Parkiranje po trotoarima, nezaustavljanje na pesackim prelazima i sl.

[I*m with the pilots]

Mene je jednom zagradio neki lik na ulici na parkingu u Prizrenskoj; obišla sam prvo sve kafiće, pitala taksiste preko puta da li su videli koga, probao jedan da vidi da li mogu da se izvučem i nije mogao ni on, i na kraju sam zvala pauka; došli su tek za skoro sat vremena i još me iznapusavali kako sam glupa žena koja nije pitala okolo...da nije bio taj taksista sa mnom, mislim da bih i batine dobila. Toliko su bili ljuti što su...morali da urade svoj posao?

 

 

[Venom]

Proslost Amsterdama, a.k.a nema mesta za ovoliko automobila i nesto mora (i moze) da se promeni

 

 

 

Edited May 6, 2019 by Venom

[hazard]

Evo šta se promenilo u međuvremenu:

 

 

Prve linije amsterdamskog metroa otvorene su 1977.

Edited May 6, 2019 by hazard

[Venom]

Metro je sigurno bitan, ali se promenilo mnogo vise od te jedne stvari. Ako pogledas video (samo 10 minuta), videces pretrpan grad, podredjivanje svega automobilu i parking mestima (podseca dosta na Beograd danas), veliki broj zrtava (ukljucujuci i decu) i ljude koji su odlucili nesto da urade povodom svega toga -- prave se planovi za izmestanje saobracaja u nekoliko vecih ulica, pravljenje vise jednosmernih ulica itd. itsl. Broj zrtava u saobracaju u Holandiji je poceo da pada mnogo pre 1977

 

 

[eumeswil]

Idealna tema za ove tekstove.

 

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The Social Ideology of the Motorcar

Now, why is it that what is perfectly obvious in the case of the beaches is not generally acknowledged to be the case for transportation? Like the beach house, doesn't a car occupy scarce space? Doesn't it deprive the others who use the roads (pedestrians, cyclists, streetcar and bus drivers)? Doesn't it lose its use value when everyone uses his or her own? And yet there are plenty of politicians who insist that every family has the right to at least one car and that it's up to the "government" to make it possible for everyone to park conveniently, drive easily in the city, and go on holiday at the same time as everyone else, going 70 mph on the roads to vacation spots.

The monstrousness of this demagogic nonsense is immediately apparent, and yet even the left doesn't disdain resorting to it. Why is the car treated like a sacred cow? Why, unlike other "privative" goods, isn't it recognised as an antisocial luxury? The answer should be sought in the following two aspects of driving:

1.Mass motoring effects an absolute triumph of bourgeois ideology on the level of daily life. It gives and supports in everyone the illusion that each individual can seek his or her own benefit at the expense of everyone else. Take the cruel and aggressive selfishness of the driver who at any moment is figuratively killing the "others," who appear merely as physical obstacles to his or her own speed. This aggressive and competitive selfishness marks the arrival of universally bourgeois behaviour, and has come into being since driving has become commonplace. ("You'll never have socialism with that kind of people," an East German friend told me, upset by the spectacle of Paris traffic).

2.The automobile is the paradoxical example of a luxury object that has been devalued by its own spread. But this practical devaluation has not yet been followed by an ideological devaluation. The myth of the pleasure and benefit of the car persists, though if mass transportation were widespread its superiority would be striking. The persistence of this myth is easily explained. The spread of the private car has displaced mass transportation and altered city planning and housing in such a way that it transfers to the car functions which its own spread has made necessary. An ideological ("cultural") revolution would be needed to break this circle. Obviously this is not to be expected from the ruling class (either right or left). 

 

Let us look more closely now at these two points.

 

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The product of the transportation industry is the habitual passenger. He has been boosted out of the world in which people still move on their own, and he has lost the sense that he stands at the center of his world. The habitual passenger is conscious of the exasperating time scarcity that results from daily recourse to the cars, trains, buses, subways, and elevators that force him to cover an average of twenty miles each day, frequently criss-crossing his path within a radius of less than five miles. He has been lifted off his feet. No matter if he goes by subway or jet plane, he feels slower and poorer than someone else and resents the shortcuts taken by the privileged few who can escape the frustrations of traffic. If he is cramped by the timetable of his commuter train, he dreams of a car. If he drives, exhausted by the rush hour, he envies the speed capitalist who drives against the traffic. The habitual passenger is caught at the wrong end of growing inequality, time scarcity, and personal impotence, but he can see no way out of this bind except to demand more of the same: more traffic by transport. He stands in wait for technical changes in the design of vehicles, roads, and schedules; or else he expects a revolution to produce mass rapid transport under public control. In neither case does he calculate the price of being hauled into a better future. He forgets that he is the one who will pay the bill, either in fares or in taxes. He overlooks the hidden costs of replacing private cars with equally rapid public transport.

The habitual passenger cannot grasp the folly of traffic based overwhelmingly on transport. His inherited perceptions of space and time and of personal pace have been industrially deformed. He has lost the power to conceive of himself outside the passenger role. To "gather" for him means to be brought together by vehicles. He takes freedom of movement to be the same as one's claim on propulsion. He has lost faith in the political power of the feet and of the tongue. As a result, what he wants is not more liberty as a citizen but better service as a client. He does not insist on his freedom to move and to speak to people but on his claim to be shipped and to be informed by media. He wants a better product rather than freedom from servitude to it. It is vital that he come to see that the acceleration he demands is self-defeating, and that it must result in a further decline of equity, leisure, and autonomy.

http://ranprieur.com/readings/illichcars.html

 

Edited June 20, 2019 by miki.bg

[Reaktor]

Da li plaćate kazne od parking servisa zadenute za brisač, ili čekate da zastare?

Vredi li se da njima preganjati ili je bolje platiti polovinu iznosa u roku od pet dana?

Da li parking servis može da nam pravi probleme prilikom registrovanja vozila ako imamo neplaćenu kaznu za parkiranje (koja nije zastarela)?

 

edit: možda baš i nisam potrefio topić, ali ko je bezgrešan nek se baci kamenom...

Edited July 7, 2019 by Reaktor

[kud u maglu Simoviću]

ja sam imao dva slučaja. oba puta sam iskulirao. i opomenu parking servisa, i opomenu njihovog opunomoćenog advokata

 

u međuvremenu, sam registrovao, menjao vozilo i imao posla sa administracijom mupa x puta, i nikada mi nisu pravili problem

[Filozof manijak]

Dočim sam ja prisustvovao sceni u SUP-u N. Sad (kada sam registrovao auto), da Slobodan Trkulja (mamumujbmtrećesrbijansku) nije mogao registrovati auto zato što nije plaćao kazne za parkiranje, i izvšritelj mu je stavio zabranu na auto. 

Zanimljiva je scena bila, moram priznati da sam zlurado uživao dok se svađao i raspravljao sa neumoljivom šalterušom   

[kud u maglu Simoviću]

za to mora da nasolidžaš par desetina hiljada kazne

 

znam za sličan slučaj da su pretili izvršiteljima, al se posle pogodiš sa paukom i sve bude ok

[radisa]

Kad stigne do izvršitelja više nema nagodbe sa parking servisom, osim ako neće da bace pare koje su dali izvršitelju...

 

Moguće da u BG rade drugačije, u NS cepaju baš dobro sa izvršiteljima...

[kud u maglu Simoviću]

prete izvršiteljima, onda se ti pogodiš sa paukom. oni oproste deo, a deo daju na rate

 

bar je takav slučaj bio mog kolege koji sedam dana nije produžio mesečnu kartu(živi u zoniranoj ulici)

[radisa]

2 minutes ago, kud u maglu Simoviću said:

prete izvršiteljima, onda se ti pogodiš sa paukom. oni oproste deo, a deo daju na rate

 

bar je takav slučaj bio mog kolege koji sedam dana nije produžio mesečnu kartu(živi u zoniranoj ulici)

Razumeo sam te, samo sam se nadovezao...

 

U NS, koliko znam, ne prete, odmah šalju na izvršenje... Mislim, da čak ne mora ni da se nakupi...

[hazard]

A mogli bi ste, i ono, da plaćate parking

[kud u maglu Simoviću]

pa plaćamo, samo nekad zaboravimo

 

meni je napisao kaznu u 20:40 npr

 

 

generalno sam revnostan po tom pitanju, al svakom se desi. pogreši čo’ek

[I*m with the pilots]

pa plaćamo, samo nekad zaboravimo
 
meni je napisao kaznu u 20:40 npr

 
 
generalno sam revnostan po tom pitanju, al svakom se desi. pogreši čo’ek

Zašto ti ne bi pisao kaznu u 20:40? Hajde koji minut pre ali ovo je već dosta.