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Yeltsin in Paris to sign NATO agreement
nato.russia.jpgMay 26, 1997
Web posted at: 11:47 a.m. EDT (1547 GMT)

From Moscow Bureau Chief Jill Dougherty
PARIS (CNN) -- Russian President Boris Yeltsin arrived in Paris Monday to sign a pact between his country and NATO intended to pave the way for the alliance to expand into former Soviet bloc nations.

With his signature, Yeltsin will turn NATO's former enemy into an ally. Yeltsin will sign the security agreement, although he strongly opposes NATO's eastward expansion.

Some observers say the deal is the best Russia could get under the circumstances.

"Russia lost the Cold War and in my opinion this document is just fixing the victory of the West over Russia or over the Soviet Union," said presidential council member Andranik Migranyan.

The agreement, called the "founding act," gives Russia a seat on a NATO joint council in Brussels, Belgium. The alliance says Russia will have a "voice, but not a veto".
NATO also pledges that it has no intention to build up its forces or station nuclear weapons in central Europe.

Yeltsin insists it's a legally binding agreement, something NATO denies. Yeltsin's press secretary, Sergei Yastrzhembsky, seems willing to fudge the issue.

"The key word is responsibilities," he said. "Whether they have a political or legal character doesn't have any deciding strategic meaning."
But a leading reformer says the apparent contradiction is dangerous.

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"I have a very serious concerns," said parliament member Grigory Yavlinsky. "(Yeltsin's) vision of this agreement it seems to me (is) very different from that what the people in Washington are saying."

Russia is threatening to pull out of the agreement if former republics of the Soviet Union are invited to join in the future. Russia is especially concerned about the status of Baltic states Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia.

"Russia won't repeat the 1968 invasion of Czechoslovakia," said Foreign Minister Yevgeny Primakov. "However, Russia has the right to defend its own interests."

Legally, Yeltsin doesn't need parliamentary approval to sign the agreement, but he'll let the Duma vote on it anyway -- saying he'll give that vote "serious consideration."

Some Russian observers candidly admit the new security deal with NATO is a face-saving agreement for Russia. But how it will work out in practice is far from clear.

NATO, in the meantime, is expected to issue invitations to prospective members -- most likely Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic -- at a summit in Madrid, Spain, in July.

 

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NATO member states should respond to Russian offers for constructive engagement. Since Russia is disappointed that the Founding Act is not a legally-binding treaty, it will have to be convinced that the Act has substantial benefit and was not simply the most expedient means of ensuring Russian acceptance of NATO expansion. To get the PJC off to a good start, NATO should take the lead and develop an agenda for the PJC through its High Level Working Groups.

NATO has to be ready to address substantial unresolved Russian security concerns. Otherwise domestic opposition might force Russia to withdraw from the process. The history of NATO-Russia relations since the end of the Cold War does not set a good precedent, because NATO did not give in on any Russian demands of substance. This left the most contested questions, such as future European conventional force ratios, unresolved. Russia crossed several of its "red lines" drawn during the talks. NATO crossed none. Specifically, the Founding Act is not legally binding and NATO did not make a binding commitment not to move its military forces (conventional or nuclear) closer to the Russian border.
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I da su kandicke nacin i metod da se to ostvari?

Mislim, ono, suocimo se, nabiju nam nos u suocavanje, k'o macicima u tanjir s mlekom i kazu pij' sada, korisno je, proci ce?

Tvoje pravo - nisam zlonameran, naprotiv - samo, bojim se da to ne ide tako, uostalom rezultate vidimo i vidjacemo jos dugo.

Izmedju ostalog, previse je komforan taj ogledalce, ogledalce nacin...

mislim da je post ispod i onaj ispod njega dovoljni za ovaj razgovor. vući ćemo se još decenijam razglabajući ko je koga kada zajebao ili ubio. hvala obojici

 

Pa problem je vise bio sto su razne Kandicke bile isuvise nezne da bi ostvarile neki rezultat.

Nije u Srbiji trebalo pricati nego hapsiti, lustrirati i preobrazovati stanovnistvo kao i svugde drugde gde se vrsila neka ozbiljnija defasizacija ili reforma drustva.

Ovako, drustvo ide nizbrdo vec 30 godina a za sunovrat se i dalje krive oni sto pricaju umesto oni sto su krali, pucali, klali pa opet krali i to uvek uz cvrstu vecinsku podrsku.

 

 

Apsolutno.

Samo sto je onima koji su mogli da hapse i lustriraju bilo kudikamo povoljnije da umesto toga imaju trpe razne kandicke.

Em su imali pametnija posla, bili zauzeti, em su imali u tih par pojava sasvim dobre artikle za u izlog.

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‏je li avrame gojiću jel ti ova bila simpatična pre par strana a :fantom:

 

@jelenamilicceas
Nedelja iza nas, oslicna poseta USA senatora, skupstina ratifikovala vrlo vrlo vazan sporazum sa #NATO. I sta sad reci nego bravo @avucic
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Pa problem je vise bio sto su razne Kandicke bile isuvise nezne da bi ostvarile neki rezultat.

Nije u Srbiji trebalo pricati nego hapsiti, lustrirati i preobrazovati stanovnistvo kao i svugde drugde gde se vrsila neka ozbiljnija defasizacija ili reforma drustva.

Ovako, drustvo ide nizbrdo vec 30 godina a za sunovrat se i dalje krive oni sto pricaju umesto oni sto su krali, pucali, klali pa opet krali i to uvek uz cvrstu vecinsku podrsku.

 

Gde, na primer?

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‏je li avrame gojiću jel ti ova bila simpatična pre par strana a :fantom:

 

i ti si mi simpatican a podrzavas Borisa Broza. to ipak ne znaci da bih glasao ni za tebe ni za nju, vec da bih vas pomerio na kraj reda za egzekuciju  :fantom:

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Blic je svakako mogao da proba da se malo informise i skapira da su u sastavu NSPA 99.99% civili pozadinci koji rade logistiku i nabavke. Dakle, nece sad mrski okupator jezditi tenkovima preko svetosavske nejaci, no ce tu i tamo koji kombi ili kamionet precerat kakvu robu preko svete srpske zemlje.

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i ti si mi simpatican a podrzavas Borisa Broza. to ipak ne znaci da bih glasao ni za tebe ni za nju, vec da bih vas pomerio na kraj reda za egzekuciju  :fantom:

Simpaticne na pocetak reda, biti na kraju reda za egzekuciju je bre kazna  :fantom:

I da li da mu se da ili ne ona poslednja cigareta?

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Simpaticne na pocetak reda, biti na kraju reda za egzekuciju je bre kazna :fantom:

I da li da mu se da ili ne ona poslednja cigareta?

O cemu vi diskutujute? Hella ce preci na islam i boriti se pod imenom Lateef za dolazak halifata. :fantom:

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I kao seik ce da dolazi u Kulovgrad da investira!

Nema šanse, i tad će da sedi u svojoj mahali, puši hašiš, i prdi na internetu jer harač iz Bačka-Sandžaka ide u Beograd.

 

Edit - koliko je rusima stalo do niša? Jel ovo podsećanje na neutralnost po novinama ima ozbiljniju težinu?

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Nema šanse, i tad će da sedi u svojoj mahali, puši hašiš, i prdi na internetu jer harač iz Bačka-Sandžaka ide u Beograd.

 

Edit - koliko je rusima stalo do niša? Jel ovo podsećanje na neutralnost po novinama ima ozbiljniju težinu?

Ima sanse, ima: tako ce jedino moci da dodje u Kulovgrad bez GPS-a, vodace ga Vucic okolo :fantom:

 

A Rusima je stalo do Nisa taman toliko da Srbiji pokvare NATO i obrnuto.

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"Sporazum Srbije i NATO o saradnji u oblasti logističke podrške predviđa slobodu kretanja i diplomatski imunitet svim pripadnicima NATO u našoj zemlji, kao i privilegije koje sleduju diplomatama po Bečkoj konvenciji.

 

Pripadnici ovih tela NATO i njihova vozila imaće, kako se navodi, “pravo neophodnog slobodnog prolaza i pristupa kroz čitavu Srbiju” dok će se ulazak u zabranjene bezbednosne zone usaglašavati sa našim nadležnim organima. Naglašeno je i da se osoblju NATO na njihov zahtev mora odobriti pristup svim državnim i privatnim objektima u kojima se radi, uključujući i one u kojima se obavljaju ispitivanja i probe.

 

Celokupno osoblje uživaće diplomatski imunitet i biće oslobođeno plaćanja poreza, carina, PDV, moći će da uvozi opremu i ugovara nabavku robe, usluga i građevinske radove - bez ikakvih opterećenja. Tačnije, neće imati nikakve namete, osim za komunalne usluge."

 

Након што је Скупштина испуњена напредњачким креатурама ово ратификовала, данас је ово потписао и онај необразовани кловн са лажном дипломом што је изабран за председника Србије, чиме је окончана предизборна кампања и проглашена је победа на изборима који ће се одржати када им дуне.

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