factory in Plzen, where he met Liza Spuner who invited him to Vienna. On the day of marriage when all the wedding guests were arriving he went away to Vienna... Son Leopard Novakov, born 1913, an economist, lives in Prague; Liza SpunerThey meet in Plzen, Czechoslovakia in 1913, later they live together in Vienna at her apartment. She's a high society girl with her own mansion that Tito likes very much. He also likes one of the maids. Liza is ten years older than him. When they make love she gets very aggressive and beats him all over his face, chest and the shoulder and even strangles him a bit. He gets scared and locks himself in the bathroom... Later she brings another man into the house and has sex with him as Tito listens. He is very angry. Since then they have a more of a business relationship. He is buying cloth for her throughout Austria for her. Later they get together again and suggests he improves his manners. So Tito learns to ride horses, dancing, fencing, playing the piano. He goes often to the racetracks where he meets Tereza Stacner... He writes love poems for Liza. Slowly the rumors start that he is not what he seems to be... Liza doesn't believe. Tito makes love to the maid he adores. He suggests marriage but she refuses and says she is too old for that. One day she finds out he is stealing cloth from her and gets mad. She tells him to go to church and pray. He went and prayed for two hours. She confessed she is pregnant. He went on a business trip and never came back. In despair she started to drink... Son Hans Spuner, Austrian, 1914, Mechanical Engineer, dies 1942/3 under Kozara on the German side fighting Tito's Partisans; Tereza StacnerCroatian high society girl of Austrian Descent, they meet at the Vienna Racetracks. Later the affair continues in Zagreb, where she was studying. In 1914 he is drafted, and although she tries to help him avoid the Amry, she can not prevent him from being drafted. At the draft he acts being deaf, but is discovered; as a result he almost gets executed and is sent to the Petrovaradin Fort prison. Tereza comes to visit, and later gets him out of jail via her father's influential links in high society. He has to go in the Army and learns how to shoot with firing arms - becomes the best shooter of the garrison and later gets the Austrian Army award as a perfect shooter; he is the third in fencing at the Austrian Army Championship. He is sent to the Russian front, doesn't come back. Paul & Gabriela Stacner, twins, 1915, Zagreb, Gabriela died, Paul became an Engineer; Ljusa SedlovskaMeets her in 1915 in the Korutovo village while on the run from his army unit. She is a young wife of kulak Mihael Sedlovski. He stays at the village and paddles horses; girls come often to just look at him. He meets another girl named Ira Gligorieva and makes love to her in the woods as Ljusa lent him money for an evening dress that he could go dancing. Tito is happy; Ljusa is intelligent, plays piano, she's fluent in French, makes gobelins, goes hunting. Later Ljusa gets angry, because he spends so much time with Ira. He wants to go to America and tells Ljusa to go with him..., but she is afraid of her husband. Tito meets many Russian girls and sleeps with them in all possible places. Ljusa's husband is jelous and suspicious. Once he catches them when making love; he shoots Tito and beats Ljusa who begs him to stop it as she is pregnant... Son Kiril Sedlovski, born 1915 in Russia, a doctor/veterinarian; Ira GligorievaAfter being shot he is taken to a hospital, where a nurse takes care of him - nurse Ira. Ira is jealous of Ljusa, he denies having a child with Ljusa. Ira discusses marriage with him... He is almost arrested by the Tzar Army, but pretends to be ill. On July 17, 1915 he marries Ira Gligorova in Svjazensk, Russia. He gets drunk and repeatedly says he would become the Russian Tzar. They move to the city and live in an apartment. He becomes a supervising technician in the hospital. Ira was actually born into a prince family, but her father sold all their property; so they lived a poor life and quarreled often. Then he meets Daria, a doctor, at a party at Ira's godfather. She is beautiful and is constantly teasing him; so Tito visits her at her villa and sleeps with her... He repeats this procedure more and more often and tells Ira, that he always wanted to dress nicely. Ira gives premature birth in the seventh month and dies after it; Son Serjoza Gligoriev, born 1915, political worker in Brjamsk, former Soviet Union; Daria AndirelovaMeets her when working in the veterinarian dispensary. After Ira dies, he moves to Daria's place; he takes care of the stables. He sleeps with Daria only when she wants to; they do it in the forest as well. They go to Moscow for holidays to her parents' villa in Voronjska street, where he meets Olja Kutina, who studies economy. Darja is pregnant and always follows him; she wants to marry and Tito says yes, but he also says he does not have appropriate papers from Croatia. Olja is visiting him often at his house, so Darja and Tito have a heavy quarrel, and so he leaves her, thinking Olja would accept him. But she doesn't as she is afraid of her father. Darja wants him back, he says she should give him half of her estate, so she decides to leave him forever. He denies being the father of her son. He goes to the city to search for Olja... Son Josip Andirelov, born in 1916, Russia, dies as Red Army Aviation Officer in Berlin in 1944; Nina & Svetlana Bazan (twins)He comes to Sankt Petersburg to visit Nina, whom he met on his winter vacations in Datov, Sibiria, with Olja Kutina, student of economy, and he already slept with Nina there. Upon his return to Moscow with Olja from the winter vacation, he goes directly to Nina in St. Petersburg and never comes back. Nina wants to marry him, he is 25 years old at that time. Both Nina and her twin sister Svetlana practice piano every day. He becomes aware of Svetlana as well, but on his walks he looks after Neva, too. Doctor Bazan notices the money is missing from the family safe; Tito is then already engaged to Nina and quarrels about this money. Later he spends three days he with Svetlana... then both sisters feel sickness; both are pregnant but Svetlana agrees with Tito to say that she is pregnant with one of her professors... Then the October revolution starts, he is put in prison and sent to Sibiria because he has no papers. Son Vladimir Bazan, born 1918 in St. Petersburg, doctor in Petersburg. Zuhra BadahurHe looks as a bourgeois in his winter mink collar coat; while on a prisoner train to Siberia, he jumps off near Omsk. He mingles among local Khirghizes. An old man sends him to see the rich Khirghiz cattle owner Zalid Badahur with 5.000 sheep and 3.000 horses. Tito presents himself as cattle salesman from Dzalal-Abadu; he is greeted with highest honors and put in the nicest yurt. The evening program includes the recital of poetry among others with Zuhra Badahur (nickname Mahabetnama - meaning the God's love), Zalid's daughter... She has long braids; it's here he finds out about the revolution in Russia. Tito says he would buy 1.000 sheep and presents Zalid with an advance payment; they celebrate the deal in the evening and Badahur wants to offer him a girl, but Tito is much more in favor of Zuhra, who sings the song of two shepherds in love... He kisses her, lies about a big library he possesses, and tells her that he is not married; he is thinking about marrying a girl not to be prosecuted by the Red Army. He becomes a shepherd having a relationship with Zuhra; he promises to marry her and her father gives his blessing; on March 18, 1918 Zuhra Badahur marries Joze Brozdun. Zuhra gives him a horse and he names it Ban (Croatian word for Tzar). A few months after the marriage she becomes pregnant and then he finds out he does not love her anymore. When she announces her pregnancy, there is a three day celebration but Tito wants to leave... Then the Red Army comes and asks the people to vote for their representative and they choose Badahur, who gets more votes than there are voters. Zuhra wins a golden horseshoe in a riding contest and the very next morning Tito takes this golden souvenir and leaves for Omsk. Son Kadi Badahur, Khirgiz, born 1918, engineer of petrochemistry in Baku. Pelagija BelousovaTito is riding and riding... he pretends he is a Khirgiz. On his way to Omsk, he gets caught and is taken to prison. During the interrogations for several times a lovely girl enters and leaves the room. It is Pelagija, nicknamed Polka. He finds out he met her in 1917 at a railroad station. She remembers well because she was at that time only 14... He forced her then to... for the very first time... She wants to marry him. She saves him and he gets a kind of a job driving a truck. One day he takes Pelagija and a Party secretary to Omsk where he for the first time sees Lenin's photo. He often drives around to neighbouring villages with Pelagija sometimes joining him. They make love and she tells him he is "a true Eastern Emir". They are allowed to get married, but soon the news breaks out that he is fooling around with a school teacher Ana Ivanovic. But Pelagija Belousova marries Tito on June 19, 1919. Son Zarko Broz, born 1920, Red Army officer, National Hero, lived in Yugoslavia. Vida KogejIn March 1934 he comes out of the prison in Ogulin and stays for a while at Bishop Rozman's Residence. He is being introduced as Engineer Rudi, a representative of an Austrian company. Once he goes for a walk to drink fresh water from the spring in the garden and there he notices a young girl walking toward the spring as well; he looks pale and she thinks he has tuberculosis; he tells her about the prison and invites her to join him for a walk; he speaks about Russia and she seems calm. Many times they meet in the garden, but she stays at a distance. Tito is more and more persistent to Bishop's neighbor; he tells her he plays piano and promises to bolshewize her; she invites him to tea and she plays piano for him; at the end he kisses her fingers; then he plays, but terribly. This makes him sour and he leaves abruptly. For a long time they don't see, she prepares to leave for Vienna to continue to study piano. When they finally meet he apologizes for the last time and kisses her. He persuades her not to go to Vienna yet and so they play piano very often. And also make love. She has to go back for Autumn exams. He asks her to take him with her to Vienna, as he has no papers. They dress as mountaineers and cross the border. In Vienna she is passing the exams and he is meeting communists and bringing other women to their apartment, introducing them to Vida as Communists. She is pregnant, but doesn't make it public, as Tito tells her that that is the Communist ethic... He makes a plan to leave her. One day he comes home and she is packing; he finds the dear john letter. He promises her to marry her. But a few days later they quarrel; she asks: "Why do you attach to women, and when you do, why do you leave them pregnant, so they struggle even more terrible?" He replies: "The woman must protect herself from getting pregnant." And he leaves. Son Dimitrij Kogej, 1935, Vienna, professor of music; Elza GerlachHe is working in Moscow at the Comintern and Elsa has her office beside his. His code name is Valter. He is a bit in love, but she doesn't pay him any attention. She is a true Bolshevist, responsible, beautiful. Nicname: Rider. He invites her to Podmoskovje to a dacha of the Lazutkins, who also work at the Comintern. There are also the Kieglers from Germany. They sleep in the same room and she asks him to do her, but he replies the Croatians are a bit slower with it. He is too drunk to satisfy her. But in the morning he is ok enough to compensate for the missed night activity. While at the Comintern he is once called into the head office because he is reportedly consuming too much electricity in his hotel room. She accuses him of living a life too comfortable for a communist. Then he asks her to form him as a personality and for the first time he admits his faults. He wants to marry her but isn't sure the Comintern would allow it. He is a changed person now, truly conscientious. First he is informed he was nominated for the member of the Executive Committee of the Comintern, but at the Congress he isn't elected. But they get the permission to marry. The registrar asks for any possible hindrances and Tito doesn't admit he is still married to Pelagija and has a child with her, because he could be accused of bigamy, so he says there are none. So they marry and get an apartment with a radio. She travels on secret missions to Germany and France and brings him presents: perfumes and money from some bookshop. But he returns to his old habits. He spends much time with actress Vassilitsa Koveshnikova and offers her marriage. Elza gets pregnant, she follows Tito everywhere and even beats him; he often visits the actress. He decides to revenge. First he is nice but frames her with made up meetings with Western spies in Germany and France. So on November 6, 1936 she is arrested by the NKVD and he moves on to the actress. Son Viktor Gerlach, 1937, Moscow, a German, his fate unknown. Jeanne CoitierIn 1937 he comes to Paris and meets a woman with a daughter on the square where he lives and invites her for a drink. She is Jeanne and he is Jozko Broz. They speak Russian as he doesn't understand French. She is a widow for one year already, her husband, a naval officer, died in an accident and his body never was retrieved; they have lunch; she still wears black, but he tries to persuade her it would be easier for her to go out again. Tells her black doesn't fit her. After some time that he followed her she agrees to teach him French. Daughter's name was Danielle. One day as she is already in bed Tito comes for a lesson in French. And shows Jeanne the French kiss. He is a regular guest of a casino owned by a Russian emigre Matvejeva. There creme de la creme gathers. In the morning hours Jeanne teaches him and doesn't resist any more. He lies about having a job but instead earns money by lucky numbers at the roulette in the casino. There he meets a Turkish lady Mahri, escorted by two Turks in national dresses. He gets a major win and Mahri congratulates and kisses him. He goes to Jeanne's. She warns him she can get pregnant quite easily but they make love. She adores him and he moves to her place. Danielle goes on his nerves. They buy a car and drive around Paris to their rich friends. Danielle hates him and Jeanne gets pregnant. Because Danielle doesn't get along with Tito Jeanne also doesn't want to be with him anymore. He even slaps Jeanne. She runs out of the apartment; he writes a letter and leaves. Son Olivier Coitier, 1938, Paris, lives in Paris, Nuclear Physics expert; Zuhra Reuf-AnadolkaShe is a rich, high society woman. He decides to pay her full attention. He has to prepare himself for his first visit, because there are rumors about him going around Paris - that he is extremely rich and a shareholder of a gold mine in Yugoslavia. He visits his friend Joza Kopinich and tells him that he needs a castle to impress Anadolka. He rents the castle of a Spanish marquee, that lies at the outskirts of Paris. The next day he moves to the castle and lives a luxurious life. He is angry as Jeanne was the first woman that kicked him out. Anadolka is exchanging lovers overnight and makes things because of which her lovers attack one another. They meet. He nicknames himself the Golden Prince. She has a store with silk in Paris. He invites her to the castle and she comes with his driver. His heart is filled with love. She leaves. He visits the Institute for Protocol and is already good in French. He travels to Spain, Russia and Turkey and brings her presents. Together they visit the casino, she invites him to a dinner and they make love. She doesn't take him serious, although he mentions a marriage. She says she would marry him if her father agrees. He insists she give him a golden ring with her initials. She goes to London for three days and in the meantime he spends two days with a woman - Physics professor from Peruggia. Anadolka's father agrees to marriage. They get drunk together and Tito vomits. They fall asleep. The marriage is in Paris, besides her father Ishar there are twenty wedding guests. He invites Cesarec, Kopinic and Kidric. The lunch is at the Hilton hotel. He wants to move to her place and she wants to stay at his mansion. In July they are on their honeymoon in Turkey (Istanbul, Ankara, Izmir and Erurum). He likes the fact that Ishar has a harem and wants to peek at it. The Turk is afraid that Tito would burst into the harem and tells his guard to watch carefully. Tito wants to invest in a gold mine in Turkey. After that Ishar allows him to visit harem with nine women. After the visit Tito says Mashalla. Upon his return to Paris he gives back the castle to the Marquee and says Anadolka he sold it. He is broke and wants to borrow from Kopinic for the gold mine in Turkey for a joint investment. Tito and Kopinic travel to Turkey and sign a deal to buy a five percent share in the mine. He takes over the financial books of her company and sells silk as well. He keeps a journal, but it was not mere a financial one, but also included women. Entries included items like: "November 17, 1938. I arranged a meeting with Mrs. Helen in Hotel Maxim. I have not seen anything so ugly. My tongue got stuck when I saw her. She demanded samples. I said I didn't have any. I asked her to cancel the deal but she refused." He thinks more and more often about returning to politics. So he does and he also visits the casinos. He says he will go to Croatia and gather complete documentation about his status which she has doubts about. He doesn't come back for long. She receives a letter from him that he will return, but soon loses hope. She engages with other men again. He returns to Paris with some papers saying he is a noble man. He is angry she betrayed him. Her two bodyguards throw him out of the mansion. Son Izet Reuf, 1938, Paris, a Turk, lives in Istanbul, salesman; Herta HaasThey meet in 1937 in Paris. She is his courier from Paris to Yugoslavia. In 1940 in Istanbul they agree to marry. She lives with him in a hotel apartment. She is an Austrian. They move to Zagreb and he is hiding from the Germans. She is a Communist Party member, pregnant with Tito and is working on special assignments given by Kopinic. The Germans want to arrest her because they think she is married to Tito. But she is only engaged. They want to have her as a hostage so Tito would turn himself in. But they don't arrest her. She gives birth. Tito is at that time organizing the national uprising in Yugoslavia and wants her to join the Partisans. She gives her son into an asylum, although not happy about it, and is exchanged for a German officer. So she joins the Partisans. There he is already in a relationship with Davorjanka... Herta decides to run away. He agrees. So she does. Son Aleksander Misa Broz, 1941, Zagreb, Croatian; Davorjanka Paunovic-ZdenkaShe is sent to him as a courier in 1941. She studies French, he takes her for his own secretary. He is Secretary General of the Communist Party of Yugoslavia at that time. She accompanies him on his illegal missions including the one to Belgrade... While in Belgrade his favorite is Ljubimka Djodjevic-Buba. But Zdenka pays her visits too. His neighbor is Gestapo Chief for Serbia. In 1942 between Belgrade and Foca they spend their most wonderful moments together. The battle brings them even closer together. The Communist Book of Rules is adopted stating equality and that they are not allowed to have intimate relations. So he tells her. But he uses every opportunity to sleep with her, so his people are always looking for a good spot for them to make love. She is pregnant. He suggests she shouldn't have an abortion. They can give the child in the custody of a family until the war is over... She gives birth and a family in Foca takes the baby. She gets tuberculosis. The Communists want to call a meeting of the Central Committee with one issue only: his personal relationship with his private secretary. At the meeting present were 37 party members, including Aleksandar Rankovic, Milovan Djilas, Mosa Pijade, Cana Babovic, Sreten Zujovic, Vladimir Smirnov... Tito says punish me, but I can't be without her. He has to promise he will marry her after the war is over. So he does. She follows him on all his journeys and through all his battles stands by him although her medical state deteriorates. She doesn't want to get a treatment in Moscow or London. Tito tells her it is impossible to see the child which they will get back after the war. She goes to Moscow for treatment but there instead of getting the treatment she gives speeches. Upon liberation Tito in Belgrade moves to the White Mansion. He sends her to the Golnik Sanatorium. Her condition deteriorates. She dies on May 1, 1948. At her funeral he says: "You were my greatest love." Son Slavisa Paunovic, 1942, Foca, Serbian; Jovanka BrozAfter Davorjanka's death Tito is very introversive. He even says that he doesn't love any woman anymore. He talks to Ivan Krajačić-Stevo, almost a family member. Stevo sent Jovanka to Tito and asks him if he liked her. Tito replies that she is wild and asks for another woman. But Stevo replies he doesn't need a young woman. He suggests Zinka Kunc, a renowned Yugoslav opera singer. Zinka is surprised when Stevo contacts her. "How does Tito imagine this relationship? We do know each other, but never were close... I need time to think." Stevo gives her one day and his business card. She writes a letter to Tito and suggests that they should first become fond of each other and that after marriage Tito must promise to give her total freedom in her professional career - singing in the world's leading opera houses and concert halls. Tito wants to talk to her in person as soon as possible so she pays him a visit. They have dinner and the next morning they have a walk in the garden. Tito promises not to hinder her career but doesn't want her to continue living in Zagreb. She accepts his proposal to move to Belgrade and Tito is very pleased. She moves and they live together. She hates everyone kissing up to Tito and the numerous personnel (21 people taking care only of his appearance, 16 of his food). After some time she also has to announce herself when wanting to see her beloved. When he wants to make love to her he sends her a message through his personal aide (army officer). Tito once writes: "Tell her, I would like to sleep with her tonight." She replies: " I can't. I have my period." "Ask when she will be able to do it." "When my period is over." She complains about this communication system and he replies she should adapt to this way of life and not criticize it. He points out that Haile Selassie is being served by 5.000 people. She travels a lot and gives concerts (in the Met etc.) and their relationship slowly fades away. He asks her to call him and to meet secretly in a Paris villa he would buy for her, but she refuses. His last words to her are: "No woman is so charming and blessed as you." Then he realizes he doesn't a very smart, authoritative and popular wife but a woman, that would obey and take care of him. Jovanka has been stationed at the White palace since 1945 and is very pretty. She is also very disciplined, full of energy and the youngest female army officer. After his breakup with Zinka he once meets her and takes her riding and later to see a film in his private projection room. After the movie he makes a move but they don't end up in bed. Later they meet several times and have sex. He has a bilious attack and after surgery he decides to marry her. He sends her to learn the basics of diplomatic protocol at the Roman Yugoslav Embassy. They marry in April 1959, best men are Aleksandar Rankovic (Minister of the Interior Affairs) and Ivan Gosnjak. She takes care of the personnel and the house affairs with all of her energy. She knows Tito likes three things above all: 1) luxury 2) authority and 3) continuous upgrading of his ingenious statesmanship He enjoys riding horses, hunting, walking, resting, cooking, growing tangerines... He comes up with the idea of the non-aligned movement. She is the first one to learn about it. She takes care of all 40 Tito's residencies throughout the country. Continuously she is upgrading and refurnishing these palaces. She takes special care of the Blue Train, Tito's private/official train composition, equipped like in the James Bond movies. She takes care of the Galeb ship and he works on his public image and presence in the media. He enjoys spectacular delights such as the hand-over ceremony of the youth relay. Branko Mikulic suggests to elect Tito as president for life in 1971 and such a constitutional amendment is accepted. Cities wear his name, stamps shine with his image as well as golden coins bear his face... He travels a lot to the non-aligned countries and Jovanka is in charge of his "missions of peace". She takes care of their sojourn, food, swimming, security, presents for hosts... They have a special counselor for presents, Sreten Djokic. Slowly the national economy goes down the drain and Tito feels helpless. The power is handed over to his aides and closest friends. They want to isolate Jovanka from Tito because they fear she could make Tito once again take control of the state affairs - so she is dangerous. Stane Dolanc and Branko Mikulic tell Tito that Jovanka and General Djoko Jovanic are preparing a coup d'?tat... She is being locked in a house arrest and the General is forced to retire. Jovanka is in shock and wants to get in contact with him but all the time they take care of making up new and new stories... They arrange for Tito to meet opera singer Gertruda Munitic and they meet many times out of Belgrade. Tito grows very fond of her and tries to keep the relationship very secret but Stane Dolanc tells the story to a western journalist who publishes it and so Jovanka finds about it as well. Tito's health slowly deteriorates - he wants to take care of Jovanka before he dies. He tells Stane Dolanc and Stevan Doronjski that after his death Jovanka is entitled to all the rights and benefits of a president's wife. After he dies the reaction is quick. Jovanka is again put into house arrest and all her rights of a president's wife are revoked, all her valuable belongings including precious presidential gifts taken away from her. She lives in Belgrade.

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pajdo, jel to onaj vic o Muji & Hasi? ...cek, imam ja jedan bolji. o Essekerima i mitteleurop(ej)skom "štihu"28.1.2008OSJEČKI BALKONI PRETVORENI U SUŠIONICE MESA, U NASELJIMA SAGRAĐENE PUŠNICE ČIJI DIM SMETA SUSJEDIMA Na prozorima i balkonima suše kobasice i slaninu! Meso koje se suši na balkonima pa čak i na užetu za vješanje rublja na prozorima stambenih zgrada u posljednje su vrijeme čest razlog za pritužbe Osječana. “Susjed koji živi kat ispod mene, na prozoru umjesto rublja suši kobasice i šunke, dok drugi koji živi u kući pokraj moje zgrade, povrh svega, meso još dimi u pušnici pa ne mogu ni prozore otvoriti”, požalila nam se Osječanka Mirna Horvat. dodavši kako je takve prizore viđala na balkonima zgrada u različitim dijelovima grada što, smatra, nije primjereno gradskoj sredini. Prema riječima Ivice Šiškića, voditelja Odsjeka komunalnog redarstva pri Upravnom odjelu za komunalno-stambeno gospodarstvo i promet, zabrana sušenja mesa na balkonima i prozorima stambenih zgrada, nije predviđena ni jednim propisom. - Nema odluke kojom bi sušenje mesa na balkonima i prozorima zgrada bilo dopušteno ili zabranjeno, odnosno takvo postupanje nije definirano ni jednom odredbom, rekao je Šiškić. U osječkom Udruženju stanara objasnili su kako su, prema Pravilniku o kućnom redu, na zemljištu koje služi za uporabu zgrade zabranjeni bilo kakvi radovi kojima se uništava ili oštećuje zelenilo (stabla ili drugo ukrasno bilje), bez prethodnog odobrenja tijela uprave nadležnog za komunalna pitanja, dok se u kućnim ulazima, prolazima, zajedničkim hodnicima, terasama i na stubištima ne dopušta ostavljati predmete koji mogu ometati prolaz, uzrokovati nezgode, zaraze ili bilo kakve mirise, kao i materijale koji mogu narušavati okolni izgled. Dakle, zabrane za pretvaranje balkona u sušionice mesa nema! Čini se kako će pojedini sugrađani i dalje nesmetano moći uživati u za grad neprimjerenom načinu pripreme i čuvanja suhomesnatih proizvoda.Autor: B.Božić...setac1mp3.jpgSa ovim mojim licem strancaBez gospodara i bez lancaVama sam čudan bio jaSa ovim očima ko moreKoji sanjaju i goreSa ovim očima bez snaNapola pirat i artistaI vagabund i flautistaKoji ukrade kolko daS usnama koje piju sveVina i vode otrovneI nikad neće reći neSa ovim mojim licem strancaPutovao sam pol životaA malo tko te pute znaBilo je lažnih, bilo vjernihHiljadu žena zaljubljenihUz njih sam odrastao jaČinio zlo al čista licaŠto drugo može skitnicaKad javu ne dijeli od snaA duši mojoj zna se krajDa neće ugledati rajVeć ćuti vatre zagrljajSa ovim mojim licem strancaS uklete lađe, s njenog pramcaMašem ti, došao je časRobinja od sad ti ćeš bitiSpletena u te zlatne nitiU ljubav koja traži nasKraljica bit ćeš, imat ćeš vlastDat ću ti novac dati častMorao raditi ili krasti I ljubav ta će biti spasTrajala vječno ili časNi smrt ne može protiv nasI ljubav ta će biti spasTrajala vječno ili časNi smrt ne može protiv nas...(Prepjevao: Arsen Dedić)
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eto ti ga iskocio troll

Intelektualna agresijaPitanje ponovnog uvođenja ćirilice u hrvatske škole je kompleksnog karaktera jer osim konstruktivnog razmišljanja treba uzeti u obzir i važnu emocionalnu dimenziju vezanu uz takav potez. Naime, osobno mogu potvrditi da mi je poznavanje ćirilice samo pomoglo u raznim životnim situacijama i nikada nisam požalila što je za moju generaciju učenje tog pisma bilo sastavni dio programa hrvatskog jezika, mada zapravo ćirilica nije vezana za hrvatski jezik, ali takav je bio naziv školskog predmeta u sklopu kojeg se učila i ćirilica.Dakle, ja sam imala koristi od poznavanja ćirilice već u srednoj školi kod učenja klasičnog grčkog jezika, čije pismo nije sasvim isto, ali ima dovoljno dodirnih točaka. Potom opet prilikom apsolventskog putovanja po Rusiji (tada SSSR-u), gdje mi je mogućnost čitanja ćiriličnih napisa itekako pomogla u snalaženju. Kasnije u mom profesionalnom životu, boraveći u Ateni na međunarodnom nastavničkom kongresu, moji američki kolege nastavnici duboko su bili impresionirani time što sam umjela čitati grčke nazive ulica i napise po gradu!Međutim, doba mog školovanja smješta se u doba Jugoslavije i doba prije Domovinskog rata, a sada je vrijeme nakon Domovinskog rata, i to prekratkoda bi se ova tematika mogla razmatrati jedino s aspekta obrazovanja i intelektualne koristi, a bez negativnih emocija, neminovno vezanih uz sve što priziva povratak starog, ?jugoslavenskog?.Čini mi se da vrijeme ipak nije još zrelo za to da se učenje ćirilice ne povezuje s nedavnim agresorom, a u tom kontekstu i samo pismo može se doživljavati kao svojevrsna ponovna intelektualna agresija.Kao pedagog ipak teško prihvaćam jednostrano odbacivanje mogućnosti učenja bilo čega. Stoga bih sugerirala kompromis ? moj prijedlog bio bi uvođenje fakultativnog učenja ćirilice: putem dopunske nastave ili izvannastavne aktivnosti. Na taj način učenje tog pisma bilo bi dostupno onima koji to žele i vide u tome obrazovnu korist, a ne bi izazivalo negativne reakcije onih za koje vrijeme još nije zrelo i kod kojih je emotivni stav u ovom povijesnom trenutku još uvijek presudan.MR. TANJA KUSANOVIĆBOL NA OTOKU BRAČU

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dok slusam mustakija, autenticnog hipidendija zlatnog pera i vred-note (rec prigrlila na platina deponiji), citam o kobalsa instalacijama ( de si braco dimitrijevicu) sto viore i ostavljam za posle meteka mezetluka i kafe - ovaj dijagonalno pogledan tekst Homera - nemam pojma o coveku... al uvideh i sestre :wub: i spisak i upliv veleposrednicki nekad poznatih dnevnik i zvizzduk u osam imena.. stresoh se maloaj polakohuhmora jos koja kafa, a vesh nek stoji, torba ce se sama spakovat, kosa isfenirat, pegla valjda ume sama, pa nek i veceru zgotovi il bar ispegla koji topli sendvic, telefonati on hold, kofein troll se uzburkao, valja sve iscitati, i sva sreca da nije kiril metodikom ovi Homer ispisan, ljutila bi se bol sa otoka prekoputa hvara a i splita.....

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