Аврам Гојић Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) Imam pitanje za onog ko zna, moze npr. Njegovo predjedosvestenstvo Vasa. Ima ovde kod mene iza coska neka crkva (ovako pise): Coptic Orthodox Patriarchate - jel smo mi™ kompatibilni sa tim Operativnim Sustavom, ili ne? I da li sluze na arapskom ili nekom jeziku koji se ne prica unazad?Nismo bas kompatibilni, taj operativni sistem je nastao pre velike podele na Windows i Apple koja se dogodila 1054. godine. Sta se tu desilo - u petom veku, na halkidonskom vaseljenskom saboru, utvrdjeno je da Hristos ima dve prirode, Bozju i ljudsku. Monofiziti, tj. oni koji su verovali da je priroda Isusa jedinstvena i pojmovno nedeljiva (mono fizis, jedna priroda, jelte), izopsteni su iz zajednice vernika. Jedna od nacionalnih crkava koje su odstranjene iz tela Crkve je i Koptska crkva koja je potom nastavila sa samostalnim razvojem. Ipak, liturgijska priroda Kopta je takva da pravoslavci rado odrzavaju kontakte sa njima. Konkretno, SPC se sa Koptskom crkvom nalazi u odnosu visokog saglasja oko bitnih pitanja liturgijske prirode, i postoje tendencije daljeg zblizavanja, sto je jedna od stvari koje ziloti zameraju SPC, tvrdeci da crkveni poglavari opste sa jereticima.Sto se jezika tice, bogosluzenje kod Kopta je na koptskom jeziku, jedna od stvari koje su Kopte i ostale dohalkidonske crkve odvojile od saborne matice je i insistiranje na upotrebi lokalnih jezika u bogosluzbi. Edited January 20, 2012 by Marko M. Dabovic Quote Link to comment
Прслин Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 1. Eastern Orthodox (100%) 2. Reform Judaism (0%) 3. Unitarian Universalism (0%) 4. Sikhism (0%) 5. Bah�'� Faith (0%) 6. Islam (0%) 7. Orthodox Judaism (0%) 8. Jainism (0%) 9. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (0%) 10. Neo-Pagan (0%) 11. Secular Humanism (0%) 12. Mahayana Buddhism (0%) 13. New Age (0%) 14. Orthodox Quaker (0%) 15. Theravada Buddhism (0%) 16. Hinduism (0%) 17. Nontheist (0%) 18. Taoism (0%) 19. New Thought (0%) 20. Scientology (0%) 21. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (0%) 22. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (0%) 23. Liberal Quakers (0%) 24. Roman Catholic (0%) 25. Seventh Day Adventist (0%) 26. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (0%) 27. Jehovah's Witness (0%) Quote Link to comment
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hazard Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) Nismo bas kompatibilni, taj operativni sistem je nastao pre velike podele na Windows i Apple koja se dogodila 1054. godine. Sta se tu desilo - u petom veku, na halkidonskom vaseljenskom saboru, utvrdjeno je da Hristos ima dve prirode, Bozju i ljudsku. Monofiziti, tj. oni koji su verovali da je priroda Isusa jedinstvena i pojmovno nedeljiva (mono fizis, jedna priroda, jelte), izopsteni su iz zajednice vernika. Jedna od nacionalnih crkava koje su odstranjene iz tela Crkve je i Koptska crkva koja je potom nastavila sa samostalnim razvojem. Ipak, liturgijska priroda Kopta je takva da pravoslavci rado odrzavaju kontakte sa njima. Konkretno, SPC se sa Koptskom crkvom nalazi u odnosu visokog saglasja oko bitnih pitanja liturgijske prirode, i postoje tendencije daljeg zblizavanja, sto je jedna od stvari koje ziloti zameraju SPC, tvrdeci da crkveni poglavari opste sa jereticima.Sto se jezika tice, bogosluzenje kod Kopta je na koptskom jeziku, jedna od stvari koje su Kopte i ostale dohalkidonske crkve odvojile od saborne matice je i insistiranje na upotrebi lokalnih jezika u bogosluzbi.Ja nesto citao davno neke stavove Kopta gde oni tvrde da nisu monofiziti, te da je nazivanje njihove vere monofizitizmom bila jedna velika greska, tj. ne slazu se oni skroz sa Halkedonom, ali nisu bas monofiziti...znas li ista o tome?evo nasao i u wikiju:The Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria regards itself as having been misunderstood at the Council of Chalcedon. There was an opinion in the Church that viewed that perhaps the Council understood the Church of Alexandria correctly, but wanted to curtail the existing power of the Alexandrine Hierarch, especially after the events that happened several years before at Constantinople from Pope Theophilus of Alexandria towards Patriarch John Chrysostom and the unfortunate turnouts of the Second Council of Ephesus in AD 449, where Eutichus misled Pope Dioscorus and the Council in confessing the Orthodox Faith in writing and then renouncing it after the Council, which in turn, had upset Rome, especially that the Tome which was sent was not read during the Council sessions.Before the current positive era of Eastern and Oriental Orthodox dialogues, Chalcedonians sometimes used to call the non-Chalcedonians "monophysites", though the Coptic Orthodox Church in reality regards monophysitism as a heresy. The Chalcedonian doctrine in turn came to be known as "dyophysite".A term that comes closer to Coptic Orthodoxy is miaphysite, which refers to a conjoined nature for Christ, both human and divine, united indivisibly in the Incarnate Logos. The Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria believes that Christ is perfect in His divinity, and He is perfect in His humanity, but His divinity and His humanity were united in one nature called "the nature of the incarnate word", which was reiterated by Saint Cyril of Alexandria.Copts, thus, believe in two natures "human" and "divine" that are united in one hypostasis "without mingling, without confusion, and without alteration". These two natures "did not separate for a moment or the twinkling of an eye" (Coptic Liturgy of Saint Basil of Caesarea).Znas nesto detaljnije mozda? Jel ovo tacno?I kako se ovo odnosi na druge crkve koje su "otpale" nakon Halkedona? Edited January 20, 2012 by hazard Quote Link to comment
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Аврам Гојић Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Znas nesto detaljnije mozda?veruj mi da ne zelis da zalazis tu, to je zivo blato Kopti veruju u jednu bozansku prirodu Isusa, ali to po Koptima nije bas monofizitizam posto to, za njih, nije precizno odredjenje pojma i stavlja ih u isti kos sa hardcore monofizitima. Kopti sebe zovu miafizitima a ne monofizitima, ali za potrebe hristoloskog razmatranja mogu se slobodno nazvati monofizitima. Quote Link to comment
nera Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) Opsti odgovor je da nismo kompatibilni, tj. nasa SPC njih ne priznaje i smatra ih za jeresedit> spora Edited January 20, 2012 by nera Quote Link to comment
Indy Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Opsti odgovor je da nismo kompatibilni, tj. nasa SPC njih ne priznaje i smatra ih za jeresedit> sporaNema veze, hvala. Imamo mi i Grke ovde, njih valjda priznajemo (osim u basketu). Quote Link to comment
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Аврам Гојић Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Opsti odgovor je da nismo kompatibilni, tj. nasa SPC njih ne priznaje i smatra ih za jeresedit> sporaovo nije tacno. i Kopti i SPC su deo Svetskog saveza crkava. SPC ne smatra Kopte jereticima. Quote Link to comment
Quince Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 ja ovo tek sad vidim :)49% sajentoloskinja, hell yeah!daklem: Secular Humanism (100%) Unitarian Universalism (92%) Liberal Quakers (88%) Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (80%) Neo-Pagan (77%) Nontheist (73%) New Age (69%) Taoism (69%) Theravada Buddhism (69%) Reform Judaism (65%) Mahayana Buddhism (64%) Orthodox Quaker (54%) Scientology (49%) Jainism (48%) New Thought (46%) Sikhism (45%) Baha'i Faith (44%) Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (38%) Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (31%) Seventh Day Adventist (28%) Hinduism (27%) Islam (24%) Orthodox Judaism (24%) Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (22%) Eastern Orthodox (12%) Roman Catholic (12%) Jehovah's Witness (7%) Quote Link to comment
hazard Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 veruj mi da ne zelis da zalazis tu, to je zivo blato Kopti veruju u jednu bozansku prirodu Isusa, ali to po Koptima nije bas monofizitizam posto to, za njih, nije precizno odredjenje pojma i stavlja ih u isti kos sa hardcore monofizitima. Kopti sebe zovu miafizitima a ne monofizitima, ali za potrebe hristoloskog razmatranja mogu se slobodno nazvati monofizitima.Ma OK to sam skapirao i ne udubljuje mi se dalje, nego pitam da li ostale orijentalno-pravoslavne crkve (npr. Jermeni) dele koptski stav ili su hardkor monofiziti.Meni se cini da dele, jer su sve u liturgijskom jedinstvu Quote Link to comment
nera Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) ovo nije tacno. i Kopti i SPC su deo Svetskog saveza crkava. SPC ne smatra Kopte jereticima.Nije tacno u smislu u kom si ti gore objasnio i sa cim se apsolutno slazem, ali veruj mi da sam u nekoliko navrata od razlicitih ljudi bliskih crkvi, a koji jesu vrlo ziloti, dobila zestoko natrljavanje nosa za stav da oni nisu jeretici i da ih SPC takvima ne smatra.Your Top 3 Faith Match Profiles Are:1. Mahayana Buddhism (100%) 2. Neo-Pagan (96%) 3. New Age (94%) edit, edit: zaboravna Edited January 20, 2012 by nera Quote Link to comment
Indy Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 ... koji jesu vrlo ziloti ...Heh... Quote Link to comment
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