mustang Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 sta pricas ti, nista te ne razumem Link to comment
borris_ Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 55 minutes ago, Anduril said: Pa, u tome je poenta - previse neobavestenih i u US a i u Engleskoj. Zato su i birali dileje i zato su i najgori sto se tice ove krize. Ovo ti je glupo. Dragance nije ništa birao, živi tamo o vidi kakav je sistem. Nije idealan naravno, nije ni totalni raspad po njemu. Poznaje i francuski sistem i jos dosta njih (voli da mjenja zemlje) pa moze i da usporedjuje. Link to comment
dragance Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Pa sad, da volim da menjam zemlje Ça se discute što bi rekao Jean-Luc Link to comment
Anduril Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 1 hour ago, borris_ said: Ovo ti je glupo. Dragance nije ništa birao, živi tamo o vidi kakav je sistem. Nije idealan naravno, nije ni totalni raspad po njemu. Poznaje i francuski sistem i jos dosta njih (voli da mjenja zemlje) pa moze i da usporedjuje. Sta je tacno glupo? Ziveo sam 8 godina tamo, naucnik, predavao na najboljem univerzitetu i univerzitetskoj klinici. Znam iz prve ruke o cemu pricam jer poznajem i US, i UK i kontinentalni sistem. Uostalom, gomila studija i podataka potvrdjuje ovo sto pisem. Link to comment
dragance Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Kad si otišao, šta si iskusio? Ja koristim NHS redovno zbog PTSD. Ne lupaj. Nije tajna da su smanjili budžet, što se sad menja, ali i dalje je bolji sistem nego u mnogo zemalja. Ne lupaj. Link to comment
dragance Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Još da kažem, poznajem ljude (uključujući i bivše in laws) koji idu iz NZ da bi išli kod zubara. Link to comment
Peter Fan Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 apropo rasprave o zdravstvu i UK/US, ali i uopste o ulozi drzave: https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v42/n14/pankaj-mishra/flailing-states As a general insurrection erupts against America’s foundational inequities, and a British national identity propped up by fantasies of empire finally splinters, it isn’t enough to lament the ‘authoritarian populism’ of Trump and Johnson, to blame ‘identity politics’ and the ‘intolerant left’, or to claim moral superiority over China, Russia and Iran. The early winners of modern history now seem to be its biggest losers, with their delegitimised political systems, grotesquely distorted economies and shattered social contracts. Narcissistic intellectual habits, which credit moral virtue and political wisdom to countries such as India because they appear to conform to Anglo-American notions of democracy and capitalism, will have to be abandoned. More attention must be paid to the specific historical experiences and political traditions of Germany, Japan and South Korea – countries once described (and dismissed) as authoritarian and protectionist – and the methods they have used to mitigate the suffering caused both by manmade change and sudden calamity. The idea of strategic state-building, historically alien to Britain and the US, will have to be grappled with. Covid-19 has exposed the world’s greatest democracies as victims of prolonged self-harm; it has also demonstrated that countries with strong state capacity have been far more successful at stemming the virus’s spread and look better equipped to cope with the social and economic fallout. Link to comment
Gojko & Stojko Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 12 hours ago, Peter Fan said: apropo rasprave o zdravstvu i UK/US, ali i uopste o ulozi drzave: https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v42/n14/pankaj-mishra/flailing-states As a general insurrection erupts against America’s foundational inequities, and a British national identity propped up by fantasies of empire finally splinters, it isn’t enough to lament the ‘authoritarian populism’ of Trump and Johnson, to blame ‘identity politics’ and the ‘intolerant left’, or to claim moral superiority over China, Russia and Iran. The early winners of modern history now seem to be its biggest losers, with their delegitimised political systems, grotesquely distorted economies and shattered social contracts. Narcissistic intellectual habits, which credit moral virtue and political wisdom to countries such as India because they appear to conform to Anglo-American notions of democracy and capitalism, will have to be abandoned. More attention must be paid to the specific historical experiences and political traditions of Germany, Japan and South Korea – countries once described (and dismissed) as authoritarian and protectionist – and the methods they have used to mitigate the suffering caused both by manmade change and sudden calamity. The idea of strategic state-building, historically alien to Britain and the US, will have to be grappled with. Covid-19 has exposed the world’s greatest democracies as victims of prolonged self-harm; it has also demonstrated that countries with strong state capacity have been far more successful at stemming the virus’s spread and look better equipped to cope with the social and economic fallout. Khm, ništa ne fali anglo demokratiji, naročito ako vuče na levu stranu. Malo više solidarnosti a manje sebičnosti, vrlo jednostavno. Ali dobro, ovo je standardno severnoatlantsko gledanje na stvar. SaE Link to comment
theanswer Posted July 15, 2020 Author Share Posted July 15, 2020 Tubervil isprskao Sešnsa u Alabami. Jedini realni GOP pickup u senatu ovog novembra. Link to comment
mandingo Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 29 minutes ago, theanswer said: Tubervil isprskao Sešnsa u Alabami. Jedini realni GOP pickup u senatu ovog novembra. Ajversone, jel' ovo prvi prajmari koji je dobio kandidat sa tramparinom podrskom? Cuo sam negde da je bio 0-5 do juce. Link to comment
theanswer Posted July 15, 2020 Author Share Posted July 15, 2020 1 minute ago, mandingo said: Ajversone, jel' ovo prvi prajmari koji je dobio kandidat sa tramparinom podrskom? Cuo sam negde da je bio 0-5 do juce. Ma kakvi. Trump se hvalio kako je nepobediv na prajmarijima, da ima nešto tipa 46-0 i onda je u poslednjih mesec dana došlo do poraza nekih kandidata koje je on podržao, u NC, u VA, u CO. Neki su to shvatili kao ne samo da Tramp gubi od Bajdena nego da njegova podrška više ne znači mnogo. U suštini to nije tačno jer obično se dešava da kad Tramp zagrize protiv nekog ili za nekog to obično ode na njegovu stranu. Sešns je bio jako popularan u Alabami pre epizode sa AG. I nijedan od kandidata Sešns included, a i ovi što su pobedili bez Trampove podrške nisu išli kontra Trampa. Šta više, zbog toga što nisu imali njegovu podršku, išli su baš da se umilje tom biračkom telu, hvaleći Trampa šakom i kapom. GOP je Trampova partija. Kontam da Don Jr. ima veće šanse da bude sledeći nominee nego bilo ko. Link to comment
Anduril Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 On 13.7.2020. at 23:02, dragance said: Kad si otišao, šta si iskusio? Ja koristim NHS redovno zbog PTSD. Ne lupaj. Nije tajna da su smanjili budžet, što se sad menja, ali i dalje je bolji sistem nego u mnogo zemalja. Ne lupaj. Cekaj, ti tu ozbiljno unosis neke anegdote kao argumente? Ako te zanima kako se porede zdravstveni sistemi, ovo ti je jedan od najrelevantnijih izvora:https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(18)30994-2/fulltext Uk ti je negde iza Slovenije kao i US. To je za 2016. a sada je jos gore posle svih smanjenja budzeta. Negde 2010 je UK sistem bio jos OK i imao nekih prednosti (money for value npr.), ali sada je sve gore i jos ce se katastrofalno pogorsati usled Brexita. Link to comment
dragance Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Anduril said: Cekaj, ti tu ozbiljno unosis neke anegdote kao argumente? Ako te zanima kako se porede zdravstveni sistemi, ovo ti je jedan od najrelevantnijih izvora:https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(18)30994-2/fulltext Uk ti je negde iza Slovenije kao i US. To je za 2016. a sada je jos gore posle svih smanjenja budzeta. Negde 2010 je UK sistem bio jos OK i imao nekih prednosti (money for value npr.), ali sada je sve gore i jos ce se katastrofalno pogorsati usled Brexita. Čoveče, nije sporno da se priliv i budžeta smanjio, ali i takav je bolji od US gde ako memaš privatno osiguranje možeš da se jebeš. Nije anegdota, dosta ljudi se žali na NHS - nije sporno, ali ja ti govorim kako jeste. Gde živiš? Nije sve u gledanju statistika. Link to comment
Anduril Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 1 hour ago, dragance said: Čoveče, nije sporno da se priliv i budžeta smanjio, ali i takav je bolji od US gde ako memaš privatno osiguranje možeš da se jebeš. Nije anegdota, dosta ljudi se žali na NHS - nije sporno, ali ja ti govorim kako jeste. Gde živiš? Nije sve u gledanju statistika. Procitaj sta sam ranije napisao - NHS je i dalje bolji od US systema, to nije sporno. Ja sam poredio te sisteme sa ostatkom severne i zapadne Evrope. Link to comment
dragance Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Pa pročitaj i ti šta sam ja tebi prvi put napisao. Link to comment
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