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zadnja vremena dosla kada poljak drzi bukvicu nemcima :D

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Prospero

Pa ovo sa Ukrajinom, u stvari ceo Eastern Partnership, je projekat rađen u partnerstvu Varšava-Stokholm (više Varšava, svakako), tako da Nemci samo puštaju svoje istočne komšije da prigrle svoje projekte i plivaju/potonu s njima, dok sami iskusno odrađuju svoje bilateralne interese mimo EU.

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mlatko

šta treba da urade, nudili su skoro milijardu evra pomoći Ukrajini. Malo je, ne treba. Tačno je, za takvog monstruma od države nema pomoći bolje od puštanja niz vodu i evolucijski lanac preživljavanja ide dalje. kina bi jedino mogla pomoći, šta je bilo sa onim projektom (ako se sećam dobro) da kinezi daju milijarde dolara za ukrajinske rodne poljane? ili su to bili arapi :unsure:

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Pontijak
Pa ovo sa Ukrajinom, u stvari ceo Eastern Partnership, je projekat rađen u partnerstvu Varšava-Stokholm (više Varšava, svakako), tako da Nemci samo puštaju svoje istočne komšije da prigrle svoje projekte i plivaju/potonu s njima, dok sami iskusno odrađuju svoje bilateralne interese mimo EU.
ma mene samo nasmejao taj ton kvasnjevskog, kako on to lepo objasnjava, kao da nije uopste svestan stvarnosti koju si ti dao u jednoj slozenoj recenici :)

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Zaz_pi
Far-right group at heart of Ukraine protests meet US senatorProtests continue in the Ukrainian capital after an endorsement from US Senator John McCain but at the heart of the movement in Kiev lies an extreme right wing party with links to the BNP.cain-replace_LRG.jpgUkraine's pro-EU protests show no sign of stopping – US Senator John McCain dined with opposition leaders this weekend, including the extreme far-right Svoboda party.During his trip the former US presidential candidate met with government and opposition figures, but gave his endorsement to the pro-Europe protesters.Senator McCain later waved to protesters from the stage in Independence Square during a mass rally in Kiev, standing with Oleh Tyahnybok, leader of the anti-Semitic Svoboda party. Growing far-rightSvoboda, meaning freedom, has been enjoying a boom in success in recent years winning their first parliamentary seats in 2010, taking just over 10 per cent of the vote to become Ukraine’s fourth biggest party with 36 seats out of 450.The ultra-nationalist group is aligned with other European far-right parties including the BNP, but their radical stance has made them a central force in the ongoing street protests.The party was registered in 1995, initially called the Social National Party of Ukraine and using a swastika style logo.A 1999 report from Tel-Aviv University called the party: "an extremist, right-wing, nationalist organization which emphasizes its identification with the ideology of German National Socialism"....In another outburst from the party their deputy chief, Ihor Miroshnychenko, wrote an anti-Semitic attack on Mila Kunis on Facebook: "Kunis is not Ukrainian, she is a Yid. She is proud of it, so Star of David be with her."...

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Anduril

;) Bilo je samo pitanje vremena kada ce krenuti forumsko-putinovska propaganda po pitanju Ukrajine.

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Zaz_pi

Ostaja samo stalkovanje sa glupostima i jurenje po forumu sto se zavrsi lose po tebe. Odmah kada je otvorena tema sam se pobunio zbog rusenja spomenika Lenjinu-http://www.parapsihopatologija.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=18787&&do=findComment&comment=2379024. Dakako pre nego sto je britanski Kanal 4, koliko znam finansiran od strane britanske vlade, izasao sa ovom pricom. Koja je onda tvoja propaganda kada relativizujes ovakve price: neonacista, rusofob? Ili samo ogromno neobrazovanje? Sve po malo ili po mnogo?

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Budja
;) Bilo je samo pitanje vremena kada ce krenuti forumsko-putinovska propaganda po pitanju Ukrajine.
Naravno, s obzirom da se napajamo propagandaom sa drugog izvora.Podeljeno drustvo, ekonomske koriste maglovite. Sta ostaje? Sloboda, pravna drzava, yes how no. Ostaje samo antiruski sentiment na zapadu Ukrajine.U ovom sukobu nema apsolutno nista principijelno za sta moze da se uhvati, pa da se podrzava jedna ili druga strana.

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Zaz_pi

Rusija odobrila Ukrajini pomoc od preko $20 milijardi, na razlicite nacine:

  • GAZPROM TO SELL GAS TO UKRAINE AT $268.50
  • UKRAINE BENEFITING FROM DISCOUNT ON RUSSIAN GAS
  • RUSSIA TO USE SOVEREIGN WEALTH FUND TO INVEST IN UKRAINE
  • RUSSIA TO INVEST $15B IN UKRAINIAN SECURITIES

Do sada su placali gas preko $400 za 1000m3. To mu je usteda od oko $6 milijardi godisnje. Zvanicno nije bilo potpisivanja ulaska u Carinsku uniju ali postignut dogovor o ukidanju raznih restikicija pri trgovini. Izuzetno velika pomoc Rusije.Komentar iz Brisela:
  • GERMANY’S STEINMEIER: EU’S OVERTURE TO UKRAINE FELL SHORT
  • STEINMEIER: EU MAY HAVE UNDERESTIMATED RUSSIA DETERMINATION

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dillinger
SPIEGEL: Did Yanukovych use the EU to boost his profile with Putin, who had humiliated him so often? And to demand more money?Kwasniewski: Of course he tried to exploit our talks to get more out of Russia, to tell the Russians: Look, Europe wants us, so you'll have to up the ante. That's how Ukrainian politicians have thought for the last 22 years. The balancing act between the West and the East has created a vacuum. That's why the economy is in such poor shape today, it's why no one trusts the state and it's why millions of people are emigrating. The Ukrainians don't like to hear it, but we Poles are a good example of how the path to the West can be worth it. We had about the same per capita income as Ukraine 20 years ago. Today it's three times as high.
Aha, glupi Janukovič, ko da je Srbin
Ukraine scores $15 bln from Russia, 33% gas discountAfter stringing along Russia, the EU and the Ukrainian people, President Viktor Yanukovich has inked an agreement worth $15 billion in securities and from January 1, can start buying Russian gas for $268 instead of $400 per 100 cubic meters.The Russian government will essentially buy $15 billion in Ukrainian debt by buying Ukrainian securities using money from Russia's Welfare Fund, President Vladimir Putin announced Tuesday at a meeting with Yanukovich in Moscow.
http://rt.com/busine...illion-gas-381/ :Hail:edit: brži Zaz :D Edited by dillinger

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Roger Sanchez
The cost of Russian gas supplied to Ukraine has been slashed from more than $400 (£245; 291 euros) per 1,000 cubic metres to $268.5.
Mogli bi Juliji obračunati štetu™ i u odnosu na ovu cijenu i komotno ju osudit na smrt i riješit dio problema.

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