Seksualno uznemiravanje i zlostavljanje žena - opšta tema

[SNARC]

10 minutes ago, mustang said:

 

Pa kad si normalan. 

 

Kako si sve mogla da mi odgovoris...ovo je idealno.

 

Ofišili te mlogo gotivim 

[francuski sobar]

1 hour ago, mustang said:

Ovaj moj mi salje ... ko da ga ne vidim kod kuce ... salje na vajber...

 

 

Vajber je zlo, jab se zapito kome je i on mislio da je poslo

[Jumanji]

Ode sve u tri lepe materine

[aram]

wtf?

[Indy]

Proverite svoje izvore, nemojte samo lepiti ono sto zvuci zanimljivo. Bazicna digitalna pismenost...

 

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Artist, portrait painter and engaged citizen, resisting gender identity ideology.

 

[vememah]

Izvor je The Times.

 

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Rape suspects are able to self-identify as female, it was revealed after a freedom of information request by a feminist policy think-tank.

Police Scotland said that if a rape or attempted rape was perpetrated by a “male who self-identifies as a woman . . . the male who self-identifies as a woman would be expected to be recorded as a female on relevant police systems.”

Campaigners claim that the position could lead to a “distortion” in society’s understanding of crime and the measures needed to tackle it. They also say the policy is at odds with what Humza Yousaf, the justice secretary, has said should be legal proof that a suspect is female.

The issue is the latest in the controversial debate around sex and gender identity and Scottish government attempts to change the law and follows concern over moves by public bodies to “erase” biological sex data from official records.

Dr Kath Murray, of the Edinburgh-based policy analysts Murray Blackburn Mackenzie, said that a person’s sex at birth was hugely relevant information in the case of rape.

“Recording and presenting violent and sexual offences committed by male as ‘female’ distorts our understanding of the nature of offending by women and men,” she said. “It obscures whether changes shown in statistics are due to real changes or only to changes in recording. In extremis, it may lead to the development of policies and projects based on false information.”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rape-suspects-can-choose-to-self-identify-as-female-vfl678tg6

Edited April 17, 2021 by vememah

[Indy]

Fora sa trampovskom, Q-anon, terf i slicnom propagandom i jeste u tome sto u njoj postoje natruhe istine.

 

Ovo bi bio jedan primer za to.

 

Pomislio bi covek da bi informisaniji deo foruma bio dovoljno switched on da to uhvati, no ko bi to pomislio, zahebo bi se.

[Krošek]

Ova situacija se svodi na to da ako se radi o trans zeni koja je silovala zenu, nece biti ucinjen izuzetak gde ce biti zavedena kao muskarac nego ce jednako biti tretirana kao zena u postupku kao sto je svaka trans zena i inace tretirana kao zena, npr "pol: zenski" u licnoj karti

 

Ono sto ovaj komentator hoce da poentira je: " Aha! Ipak imas penis (znaci muskarac si)", ali svi znamo da mnoge trans zene imaju penis tako da nije time nista rekao

[Krošek]

Ministar pravde je rekao da je u ovakvom slucaju potreban dokaz formalnog priznavanja pola da bi bioloski muskarac bio tretiran kao zena. Znaci polazi se od bioloskog pola, a prihvata se drugacije izjasnjenje ako je formalno priznato

 

Policija sa druge strane je rekla da je dovoljno da se osoba izjasni kao zena, i da ce biti tako zavedena ali da ce, ako je to vazno u konkretnom slucaju, ipak biti pogledano sta ima izmedju nogu. Prema ovome, polazi se od licnog izjasnjenja, priznatog ili ne, a bioloski pol se ukljucuje po proceni

 

I eto to je kao neki discrepancy i kontroverza

[vememah]

Da, to je vrlo logično da se naročito u slučaju silovanja penetracijom penisa silovatelj po iskazanoj sopstvenoj želji vodi kao žena i da nigde u ličnim podacima ne stoji da ima penis, treba to podržati i nikako se ne treba boriti protiv te gluposti. 

[aram]

ma potpuno ludilo, osuđene silovatelje smeštaju u ženske zatvore...

[vememah]

Pa se onda i tamo dešavaju silovanja:

https://news.wttw.com/2020/02/19/lawsuit-female-prisoner-says-she-was-raped-transgender-inmate

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/11/karen-white-how-manipulative-and-controlling-offender-attacked-again-transgender-prison

[radisa]

Ko bi rekao da ce neko da zloupotrebi ludilo?

 

[Krošek]

2 hours ago, vememah said:

Da, to je vrlo logično da se naročito u slučaju silovanja penetracijom penisa silovatelj po iskazanoj sopstvenoj želji vodi kao žena i da nigde u ličnim podacima ne stoji da ima penis, treba to podržati i nikako se ne treba boriti protiv te gluposti. 

 

To nije onako kako pise u clanku, pise da se zavisno od slucaja utvrdjuje i bioloski pol. A to kako se neko vodi ne utice na krivicu i mogucnost da bude osudjen i kaznjen.

Ne vidim protiv cega se ima boriti, jedino logicno je da ako se prihvata nacelo da se rod lica u drzavnom postupku odredjuje prema licnom kazivanju, to cini i u krivicnom postupku i u postupanju policije, cak stavise, jer u tim postupcima dodatno interesi okrivljenog moraju biti zasticeni

Pitanje u koji ce zatvor neko posle biti smesten je sustinski odvojeno.

[Krošek]

Ovo govorim na osnovu celog clanka inace kom vecina nema pristup jer nema pretplatu:

 

“Police Scotland requires no evidence or certification as proof of biological sex or gender identity other than a person’s self-declaration, unless it is pertinent to any investigation with which they are linked as a victim, witness or accused and it is evidentially critical that we legally require this proof, or there is reason for further enquiry based on risk.”