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An estimated additional 180 - 195 deaths per day occurring at home in New York City due to COVID-19 are not being counted in the official figures. "Early on in this crisis we were able to swab people who died at home, and thus got a coronavirus reading. But those days are long gone. We simply don't have the testing capacity for the large numbers dying at home. Now only those few who had a test confirmation *before* dying are marked as victims of coronavirus on their death certificate. This almost certainly means we are undercounting the total number of victims of this pandemic," said Mark Levine, Chair of New York City Council health committee [source]

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paculla
24 minutes ago, gone fishing said:

An estimated additional 180 - 195 deaths per day occurring at home in New York City due to COVID-19 are not being counted in the official figures. "Early on in this crisis we were able to swab people who died at home, and thus got a coronavirus reading. But those days are long gone. We simply don't have the testing capacity for the large numbers dying at home. Now only those few who had a test confirmation *before* dying are marked as victims of coronavirus on their death certificate. This almost certainly means we are undercounting the total number of victims of this pandemic," said Mark Levine, Chair of New York City Council health committee [source]

 

to su ti o kojima sam pricala koji nece nikad biti ubrojani. 

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borris_

Da sada se sjećam. U fr malo drugačije broje. Do nedavno nisu ništa brojali van bolnica. Ove cifre iz domova su svi umrli za koje se sumnja da su imali virus. Znači tu ulaze i oni koji nisu testirani (velika vecina nije testirana). Pomislio sam se da oni ovdje i ne dovode pacijente iz stranačkih domova u bolnice ali pročitah da ih dovode.

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1 hour ago, gone fishing said:

An estimated additional 180 - 195 deaths per day occurring at home in New York City due to COVID-19 are not being counted in the official figures. "Early on in this crisis we were able to swab people who died at home, and thus got a coronavirus reading. But those days are long gone. We simply don't have the testing capacity for the large numbers dying at home. Now only those few who had a test confirmation *before* dying are marked as victims of coronavirus on their death certificate. This almost certainly means we are undercounting the total number of victims of this pandemic," said Mark Levine, Chair of New York City Council health committee [source]

Evo celog niza tvitova - nemaju više gde sa mrtvima, sahranjivaće ih privremeno po parkovima.

 

Mark D. Levine @MarkLevineNYC, Chair of New York City Council health committee:

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NYC’s healthcare system is being pushed to the limit.


And sadly, now so is the city’s system for managing our dead. And it, too, needs more resources.

This has big implications for grieving families. And for all of us. 1/ 
NYC’s “city morgue” is the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner (OCME), which luckily is the best in the world.

But they are now dealing w/ the equivalent of an ongoing 9/11. And so are hospital morgues, funeral homes & cemeteries.

Every part of this system is now backed up. 2/ 
A typical hospital morgue might hold 15 bodies. Those are now all full. So OCME has sent out 80 refrigerated trailers to hospitals around the city. Each trailer can hold 100 bodies. These are now mostly full too. Some hospitals have had to add a 2nd or even a 3rd trailer. 3/ 
Grieving families report calling as many as half a dozen funeral homes and finding none that can handle their deceased loved ones.

Cemeteries are not able to handle the number of burial requests and are turning most down. 4/ 
It’s not just deaths in hospitals which are up. On an average day before this crisis there were 20-25 deaths at home in NYC. Now in the midst of this pandemic the number is 200-215. *Every day*. 5/ 
Early on in this crisis we were able to swab people who died at home, and thus got a coronavirus reading. But those days are long gone. We simply don't have the testing capacity for the large numbers dying at home. 6/ 
Now only those few who had a test confirmation *before* dying are marked as victims of coronavirus on their death certificate. This almost certainly means we are undercounting the total number of victims of this pandemic. 7/ 
And still the number of bodies continues to increase. The freezers at OCME facilities in Manhattan and Brooklyn will soon be full. And then what? 8/ 
Soon we'll start “temporary interment”. This likely will be done by using a NYC park for burials (yes you read that right). Trenches will be dug for 10 caskets in a line.

It will be done in a dignified, orderly--and temporary--manner. But it will be tough for NYers to take. 9/ 
The goal is to avoid scenes like those in Italy, where the military was forced to collect bodies from churches and even off the streets.

OCME is going to need much more staff to achieve that goal. 10/ 
Thankfully the Dept. of Defense and the NY National Guard have already sent teams, and volunteer medical examiners have come from around the country. But we are going to need much more help if we're going to avoid disaster. 11/ 
As New York City continues to appeal to the nation for help, we need to ask not just for doctors and nurses and respiratory therapists. We also need mortuary affairs staff. This is tough to talk about and maybe tough to ask for. But we have no choice. The stakes are too high. 12/ 
To recap: Nothing matters more in this crisis than saving the living. But we need to face the gruesome reality that we need more resources to manage our dead as well. Or the pain of this crisis will be compounded almost beyond comprehension. 13/13


https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1247155043171741696.html

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Peter Fan
22 minutes ago, vememah said:

Evo celog niza tvitova - nemaju više gde sa mrtvima, sahranjivaće ih privremeno po parkovima.

 

Mark D. Levine @MarkLevineNYC, Chair of New York City Council health committee:


https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1247155043171741696.html

De Blasio demantovao:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ny-mayor-says-rumors-of-temporary-burials-in-public-parks-are-totally-false/ar-BB12ePdD?ocid=msedgntp

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Boza_zvani_Pub

sto je usa danas tako lose ponovo?  I dalje ny ili nesto novo?

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Jozef K.

Na worldometers 27,000 trenutno. Pre neki dan bilo je 34,000. Inače sutra je pick za Njujork. Za celu SAD tek za sedam dana. Tako da će biti ovih cifara danima 

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Orle Zmajević

Ukoliko su tacne worldometer brojke, USA ide danas na ~2.5k umrlih.Drasticno se uvecava broj umrlih u nekoliko states.

Deluje da ce to ici gore bar jos par nedelja i pretpostavljam da cemo videti kod njih u peaku 10+k preminulih dnevno.

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paculla
1 hour ago, borris_ said:

Da sada se sjećam. U fr malo drugačije broje. Do nedavno nisu ništa brojali van bolnica. Ove cifre iz domova su svi umrli za koje se sumnja da su imali virus. Znači tu ulaze i oni koji nisu testirani (velika vecina nije testirana). Pomislio sam se da oni ovdje i ne dovode pacijente iz stranačkih domova u bolnice ali pročitah da ih dovode.

 

francuska je pocela da broji i te nepotvdjene posto se mrtvi retko testiraju. tu korekciju ce u nekom trenutku morati da naprave u njujorku za umrle kod kuce i ostale koji nisu testirani postmortem. ti se brojevi skupljaju ali jos se nisu konsolidovali. bice korekcija sigurno. sad umiru ljudi vise i od drugih bolesti u tim zaristima jer izbegavaju bolnice. i oni su zrtve...

 

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Gojko & Stojko
5 hours ago, urkozamanje said:

 

Tako i ja procitah. Danasnji porast broja mrtvih je vecinom backlog + staracki domovi, osim ako ne lazu. U poslednjih par dana nije bilo znacajnog rasta. Ne znam da li to da nazovem padom, ali brojke su licile na pad do danas. Videcemo kako ce biti sledecih par dana. Moguce da ce zatezati pristup, koliko sam razumeo predlazu se izmene zakona koje bi eliminisale potrebu da parlament usvaja odredbe ako bude potrebe za hitnim merama (taj zakon bi vazio do 30 Juna). U svakom slucaju, brojke nisu sjajne, ali osim ako se ne desi neki drastican skok u sledecih nedelju ili dve, svedske mere ne izgledaju kao potpuni fail, kao sto bi, cini mi se, neki ovde nestrpljivo da zakljuce. Za sada (zvanicno) kapaciteti nisu prepunjeni i koliko sam razumeo ako ovako ostane moci ce da se "izdrzi" neko vreme. 

 

Za kraj, da parafraziram neke od svedskih kolega: "malo nam je dosadilo da nas nazivaju svedskim eksperimentom. Mi smo misljenja da je to sto druge zemlje rade mnogo vise "eksperiment". Zatvoriti kompletno stanovnistvo na neodredjen period i nadati se najboljem a imati veoma malo razumevanja o mogucim posledicama (na zdravlje/psihu, ekonomiju, sistem, itd.) je mozda najveci eksperiment ikada izveden".

 

Svakako igraju uloge odredjene kulturoloske razlike, disciplina i poverenje u svoje institucije, razne specificnosti itd. Moj utisak je da se ljudi u velikom broju pridrzavaju preporuka, i da mozda nema potrebe za totalnim lockdown-om (necu stavljati disclaimer jer se podrazumeva). U svakom slucaju, sto rece Tolaa, meni se cini da Svedjani mnogo manje pene od onoga kako se to vani predstavlja. Mozda su ovce i mozda se blize provaliji (i ja sa njima), ali so far so good. Not great, not terrible :D

 

 

 

Malo poređenja sa zemljama sa sličnim brojem zaraženih i sličnim stepenom discipline i poverenja u svoje institucije i sličnom stepenu razvoja sa Švedskom (trenutne podatke sam uzeo odavde i odavde):

 

Norveška - 5903 zaraženih, 89 mrtvih (1.5%). Testirano 19000 na milion stanovnika, pozitivnih testova 51 na 1000 obavljenih testova.

Australija - 5919 zaraženih, 48 mrtvih (0.8%). Testirano 12232 na milion stanovnika, pozitivnih testova 19 na 1000 obavljenih testova.

Rusija - 7497 zaraženih, 58 mrtvih (0.77%). Testirano 5418 na milion stanovnika, pozitivnih testova 9.4 na 1000 obavljenih testova.

Izrael - 9006 zaraženih, 60 mrtvih (0.66%). Testirano 12789 na milion stanovnika, pozitivnih testova 75 na 1000 obavljenih testova.

Austrija - 12519 zaraženih, 243 mrtvih (1.9%). Testirano 12944 na milion stanovnika, pozitivnih testova 108 na 1000 obavljenih testova.

 

Švedska - 7857 zaraženih, 611 mrtvih (7.77%). Testirano 6383 na milion stanovnika, pozitivnih testova 132 na 1000 obavljenih testova.

 

Ako se ono "terrible" odnosi na UK, gde je na 55242 zaraženih 6159 mrtvih (11.15%), uz testiranih 3159 na milion stanovnika, i 259 pozitivnih testova na 100 obavljenih testova, onda si možda u pravu.

 

SaE

 

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Gandalf
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(gradonačelnik) de Blasio na MSNBC-u reče da očekuje da će pola Njujorčana pre ili kasnije zakačiti COVID-19.

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NevenMan
8 hours ago, cedo said:

 

sta je sa obamom ?

To je bilo cinicno jer svaki out kad polazem Republikanskim fasistima kako

je narandzasti klovn nesposoban krene whataboutism o Obami

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NevenMan

Ako se racuna West Coast time danas smo kratki nekih 78 ljudi za dve hiljade

 

ne verujem da ce pick ici na 10 K kao sto neko predvidi ali oko 4K da

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Gojko & Stojko

 

Današnji podaci za NSW - dnevni porast na 1.7% (48 novih slučajeva), slično i u Viktoriji a u Kvinslendu su spali na ispod 1% porasta. Što znači da će na saveznom nivou da bude oko 1.7% ili manje kad i ostale manje države prijave podatke. Predsednica vlade NSW je izjavila da će mere ograničavanja kretanja da se razmatraju jednom mesečno, što znači da neće da se menjaju pre 1. maja. Rezultati testova za putnike stigle iz inostranstva smeštene po hotelima u Sidneju pokazuju da je oko trećine njih koji imaju simptome pozitivno, što je daleko više od opšteg proseka za testiranje po istim kriterijumima u NSW (oko 2%). Ja očekujem da se broj zaraženih osetno ppoveća i kad stignu još putnika iz Perua i sa par kruzera kojii su trenutno u Južnoj Americi (samo na jednom koji je bio na Antarktiku a sad je u Montevideu kažu da ima oko 100 zaraženih, nisu rekli koliko ih je odavde, ali nije mali broj).

 

Iz jednog članka iz Heralda od prekjuče (preuzet iz NYT), u kome su opisivali glavne lekare po različitim zemljama (Masima Galija iz Italije, Sotiros Ciodrasa iz Grčke, Kristijana Drostena iz Nemačke, Faućija, Fernanda Simona iz Španije i Nila Fergusona iz UK), komentar gostovanja Grka Ciodrasa na TV:

 

Last month, just as Trump and other leaders openly debated the wisdom of lockdowns because of their devastating economic costs, Tsiodras tackled the question directly.

 

After giving the day's update, he veered off script, looking nervously down at his clasped hands.

 

"An acquaintance wrote to me that we're making too much of a fuss over a bunch of citizens who are elderly and incapacitated by chronic illness," he said. "The miracle of medical science in 2020 is the extension of a high-quality life for these people who are our mothers and our fathers, and grandmothers and grandfathers."

 

His voice then broke as he choked up.

 

"We cannot exist, or have an identity, without them," he said.

 

(link na ceo članak)

Nerds-in-chief: The rising heroes of the coronavirus era

SaE

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Gojko & Stojko
7 minutes ago, NevenMan said:

To je bilo cinicno jer svaki out kad polazem Republikanskim fasistima kako

je narandzasti klovn nesposoban krene whataboutism o Obami

Ovde sam napisao više o tome, ali ovaj deo ponovo:

 

Onome ko ovde tvrdi da su svi isti, tj. Obama i supružnici Klinton, plus Al Gor, upućujem isto pitanje koje je Bil Klinton pitao svakoga ko ga je ispitivao o dopuštanju da balon nekretnina dovede do GFC 2008.:

 

“When anybody asks me that,” he told me, “I ask them, I look at them and ask them: ‘Do you think this would have happened if we had been there? Look me in the face and say yes.’ I haven’t found any takers yet.”

 

SaE

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