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3 hours ago, Anduril said:

podseca na Vajmarku Republiku - dakle, nista sto vodi necem dobrom. 

Tako je majstore, Vajmarska republika je kriva za nastanak nacizma, nicemu dobrom ona nije vodila... :isuse: 

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7 hours ago, Anduril said:

 

 

Ne slazem se. 

Prvi argument je zato sto i danas najbolje funkcionisuci mediji jesu oni sa prilicno striktnim statutima/standardima i sa nekom tradicijom tako da im profit nije glavni faktor.

Drugo, propagandno suceljavanje imas vec danas na YT, FB i TW a podseca na Vajmarku Republiku - dakle, nista sto vodi necem dobrom. 

Ljudi se zatvaraju u propagandne torove i ne slusaju vise nista drugo osim onog sto hoce da cuju.

Situacija je slicna kao i gun control u nekim delovima SAD - totalna deregulacija kosta.

 

 

Pa jeste, to su problemi a BBC samo ide u pravcu u kojem su ostali privatni mediji u UK odavno otisli. O propagandnim medijima da ne govorimo.

Ovako bi imali statut koji ih obavezuje da informisu podjednako i srazmerno, da se ne bave razonodom a drugo zaborave, da ne informisu ideoloski tako sto ce neke stvari izostaviti a ideoloske politicke komentare razlicitih strana ce jasno naznaciti a ne ubacivati u vesti kako im odgovara.

 

Nije li sve sto govoris malo anahrono?

 

Vec danas je pola vesti BBCija, narocito sa USA tema, prenosenje tviter reakcija.

 

Pola glavne strane je lifestle: muzika, gradovi, klopa... sa naslovima koji teze tabloidskim.Najbolje  ovo, najbolje ono, da li ste znali...

 

 

Duh je iz boc izasao  i stoga je izazov videti kako uskladiti informisanje sa tehnologijom a ne vratiti se u vreme srednjeg veka i zatovrenih sindikata sa striktnim pravilima.

 

Sve sto pises se moze procitati i od zabrnituih intelektualaca u mainstream medijima, a to vise lici na odbranu sopstvenih pozicija nego na brigu za informisanje.

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Ne vidim sta je anahrono u vracanju novinarskog kodeksa, daljoj institucionalizaciji istog i uopste profesionalizaciji jednog tako vaznog posla koji je totalno degradiran i amaterizovan poslednjih decenija. 

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7 hours ago, Anduril said:

Ne vidim sta je anahrono u vracanju novinarskog kodeksa, daljoj institucionalizaciji istog i uopste profesionalizaciji jednog tako vaznog posla koji je totalno degradiran i amaterizovan poslednjih decenija. 

 

Anahrono je jer kodeksi, institucionalizacija u ovom slucaju direktno znace restrikcije ponude informacija i vesti i ogormnu mogucnost zloupotrebe onoga ko kontrolise ulazak u proferisu i primenu kodeksa.

 

A pri tome je u danasnjem  svetu to potpuno neprimenljivo.

 

Da li je post na facebook-u random korisnika koji postavi fotku sa naslovom "Ovo je danas ulica Kneza Milosa paralisana zbog radova u Nemanjinoj." vest ili ne? Da li random korisnik podleze novinarskom kodeksu?

 

 

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21 hours ago, Budja said:

Anahrono je jer kodeksi, institucionalizacija u ovom slucaju direktno znace restrikcije ponude informacija i vesti i ogormnu mogucnost zloupotrebe onoga ko kontrolise ulazak u proferisu i primenu kodeksa.

A pri tome je u danasnjem  svetu to potpuno neprimenljivo.

Da li je post na facebook-u random korisnika koji postavi fotku sa naslovom "Ovo je danas ulica Kneza Milosa paralisana zbog radova u Nemanjinoj." vest ili ne? Da li random korisnik podleze novinarskom kodeksu?

 

A danas nemamo zloupotrebu? Kako sudije ili lekari kontrolisu ulazak u profesiju? Kako lazni lekari ili koruptne sudije unistavaju profesiju? Naravno da je primenjlivo.

Mozes ti i preko interneta danas da se informises o medicini, pa ne moze svako da radi kao lekar i to sa dobrim razlogom.  

 

FB, YT illi TW korisnici mogu da postave fotku za njihov krug pznanika i kao izvor, kao nesto sto recimo onda razni FB, TW ili YT influenceri (sa hiljadama i milionima pratilaca) i svi drugi novinari/mediji zatim to koriste kad provere shodno novinarskom kodeksu.

 

Za masovno sirenje vesti mora vec da postoji nekakva odgovornost - imas koliko hoces primera u Indiji gde lazne vesti imaju cesto grozne posledice. 

FB, TW i kompanija samo privatizuju profit kroz sirenje vesti a stedeci na bilo kakvoj proveri, a socijaliziraju troskove koji mogu biti i katastrofalni.

 

Kao sto vec rekoh - regulacija ne znaci i oduzimanje slobode (omiljena mantra NRA) nego povezivanje slobode sa odgovornoscu. Ne bi to trebalo biti nista specijalno za polje informisanja kao i za sva druga polja. Prica o slobodi bez odgovornosti je obicno mantra korporacija koje profitiraju na takvom stanju dok socijaliziju troskove. 

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7 minutes ago, Anduril said:

 

A danas nemamo zloupotrebu? Kako sudije ili lekari kontrolisu ulazak u profesiju? Kako lazni lekari ili koruptne sudije unistavaju profesiju? Naravno da je primenjlivo.

Mozes ti i preko interneta danas da se informises o medicini, pa ne moze svako da radi kao lekar i to sa dobrim razlogom.  

 

FB, YT illi TW korisnici mogu da postave fotku za njihov krug pznanika i kao izvor, kao nesto sto recimo onda razni FB, TW ili YT influenceri (sa hiljadama i milionima pratilaca) i svi drugi novinari/mediji zatim to koriste kad provere shodno novinarskom kodeksu.

 

Za masovno sirenje vesti mora vec da postoji nekakva odgovornost - imas koliko hoces primera u Indiji gde lazne vesti imaju cesto grozne posledice. 

FB, TW i kompanija samo privatizuju profit kroz sirenje vesti a stedeci na bilo kakvoj proveri, a socijaliziraju troskove koji mogu biti i katastrofalni.

 

Kao sto vec rekoh - regulacija ne znaci i oduzimanje slobode (omiljena mantra NRA) nego povezivanje slobode sa odgovornoscu. Ne bi to trebalo biti nista specijalno za polje informisanja kao i za sva druga polja. Prica o slobodi bez odgovornosti je obicno mantra korporacija koje profitiraju na takvom stanju dok socijaliziju troskove. 

 

 

Procitaj boldovano, i samo ce ti se kasti kakva je razlika izmedju lekarske prakse i novinarske prakse.

 

Sirenje laznih vesti se moze sankcionisati kroz sudstvo, kao i svaki drugi prekrsaj, i to je radjeno - onaj radio iz Ruande, ali to nema veze sa novinarstvom, kodeksom i profesijom kao takvom jer za sirenje laznih vesti moze biti gonjen bilo ko.

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Budja said:

Procitaj boldovano, i samo ce ti se kasti kakva je razlika izmedju lekarske prakse i novinarske prakse.

Sirenje laznih vesti se moze sankcionisati kroz sudstvo, kao i svaki drugi prekrsaj, i to je radjeno - onaj radio iz Ruande, ali to nema veze sa novinarstvom, kodeksom i profesijom kao takvom jer za sirenje laznih vesti moze biti gonjen bilo ko.

 

Sudstvo moze da sanksionise i lazne lekare, ali, zasto mislis da ipak postoji lekarski kodeks, komora i jos svasta da mozes i da prakticiras?

Posao lekara je da leci ljude a posao novinara da ih informise o drustvenim dogadjajima.

To nije isto kao informisanje u okviru neke struke ali je zato takodje izuzetno vazno - posebno u doba kad je svet prepravljen informacijama.

 

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Kraj užasnog rata je blizu... ovo je dogovor četvorke Rusija -Turska - Sirija - Kurdi. Još da se pacifikuje Idlib uz pomoć Turaka Asad može da proglasi pobedu. I da se krene u obnovu zemlje.

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BEIRUT (AP) — The Latest on developments related to Syria (all times local):

7:05 p.m.

Turkey-backed Syrian fighters say their forces are on alert and ready for an offensive in a flashpoint Kurdish-held town after Syrian troops announced that they have entered it and raised the government's flag there.

Spokesman Youssef Hammoud says Turkey-backed fighters have reinforced their positions on the front lines with Manbij, including in areas where Syrian troops have taken up positions alongside the Kurdish-led forces. Turkey and its Syrian allied fighters have threatened an offensive against Manbij, to dislodge the U.S.-backed Kurdish militia. Turkey considers the U.S.-backed militia a terrorist organization.

 

The escalation in Manbij reached new heights in the wake of the U.S.'s Dec. 14 decision to withdraw its troops from Syria. Although a timetable has not yet been made public, rival forces in the area are readying to grab territory vacated by U.S. troops.

Hammoud said Syrian government troops have reinforced their existing positions south and west of Manbij, but have not entered the town.

"We are in forward positions all along the front line with Manbij and rural areas. We have reinforced our positions and are on alert, awaiting the signal for the start of the battle," he said.

 

načekali se dabogda smradovi

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Top Turkish officials in Moscow for talks on Syria

Russian, Turkish foreign, defense ministers, intelligence chiefs, and presidential aides discuss Syria in Russian capital

 

Russia and Turkey have reached an understanding on taking further steps over Syria, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said on Saturday. 

 

Three major topics were discussed at today's meeting in Moscow between high-powered Turkish and Russian officials -- including the foreign and defense ministers, and presidential aides -- on the Syrian peace process, he said.

Headlining the meeting were the search for solutions to humanitarian issues, including the repatriation of refugees, the situation on the ground after the U.S. withdrawal. and the launch of the political process, he said.

“First, we discussed solutions to humanitarian issues, the creation of conditions for the return of refugees,” Lavrov said, adding: “Special attention was paid to the new situation developing in connection with the U.S. military withdrawal from Syria."

And an understanding was reached on how the military representatives of Russia and Turkey will continue to coordinate their steps on the ground amid the new conditions, with a view to the final eradication of the terrorist threat on Syrian soil,” he added.

Both Turkey and Russia once again stressed unconditional respect for Syria’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, Lavrov added.

“Secondly, concrete measures were outlined to intensify our joint work aimed at creating conditions that will allow more refugees to return to their homes,” he said.

“The third theme was the political process,” he said.

“It was launched by the guarantor countries of the Astana platform and received additional impetus thanks to the Congress of the National Dialogue in Sochi,” he added, stressing that Russia. Turkey and Iran “have done everything they promised to do to form a constitutional committee” expected to start its work early next year in Geneva.

In addition to Lavrov, attending the meeting in Moscow were Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu, National Defense Minister Hulusi Akar, intelligence chief Hakan Fidan, and presidential aide Ibrahim Kalin along with Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoygu, chief of General Staff Valery Gerasimov, Presidential Envoy for Syria Alexander Lavrentiev, and presidential aide Yuri Ushakov. 

Before the meeting, Cavusoglu said that they came to Russia to discuss the latest developments in Syria, and that Turkey, Russia, and Iran have close cooperation over Syria in the format of talks that began in Astana, Kazakhstan. 

"Thus we’ve made important progress in many fields on the political process," Cavusoglu said.

"With our Russian partners, we will discuss what we can do in Syria. Especially our President Recep Tayyip Erdogan sent us as he puts great emphasis on our relations with Russia on regional topics," he added.

"We will have the opportunity to discuss once again the situation in the Idlib de-escalation zone and in the demilitarization zone,” said Shoygu, for his part.

In addition, we will talk about implementation of the agreements that we reached in Istanbul, the work done after that, as well as everything related to the Eastern Euphrates," he added, referring to an expected Turkish counter-terrorism in Syria targeting the YPG/PKK.

In its more than 30-year terror campaign against Turkey, the PKK -- listed as a terrorist organization by Turkey, the U.S. and the EU -- has been responsible for the death of some 40,000 people, including women and children. The YPG is its Syrian branch.

 

 

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