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2 hours ago, pasha said:

Inace treba videti sta se desilo kada je FED u 2018 pokusao da smanji svoj balans

 

Koje su posledice ovako velikog balansa FED-a: slabljenje $, inflacija... ?

 

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IMF: coronavirus pandemic will cause worst economic slump since Great Depression

By Natalie Huet  & Sasha Vakulina with AFP  •  last updated: 09/04/2020 - 17:09

 

The coronavirus pandemic will trigger the worst economic fallout since the Great Depression of the 1930s, the International Monetary Fund has warned.

"The bleak outlook applies to advanced and developing economies alike. This crisis knows no boundaries. Everybody hurts," IMF Managing Director Kristalina Georgieva said on Thursday, warning that 2020 will be "exceptionally difficult".

Georgieva stated that the IMF estimates a partial recovery of the economy in 2021, should the pandemic fade in the latter part of the year allowing for restrictions to gradually lift with a reopening of the economy.

However, she said that there is "tremendous uncertainty around the outlook," adding that it "could get worse depending on many variable factors, including the duration of the pandemic".

With half of humanity under lockdown, factories empty of workers, non-essential stores shut and shoppers confined to their homes, it was obvious that the economic toll of the coronavirus pandemic would be massive.

And already the eurozone's two biggest economies are showing just how ugly things are getting, as they register their steepest declines in decades.

Germany, traditionally Europe's growth engine, faces a severe recession and will see its economy shrink by almost 10 percent in the second quarter, according to the country’s top economic research institutes.

"This is the largest decline in Germany since the start of our quarterly measures in 1970, and twice as large as during the financial crisis in the first quarter of 2009," said Timo Wollmershäuser, senior economist at the IFO Institute in Munich.

In France, the eurozone’s second biggest economy, the central bank said on Wednesday the country had entered recession with an estimated 6 percent drop in GDP in the first quarter of this year – the biggest decline since the Second World War.

Things could get even worse, as every fortnight of lockdown is knocking at least 1.5 percentage points off economic growth, the Banque de France warned.

"I do not think I have ever hidden from the French people that this economic crisis can only be compared to the 1929 crisis in terms of its severity, its global nature and its duration," said France’s economy and finance minister Bruno Le Maire.

 

Economies and families under strain

 

The International Labour Organization said this week that 1.25 billion people were at risk of drastic pay cuts and layoffs due to the pandemic and related lockdowns.

Meanwhile, the United Nations and Oxfam warn that half a billion more people worldwide could be pushed into poverty, and the scale of the crisis in Italy has sparked fears that mafias could take advantage of the situation.

These grim predictions are all putting extra pressure on governments struggling to assess when they should start lifting their confinement measures, and how much money they should throw at their economies to cushion the blow.

The European Commission has encouraged EU countries to do everything they can to protect both their populations and their economies in the face of the pandemic.

But member states have struggled to coordinate their response, and EU finance ministers failed on Wednesday to agree on a 500-billion-euro emergency package to mitigate the economic fallout. They were due to reconvene on Thursday afternoon.

 

Historic drop in trade


The coronavirus pandemic is also causing a massive drop in global trade volumes, expected somewhere between 13 and 32 percent this year, according to the World Trade Organization. That would be a much faster contraction than the 12 percent decline seen in 2009.

However, the WTO’s director-general believes a quick and strong recovery is still possible.

"If the pandemic is brought under control relatively soon and the right policies are in place, trade and the output can rebound nearly to their pre-pandemic trajectory as early as 2021, so next year," said Roberto Azevêdo.

 

https://www.euronews.com/2020/04/09/imf-coronavirus-pandemic-will-cause-worst-economic-slump-since-great-depression

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5 hours ago, brusli said:

 

Koje su posledice ovako velikog balansa FED-a: slabljenje $, inflacija... ?

 

 

FED sam pokusava da oslabi $ svesno ali im bas i ne ide do sada. Nece biti ni inflacija problem jer $ ne slabi. Najveci problem ce biti produktivnost jer trziste nestaje, berza bi trebala da bude cistiliste koje ce da omoguci produktivnim da budu nagradjeni a drugi da propadnu. Berza je kljuc kapitilistickog sistema mada ljudi cesto toga nisu svesni. Slobodnog trzista sve manje ima sa otvorenim intervenecijama na berzi od strane CB. To ce da prouzrukuje dalji rast nejednakosti kao jednom od manifestacija.

Ljudi se pitaju kako to FED toliko stampa a nema inflacije tj. slabljenja $. Razlog je u statusu $ i finansijskom sistemu koji se bazira na multiplikacijama. Ti mozes da se u bankama zaduzis a da one multipliciraju depozit $1 cetiri puta. Kada nastane kriza svi jure $ zbog  dugova i u stvari je velika potraznja za $ jer je manjak $ na trzistu. Cak ni SAD ne zele prejak $, FED je intervenisao, zajedno sa ostalim CB, na slabljenju $ krajem marta. Pa onda imas cuveni Plaza ugovor 1985 koji je koordinisao slabljenje $, zbog cega je Japan kasnije pukao jer je jen suvise ojacao i izazvao velike spekulacije na nekretninama i nikei indeksu a smanjio konkuretnost japanske privrede.

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Serbia’s Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Construction, Transport and Infrastructure, Zorana Mihajlović, has said the country’s national carrier, Air Serbia, has registered over forty million euros in direct losses as a result of the coronavirus Covid-19 outbreak.

 

baš me interesuje da li se covid vodi kao force majuere u ugovorima za rentanje aviona

biće ovo interesantno. gomila njih neće moći da preživi bez vladine pomoći, a oni koji prežive će moči da iskoriste priliku da konsoliduju svoje finansije, jer sada niko neće voditi računa o subvencijama

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Mislim da nece biti tako strasno u ekonomiji kako se prica . Mada zavisi od trajanja ali CB maksimalno intervenisu i za sada su stabilizovale stanje.

Vec kod politike, naprocito kada se sve zavrsi, ce biti zanimljivo. Zapad ce imati preko 100k mrtvih, a Kina dosta manje, cak i da pomnozimo za 10 zvanicne podatke iz Kine sto se tice smrtnosti. To nece tako lako proci, bice ozbiljnih napada na Kinu a i njihovih kontanapada. Ovo je veliki udarac za zapad i ponizenje. Zemlje koje su se dicile svoji socijlanim i zdravstvenim sistemima poput Holandije, Belgije, Svedske, Spanije su katastrofalno prosle.

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4 minutes ago, pasha said:

Mislim da nece biti tako strasno kako se prica u ekonomiji. Mada zavisi do trajanja ali CB maksimalno intervenisu i za sada su stabilizovale stanje.

Vec kod politike, naprocito kada se sve zavrsi, ce biti zanimljivo. Zapad ce imati preko 100k mrtvih, a Kina dosta manje, cak i da pomnozimo za 10 zvanicne podatke iz Kine sto se tice smrtnosti. To nece tako lako proci, bice ozbiljnih napada na Kinu a i njihovih kontanapada. Ovo je veliki udarac za zapad i ponizenje. Zemlje koje su se dicile svoji socijlanim i zdrfavstvenim sistemima poput Holandije, Belgije, Svedske, Spanije su katastrofalno prosle.

Na osnovu cega gajis optimizam?

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Na osnovu novca koji su upumpava u ekonomije. To je nezabelezeno. Cak i najgora preduzeca mogu da prezive sa ovim intervencijama tako da bi trebala brzo da se zaposle ljudi posle nekakve normalizacije. Sprecava se kriza banaka zbog npr. NPL itd.

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Just now, pasha said:

Na osnovu novca koji su upumpava u ekonomije. To je nezabelezeno. Cak i najgora preduzeca mogu da prezive sa ovim intervencijama tako da bi trebala brzo da se zaposle ljudi posle nekakve normalizacije. Sprecava se kriza banaka zbog npr. NPL itd.

Nema od toga nista, pola tog novca nece zavrsiti na pravim adresama.

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To je tacno ali novca ima bus puno tako da ce dosta zavrsiti i na pravim adresama, govorim o hiljadama milijardi. Naravno da ce se povlasceni ugraditi. Pa lepo je rekao Rokefeler, parafraziram iako je sustina ova: najbolje vreme za zaradu je kada tece krv ulicama.

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2 minutes ago, pasha said:

To je tacno ali novca ima bus puno tako da ce dosta zavrsiti i na pravim adresama, govorim o hiljadama milijardi. Naravno da ce se povlasceni ugraditi. Pa lepo je rekao Rokefeler, parafraziram iako je sustina ova: najbolje vreme za zaradu je kada tece krv ulicama.

Ja ne verujem u novac koji volsebno nastaje i protice kroz ruke politicara i banaka. Ovo sad govorim iz spanske perspektive, gde banke jos uvek i nece nikad vratiti beskamatnih 78 milijardi evra a plasiranih uz kamatu stanovnistvu.. U pravu su Holandjani kad traze od nekih zemalja garaancije za plasiranje sredstava i reforme finansijskog i fiskalnog sektora.

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Slazem se ja da to nije nekako logicno da tako nastaje novac ali se desava zbog npr. globalizacije i zato sto Srbin radi za $300 evra. To je jedan od razloga koji se ne vidi na prvi pogled.

 

 

 

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17 hours ago, Ravanelli said:

baš me interesuje da li se covid vodi kao force majuere u ugovorima za rentanje aviona

 

Mislim da hoce, standardna je praksa u UK I US da ugovori imaju Act of God kao standardni dio Force Majeure definicije. A governer drzave IL je proglasio Act of God jos na pocetku krize. Vjerujem da su I ostale drzave. 

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Čak i da nemaju force majeure u ugovoru, primenjivaće se u praksi. Šta će da rade vlasnici tih silnih aviona, da teraju punu naplatu po svaku cenu? Tako će jedino da ostanu sa ogromnim viškom neuposlenih aviona koje treba održavati u letnom stanju. Kada otvaranje privrede i biznisa ponovo krene, u prvim mesecima će biti vaskrsnuto možda pola redovnih linija u avionskom prevozu. Svaki prevoznik koji kraj ove godine dočeka sa više od pola flote u vazduhu moći će da se šuta u dupe od sreće. Za potpun povratak na stanje od januara trebaće jedno tri godine. Prevoznici su toga apsolutno svesni i već kalkulišu sa tom perspektivom. Na primer, oni koji imaju u vlasništvu matore avione koji su bili predviđeni za polagano penzionisanje u narednim godinama, sada ubrzavaju proces i sve ih đuture izbacuju jer im je jasno da će im i novog metala biti previše kada budu krenuli u oporavak. Davaoci lizinga će naprosto morati da popiju svoju porciju otrova, nema im druge.

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