Iran: novi front

[Idioteque]

Ma to je puklo samo od sebe.

[hazard]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2_Yc_uYsgo

[dig_chohano]

Mhm, đeneral zapalio čibuk duvana i ode sve u kurac. Pogreši čoek...

[Marvin (Paranoid Android)]

...

Nije CIA Hazarde, vidiš da nema poginulih civila, a i misija je uspela.

[hazard]

:lol:Znaci ipak Mosad.

[dig_chohano]

:lol:Znaci ipak Mosad.

Israeli secret service the Mossad linked to Iran military blast Israeli media report claims the Mossad was behind 'huge blast' at Bid Ganeh base that killed leading Iranian missile researcher Edited December 1, 2011 by dig_chohano

[kim_philby]

:lol:Znaci ipak Mosad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmMXk0bA8gk

[Marvin (Paranoid Android)]

:lol:Znaci ipak Mosad.

Evo da imamo i članak iz Tajma:Was Israel Behind a Deadly Explosion at an Iranian Missile Base?

Israeli newspapers on Sunday were thick with innuendo, the front pages of the three largest dailies dominated by variations on the headline "Mysterious Explosion in Iranian Missile Base." Turn the page, and the mystery is answered with a wink. "Who Is Responsible for Attacks on the Iranian Army?" asks Maariv, and the paper lists without further comment a half-dozen other violent setbacks to Iran's nuclear and military nexus. For Israeli readers, the coy implication is that their own government was behind Saturday's massive blast just outside Tehran. It is an assumption a Western intelligence source insists is correct: the Mossad — the Israeli agency charged with covert operations — did it. "Don't believe the Iranians that it was an accident," the official tells TIME, adding that other sabotage is being planned to impede the Iranian ability to develop and deliver a nuclear weapon. "There are more bullets in the magazine," the official says.The powerful blast or series of blasts — reports described an initial explosion followed by a much larger one — devastated a missile base in the gritty urban sprawl to the west of the Iranian capital. The base housed Shahab missiles, which, at their longest range, can reach Israel. Last week's report from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said Iran had experimented with removing the conventional warhead on the Shahab-3 and replacing it with one that would hold a nuclear device. Iran says the explosion was an accident that came while troops were transferring ammunition out of the depot "toward the appropriate site." The explosion killed at least 17 people, including Major General Hassan Moqqadam, described by Iranian state media as a pioneer in Iranian missile development and the Revolutionary Guard commander in charge of "ensuring self-sufficiency" in armaments, a challenging task in light of international sanctions.Coming the weekend after the release of the unusually critical IAEA report, which laid out page upon page of evidence that Iran is moving toward a nuclear weapon, the blast naturally sharpened concern over Israel's threat to launch airstrikes on Iran's nuclear facilities. Half the stories on the Tehran Times website on Sunday referenced the possibility of a military strike, most warning of dire repercussions.But the incident also argued, maybe even augured, against an outright strike. If Israel — perhaps in concert with Washington and other allies — can continue to inflict damage to the Iranian nuclear effort through covert actions, the need diminishes for overt, incendiary moves like air strikes. The Stuxnet computer worm bollixed Iran's centrifuges for months, wreaking havoc on the crucial process of uranium enrichment.And in Sunday's editions, the Hebrew press coyly listed what Yedioth Ahronoth called "Iran's Mysterious Mishaps." The tallies ran from the November 2007 explosion at a missile base south of Tehran to the October 2010 blast at a Shahab facility in southwestern Iran, to the assassinations of three Iranian scientists working in the nuclear program — two last year and one in July. At the very least, the list burnishes the mystique of the Mossad, Israel's overseas spy agency. Whatever the case-by-case reality, the popular notion that, through the Mossad, Israel knows everything and can reach anywhere is one of the most valuable assets available to a state whose entire doctrine of defense can be summed up in the word deterrence. But it doesn't mean Israel is the only country with a foreign intelligence operation inside Iran. The most recent IAEA report included intelligence from 10 governments on details of the Iranian nuclear effort. And in previous interviews, Western security sources have indicated that U.S. and other Western intelligence agencies have partnered with Israel on covert operations inside Iran. Sometimes the partner brings specific expertise or access. In other cases, Iranian agents on the ground who might harbor misgivings about Israel are allowed to believe they are working only with another government altogether.Saturday's blast was so powerful it was felt 25 miles away in Tehran, and so loud that one nearby resident with combat experience thought he had just heard the detonation of an aerial bomb. "Frankly it did not sound like an arms depot from where I was because when one of those goes off, it is multiple explosions over minutes, even hours depending on the size of the facility," the resident says. "All I heard was one big boom. I was sure from the quality of the noise that anyone in its immediate vicinity was dead. Something definitely happened, but I would not trust the [Revolutionary] Guards to be absolutely forthcoming as to what it was."

[hattori]

ode vinca u vazduh! e, tako se to radi!carevi.

[yolo]

scary shit, mosad in da house:)inace, imam dosta razloga da verujem da su/ce glavni saveznici izraela u ovoj prici sa iranom (USA excluded) biti egipat i turska. to deluje toliko neverovatno da je ocigledno da je u pitanju borba za kontrolu uticaja u islamskom svetu kao i stavljanje najvece zemlje šiita na svetu u podređen položaj koji su ovima jednako, ako ne i više bitni, nego sklanjanje mula i ahmedinedžada sa vlasti i prelazak u nekakav nestabilni sekularni režim poput ovih u iraku i avganistanu. zato mislim da je erdoganova retorika i razni površinski izlivi hejta na izrael u egiptu u poslednje vreme samo skretanje pažnje sa ozbiljne priče koja treba da se završi. a napaljena militaristička vrhuška izraela će odraditi posao za sve zainteresovane strane i na svačije zadovoljstvo, trenirajući pritom krajnje granice svoje nove tehnologije koju će potom rado prodavati zainteresovanima. nešto kao top level army showcase.zanima me šta će biti sa palestinom sledeće godine u ovo vreme, posebno sa gaz(z)om.potpuno je fantastično kako je doktrina za koju mislim da je inaugurisana intervencijom u srbiji i dalje najmoćnije oružje vašingtona u državama sa unfriendly režimima. očigledno da su poverovali srđi popovićuda milošević nikada ne bi pao bez 78 dana marta, aprila i maja.

Edited December 1, 2011 by gazza1

[Gandalf]

uzeti sa zrncem soli. Izraelci nezvanicno preuzimaju odgovornost za akcije drugih, kako bi se predstavili sposobnijim nego sto jesu. dobar PR.pre ce biti MEK.

inace, imam dosta razloga da verujem da su/ce glavni saveznici izraela u ovoj prici sa iranom (USA excluded) biti egipat i turska.

:rolf:Saudi kao izraelski saveznik protiv Irana, 100%. Turska sa AKP-om i Egipat bez Mubaraka, ni pod razno. Edited December 1, 2011 by Gandalf

[Yoda]

uzeti sa zrncem soli. Izraelci nezvanicno preuzimaju odgovornost za akcije drugih, kako bi se predstavili sposobnijim nego sto jesu. dobar PR.pre ce biti MEK. :rolf:Saudi kao izraelski saveznik protiv Irana, 100%. Turska sa AKP-om i Egipat bez Mubaraka, ni pod razno.

Slazem se za Saudijce (siitski pokusaj sirenja na Poluostrvu, SAD)Joska Fiser smatra da ce zbog teznje ka regionalnim dominacijama Turska morati da udje u koflikt sa Iranom. Nisam siguran, jer Erdogan poslednjih godina unapredjuje odnose sa Teheranom (pre svega energetika, zblizavanje oko kurdskog pitanja). Na strani za sukob su istorijske razmirice, sunitsko-siitske trzavice u komsiluku (Sirija, Irak). Turci barem u poslednje tri godine imaju vrlo ambivalentan odnos prema nuklearnom programu Irana. Edited December 1, 2011 by Yoda

[Gandalf]

Joska Fiser smatra da ce zbog teznje ka regionalnim dominacijama Turska morati da udje u koflikt sa Iranom. Nisam siguran, jer Erdogan poslednjih godina unapredjuje odnose sa Teheranom (pre svega energetika, zblizavanje oko kurdskog pitanja. Na strani za sukob su istorijske razmirice, sunitsko-siitske trazavice u komsiluku (Sirija, Irak). Turci barem u poslednje tri godine imaju vrlo ambivalentan odnos prema nuklearnom programu Irana.

igra za regionalnu dominaciju se odvija u odnosima SAD-Iran-Saudi-Turska, dok je Egipat van igre bar jos neko vreme.tursku spoljnu politiku proteklih par godina je oblikovao Davutoglu, kroz doktrinu "nula problema" i razvijanje trgovackih odnosa sa svima. Davutoglu zna da Turska, kao ne-arapska zemlja, ipak predstavlja autsajdera - pa su trgovina i prijateljski odnosi kljucni za sirenje turskog uticaja. recimo, veliki broj turskih firmi je uleteo u Kurdistan nakon 2003-e, a trgovina sa Iranom i Sirijom je znatno skocila. za razliku od Saudijaca, Turska do januara 2011 nije imala nekih problema ili otvorenih pitanja sa Iranom. sto se tice nuklearnog programa, Turci su protiv bombe, ali im iransko obogacivanje uranijuma za komercijalne i medicinske svrhe nije problematicno. takodje, postoji bliska saradnja u borbi protiv kurdskih gerila.problem je nastao u Siriji, obzirom da Turci podrzavaju opoziciju, i tu se interesi sukobljavaju.Turska kao saveznik protiv Irana? zaboravi, nemaju od toga nikakve koristi. samo ce si stetu napraviti. to moze samo u snovima onih koji jos uvek tripuju kako su Ameri gazde u regionu i diriguju svima.da bi Turci podrzali bilo kakvu intervenciju protiv Irana? glupost. takav pokusaj ne bi imao nikakve sanse da uspe i samo bi stvorio probleme, i Turci to znaju. nekakav nasilan "regime change" je poslednje sto bi podrzali.edit: a otvoreno stati na stranu Amera i Izraela u sukobu sa Iranom, bi imalo izvanredan efekat u arapskom javnom mnjenju.mozda Saudi o svom javnom mnjenju ne moraju da brinu, ostali moraju. Buazizi se pobrinuo za to. ;) Edited December 1, 2011 by Gandalf

[Yoda]

igra za regionalnu dominaciju se odvija u odnosima SAD-Iran-Saudi-Turska, dok je Egipat van igre bar jos neko vreme.

Da, s tim sto su tamo jos uvek prisutni dugi prsti Moskve, posebno u Siriji i Iranu.

tursku spoljnu politiku proteklih par godina je oblikovao Davutoglu, kroz doktrinu "nula problema" i razvijanje trgovackih odnosa sa svima. recimo, veliki broj turskih firmi je uleteo u Kurdistan nakon 2003-e, a trgovina sa Iranom i Sirijom je znatno skocila.

Davutoglu se igra jos ozbiljnije i rizicnije igre koju je nazvao Stratejik derinlik (Strategijska dubina). Davutoglu zloupotrebljava istoriju i geografiju, oznacavajuci prostor nekadasnjeg Osmanskog carstva kao legitiman za svakakve sadasnje uticaje Ankare. Covek je umislio da bio Turska trebalo da bude centralna evroazijska zona. Valjda ga zanelo rukovanje Bzezinskog i Medvedeva u sred Anadolije.

problem je nastao u Siriji, obzirom da Turci podrzavaju opoziciju, i tu se interesi sukobljavaju. kako bilo, njima je Iran i dalje bitan trgovinski partner, na uzajamno zadovoljstvo.

Zanimljivi su ti odnosi sa Sirijom. Do Arapskog proleca izgledalo je da ce Turci, Iran i Sirija da se zblize oko Laridzanijevog predloga da se napravi trilaterala spram kurdskog pitanja i tu Ankari nije smetao alevitski siizam Asada, naprotiv, ali je Prolece donelo nove momente u kojem Turci zaista navijaju za sunitsku opoziciju u Siriji. Damask je vec optuzio Ankaru za verolomnost.

da bi Turci podrzali bilo kakvu intervenciju protiv Irana? glupost. a nekakav nasilan "regime change" je poslednje sto bi podrzali.

Rasirili su manevarski prostor i munjevito reaguju na svaku promenu u regionu, a sve u skladu sa Strategijskom dubinom. Dubina je vec ukalkulisala MB u Egiptu kao saveznika, pustila pipke do Libije. Videcemo. Za sada, drzace se po strani. Edited December 1, 2011 by Yoda

[Gandalf]

setih se pricice koja nije bila udarna vest...http://www.moonofalabama.org/2011/09/the-aselsan-suicides.html

Turkey's Military Electronics Industry (ASELSAN) has produced a new identification friend or foe (IFF) system for Turkish jet fighters, warships and submarines and the new software, contrary to the older, US-made version, does not automatically identify Israeli planes and ships as friends, a news report said on Tuesday....The F-16 jet fighters, purchased from the US, came with pre-installed IFF software that automatically identifies Israeli fighters and warships as friends, disabling Turkish F-16s from targeting Israeli planes or ships. ASELSAN-made IFF will allow Turkish military commanders to identify friends and foes on the basis of national considerations.Turkey was unable to make modifications to the friend or foe identification codes in US-made F-16s, while Israel was given a different version of the software allowing Israeli authorities to make modifications. Israel was also authorized to view the version given to Turkey, according to Star.