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Just now, black mirror said:

 

ne govorim o tome kako ce biti zapamcen u srbiji, moze on ubiti bambija i dalje ce biti heroj u srbiji

 

Ne govorim ni ja o Srbiji. Covek je napravio revoluciju u tenisu, ako ce ga se neko i pored toga secati samo zato sto nije hteo da se vakcinise taj neko je debil. Dugacak je spisak genijalnih naucnika i umetnika kao i vrhunskih sportista koji su radili nenormalne stvari, po tome su ostali upamceni mozda samo oni koji su te nenormalne stvari radili na ekstremne nacine. Pa cak ih ni tada po tome ne pamte svi vec samo neki ili ih pamte i po jednom i po drugom. Ko pamti Borga po tome sto je za ciglo 7-8 godina karijere pojebao pola evropskih lepotica u svoje vreme? Kladim se da vecina ljudi koja ovde pise uopste i ne zna za taj deo Borgove "karijere". Ko danas pamti Lendla po tome sto je sa svojih 29 godina jebavao svoju petnaestogodisnju rodjaku pa cekao da postane punoletna da bi je ozenio. I to mogu da se kladim da za to vecina ljudi ovde nije ni cula a u to vreme je cela zapadna stampa vristala o tome mesecima.

 

Ovo su sve nebitne stvari. Kad korona prodje ili postane endemska bolest pa umine ova "Dragana Mirkovic" histerija oko pandemije cak i termini vakser i antivakser ce izbledeti u roku od mesec dana. Pisace o tim bizarnostima teniski istoricari u kontekstu "sta je sve mogao da nije ovo ili ono" ali to ionako niko ne cita pa i nema neke prevelike veze. Zao mi je svakog naduvanog balkanskog ega koji je iskoristio priliku da se malo proseta po ovom topiku ali Novak ce biti pamcen generacijama nakon sto mi svi bacimo kasiku, postanemo zaboravljeni i odemo da se druzimo s andjelima. To je prosto tako. Po zasluzi.

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1 minute ago, black mirror said:

 

nisam rekao da je lazov i prevarant nego budala kao i svaki drugi antivakser. covek njegovog kalibra najmanje sto je mogao da uradi je da se javno vakcinise, ironicno je sto bi tako najvise pomagao srbiji i srbima koji ga smatraju svecem

 

Nisam tebi ni odgovarao, sto si i sam mogao da vidis da si obratio paznju koji post sam citirao.

 

Sto se njegovog odnosa prema vakcini tice imam svoje misljenje zasto ne zeli da bude vakcinisan ali mi ne pada na pamet da trosim vreme da bih se bavio ozbiljnije stvarima koju vecina otpisuje sa "antivakserska budaletina" jer ih mrzi da idu dalje od toga.

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ne znam jel ovo bilo

 

We need them: Tennis Australia pleaded for vaccine exemption for players


 

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Tennis Australia boss Craig Tiley told Australia’s advisory body on immunisation that the viability of the Australian Open depended on whether players who had not been double-vaccinated would be allowed into the country to compete in the tournament.

Without naming Novak Djokovic, Mr Tiley’s letter to the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI), sent on November 10 and seen by The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald, pressed the expert group on whether players with a recent COVID-19 infection or a single dose of vaccine would be exempt from immigration rules requiring people coming to Australia to be fully vaccinated.

 

“The treatment of players who fall within one of these categories goes to the heart of the viability of the Australian Open,” Mr Tiley wrote to ATAGI.

The letter was written as Djokovic, the tournament’s defending champion, was seeking a visa and an exemption on medical grounds to compete in the tournament. Djokovic has never revealed his vaccination history, but has been publicly sceptical about receiving a coronavirus jab.

 

Health Minister Greg Hunt and a Health Department official wrote back to Tennis Australia on behalf of ATAGI. They rejected any suggestion that a single-vaxxed or recently infected player would be exempt.

The revelation comes as pressure mounts on Tennis Australia and Mr Tiley over the debacle that has so far seen the World No.1 player as well as Czech women’s player Renata Voracova locked in an immigration hotel in Melbourne, and an official voluntarily leaving the country because they did not meet Australian government visa requirements.

In a letter sent to Mr Tiley on November 18, Department of Health First Assistant Secretary Lisa Schofield said that “people who have previously had COVID-19 and not received a vaccine dose are not considered fully vaccinated”. Such people would “not be approved for quarantine-free entry, regardless of whether they have received foreign vaccination exemptions”.

For the first time on Friday night, Tennis Australia responded to criticism about its handling of exemptions attributing responsibility partly to Health Minister Greg Hunt.

The late night statement addressed reports that it had sent an information sheet to all players informing them one of the grounds to qualify for a medical exemption was if they had been infected with COVID-19 in the past six months.

 

The advice to players, dated December 7 and first reported in the Herald Sun, included a clause saying a recent infection “has now been clarified as a category for which you may be eligible for a temporary medical exemption”.

 

Tennis Australia’s response to those reports, sent at 10.14pm on Friday, said: “We reject completely that the playing group was knowingly misled. Informing players they could get into the country on a medical exemption was taken from the Smart Traveller website that Greg Hunt directly referred us to.”

However, the website does not now appear to include information about prior COVID infection being a valid vaccination exemption.

 

Complicating matters further, Tennis Australia also referred to a publicly available ATAGI guidance from November 26 which states that a prior infection may be grounds for a vaccine exemption. However, this guidance relates to people in Australia being exempt from local vaccine mandates, not people travelling to Australia from overseas.

 

Djokovic is awaiting a hearing in the Federal Circuit Court on Monday where his lawyers will argue that he should be allowed into the country despite failing to meet the requirement for arrivals to be fully vaccinated.

 

The tennis great was seeking an exemption to Australia’s vaccination requirements on the grounds that he had recently been infected with COVID-19. Three sources familiar with Djokovic’s paperwork, speaking anonymously to detail confidential documentation, said evidence to support the player’s exemption was “minimal” and was only supported by one doctor.

A legal source with knowledge of the Djokovic case, speaking anonymously to detail confidential legal proceedings, said the player’s case to overturn his deportation was strong and would contain a mix of arguments based on administrative and migration law. “He was shafted,” the source said.

 

Djokovic’s two-year reign as world No.1 would be put at risk if he was unable to defend his Australian Open title. If either of Daniil Medvedev or Alexander Zverev won the tournament, he could slip down the rankings.

 

Djokovic broke his silence late on Friday night, posting a note to Instagram Stories to thank fans for their support.

“Thank you to people around the world for your continuous support. I can feel it and it is greatly appreciated,” he wrote in both Serbian and English.

The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald revealed on Thursday that federal health authorities told Mr Tiley on two occasions in writing that people who were not vaccinated and had contracted COVID-19 in the past six months would not be granted quarantine-free travel to Australia.

The Age and The Herald confirmed on Friday that the Victorian government had sought a clarification from Mr Tiley after the letters were revealed on Thursday, with Acting Victorian Premier Jacinta Allan confirming that Mr Tiley and Tennis Australia did not pass this advice onto the Victorian government.

A bid by Djokovic to be moved to a private residence he had rented in Melbourne was rejected by federal authorities. A request for his personal chef to cook him meals at the Park Hotel was also rejected, but he has been allowed to have meals cooked with his specific dietary requirements by the regular chef at the Park Hotel.

 

Police were posted outside the hotel where the world No.1 was spending Orthodox Christmas on Friday as the combined number of anti-vaccine mandate protesters, refugee advocates and members of the Serbian community swelled to about 200 at midday.

Heavy rain in the afternoon helped slim the numbers to about two dozen Djokovic supporters and a handful of asylum seeker advocates.

 

Some protesters were dressed in tennis gear to show their support, while others donned Guy Fawkes masks popularised by hacking activist group Anonymous.

Two expert panels – set up by the Victorian Health Department and Tennis Australia – deemed Djokovic eligible for an exemption to play at the Open. However, this exemption applied only to his participation in the Open and held no legal status at the federal border where Commonwealth officials applied their own test to his exemption claims for a visa.

 

Tennis officials say privately that they are frustrated with the federal government.

 

They believe selective information is being provided to the media from reams of correspondence to create a misleading perception that the eligibility of players like Djokovic was clear-cut. The officials argue that there were sets of guidelines and government websites with contradictory information and that communication with federal authorities did not end after the letter exchanges reported by The Age and The Herald.

Victorian government officials and Mr Tiley repeatedly referenced ATAGI guidelines when they detailed processes of the two Victoria-based panels that gave Djokovic an exemption to play in the tournament.

Mr Tiley’s letter says five per cent of players in the Open would be affected if exemptions were not granted for players who had been recently infected or had only had one dose of vaccine.

 

The letter also references a NSW guideline that indicates a recent infection is a legitimate reason to enter the country without being fully vaccinated.

The rejection of Djokovic’s visa prompted condemnation from the Serbian’s home country. The Serbian foreign secretary hauled in Australia’s ambassador to the Balkan country to demand Djokovic be moved to a nicer hotel while he is in immigration detention.

Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic said a series of calls between government officials, including Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews and Serbian Premier Ana Brnabic, had taken place.

The star’s father Srdjan Djokovic, who in an earlier interview called his son “a leader of the free world”, told journalists his son was being “held captive”.

Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews on Friday rejected allegations from Djokovic that he was being held in “captivity” in Australia.

 

“Well, can I say firstly that Mr Djokovic is not being held captive in Australia. He is free to leave at any time that he chooses to do so, and Border Force will actually facilitate that,” Ms Andrews told the ABC.

Australian tennis strategist Craig O’Shannessy, who was part of Djokovic’s coaching team between 2017-19, told The Age and The Herald that Djokovic may have misread the attitude of the Victorian community by seeking a vaccine exemption.

“When you read the room Down Under, getting vaccinated is a genuine national effort. There is a real ‘we are all in this together’ mentality,” he said.

But despite criticism of his views on vaccination, Djokovic found an unlikely ally in Australian tennis player Nick Kyrgios on Friday.

 

Speaking on Twitter, the Australian said he supported measures to stop the spread of COVID-19, but criticised the handling of Djokovic’s situation.

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Voracova is being held in the same hotel where Novak Djokovic is being detained.

“Look I definitely believe in taking action, I got vaccinated because of others and for my mum’s health,” Kyrgios said.

“But how we are handling Novak’s situation is bad, really bad.

A statement from the breakaway players’ union that Djokovic founded said he is safe and well despite spending the religious holiday of Orthodox Christmas in Melbourne detention.

 

“The PTPA (Professional Tennis Players Association) has been in close contact with Mr Djokovic, his family and legal counsel, government officials, and Australian Open leadership. Mr Djokovic has verified his well-being to us. He has also requested that we allow him to personally share the facts of his detainment in his own words, and in his own time.

“With the utmost respect for all personal views on vaccinations, vaccinated athletes and the unvaccinated athletes (with an approved medical exemption) should both be afforded the freedom to compete. We will continue to support and advocate for our members, and all players, in a manner that is acceptable to them.”

Four members of Djokovic’s team did not return phone calls and messages on Friday and two declined to comment.

 

 

 


 

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3 minutes ago, harper said:

 

Ne govorim ni ja o Srbiji. Covek je napravio revoluciju u tenisu, ako ce ga se neko i pored toga secati samo zato sto nije hteo da se vakcinise taj neko je debil. Dugacak je spisak genijalnih naucnika i umetnika kao i vrhunskih sportista koji su radili nenormalne stvari, po tome su ostali upamceni mozda samo oni koji su te nenormalne stvari radili na ekstremne nacine. Pa cak ih ni tada po tome ne pamte svi vec samo neki ili ih pamte i po jednom i po drugom. Ko pamti Borga po tome sto je za ciglo 7-8 godina karijere pojebao pola evropskih lepotica u svoje vreme? Kladim se da vecina ljudi koja ovde pise uopste i ne zna za taj deo Borgove "karijere". Ko danas pamti Lendla po tome sto je sa svojih 29 godina jebavao svoju petnaestogodisnju rodjaku pa cekao da postane punoletna da bi je ozenio. I to mogu da se kladim da za to vecina ljudi ovde nije ni cula a u to vreme je cela zapadna stampa vristala o tome mesecima.

 

Ovo su sve nebitne stvari. Kad korona prodje ili postane endemska bolest pa umine ova "Dragana Mirkovic" histerija oko pandemije cak i termini vakser i antivakser ce izbledeti u roku od mesec dana. Pisace o tim bizarnostima teniski istoricari u kontekstu "sta je sve mogao da nije ovo ili ono" ali to ionako niko ne cita pa i nema neke prevelike veze. Zao mi je svakog naduvanog balkanskog ega koji je iskoristio priliku da se malo proseta po ovom topiku ali Novak ce biti pamcen generacijama nakon sto mi svi bacimo kasiku, postanemo zaboravljeni i odemo da se druzimo s andjelima. To je prosto tako. Po zasluzi.

 

znaci tebi je ok ako on ostaje na 20 gs-a jer nece moci vise da igra zbog vakcine a recimo nadal ili federer osvoje 21 ili 22 znajuci da je djokovic mogao da stize do 25 ili vise!!??

 

aferim!

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7 minutes ago, harper said:

 

Ne govorim ni ja o Srbiji. Covek je napravio revoluciju u tenisu, ako ce ga se neko i pored toga secati samo zato sto nije hteo da se vakcinise taj neko je debil. Dugacak je spisak genijalnih naucnika i umetnika kao i vrhunskih sportista koji su radili nenormalne stvari, po tome su ostali upamceni mozda samo oni koji su te nenormalne stvari radili na ekstremne nacine. Pa cak ih ni tada po tome ne pamte svi vec samo neki ili ih pamte i po jednom i po drugom. Ko pamti Borga po tome sto je za ciglo 7-8 godina karijere pojebao pola evropskih lepotica u svoje vreme? Kladim se da vecina ljudi koja ovde pise uopste i ne zna za taj deo Borgove "karijere". Ko danas pamti Lendla po tome sto je sa svojih 29 godina jebavao svoju petnaestogodisnju rodjaku pa cekao da postane punoletna da bi je ozenio. I to mogu da se kladim da za to vecina ljudi ovde nije ni cula a u to vreme je cela zapadna stampa vristala o tome mesecima.

 

Ovo su sve nebitne stvari. Kad korona prodje ili postane endemska bolest pa umine ova "Dragana Mirkovic" histerija oko pandemije cak i termini vakser i antivakser ce izbledeti u roku od mesec dana. Pisace o tim bizarnostima teniski istoricari u kontekstu "sta je sve mogao da nije ovo ili ono" ali to ionako niko ne cita pa i nema neke prevelike veze. Zao mi je svakog naduvanog balkanskog ega koji je iskoristio priliku da se malo proseta po ovom topiku ali Novak ce biti pamcen generacijama nakon sto mi svi bacimo kasiku, postanemo zaboravljeni i odemo da se druzimo s andjelima. To je prosto tako. Po zasluzi.

 

sve je to tacno, ali ova pandemija je pokazala jednu meni jako bitnu stvar kod ljudi. bukvalno je lakmus dal si solidaran i brines o ljudima oko sebe ili ne. nazalost, novak (zasad) feljuje na tom testu. procice termini vakser i antivakser ali ce u nekom trenutku doci neka nova pandemija. ja iskreno moram da priznam da sam se u neke ljude oko sebe potpuno razocarao jer vidim u njima kurcobolju za drugoga. i nekako se to zaista iskristalise. obrati paznju malo oko. antivakseri u ovoj pandemiji su po prirodi sebicni, samozivi ili zesci narcisi. jebiga

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7 minutes ago, harper said:

Sto se njegovog odnosa prema vakcini tice imam svoje misljenje zasto ne zeli da bude vakcinisan ali mi ne pada na pamet da trosim vreme da bih se bavio ozbiljnije stvarima koju vecina otpisuje sa "antivakserska budaletina" jer ih mrzi da idu dalje od toga.

Ja želim da idem dublje od "antivakserska budaletina" ali nemam odakle da počnem. Ne pomažu ni njegovi drugi stavovi vezani za zdravlje i životni stil tipa piramide, odbijanje da se operiše itd... Možda bi mi pomoglo ako bi ti izneo to što misliš o razlozima zbog kojih ne želi da se vakciniše. 

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1 minute ago, Heaviside said:

Ja želim da idem dublje od "antivakserska budaletina" ali nemam odakle da počnem. Ne pomažu ni njegovi drugi stavovi vezani za zdravlje i životni stil tipa piramide, odbijanje da se operiše itd... Možda bi mi pomoglo ako bi ti izneo to što misliš o razlozima zbog kojih ne želi da se vakciniše. 

 

pa ne znam kako se moze ici dublje od toga. od svih vrhunskih sportista na svetu jedino on i kajri irving nisu vakcinisani, a irving je i ravnozemljas pride

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1 minute ago, Tsai said:

 

sve je to tacno, ali ova pandemija je pokazala jednu meni jako bitnu stvar kod ljudi. bukvalno je lakmus dal si solidaran i brines o ljudima oko sebe ili ne. nazalost, novak (zasad) feljuje na tom testu. procice termini vakser i antivakser ali ce u nekom trenutku doci neka nova pandemija. ja iskreno moram da priznam da sam se u neke ljude oko sebe potpuno razocarao jer vidim u njima kurcobolju za drugoga. i nekako se to zaista iskristalise. obrati paznju malo oko. antivakseri u ovoj pandemiji su po prirodi sebicni, samozivi ili zesci narcisi. jebiga

Nisu svi. Ima dosta antivaksera i među grupama sa najvećim rizikom. Oni pre svega rizikuju svoj život. Ima i zdravih i mladih koji jednostavno ne razumeju šta se dešava jer su izmanipulisani. Ne veruju da virus postoji ili misle da je bezazlen i da je neka zavera u pitanju, kao onaj nesrećnik koji je izgubio trudnu ženu i posle izjavio da je sve to sa Kovidom sumnjivo. 

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1 minute ago, black mirror said:

 

znaci tebi je ok ako on ostaje na 20 gs-a jer nece moci vise da igra zbog vakcine a recimo nadal ili federer osvoje 21 ili 22 znajuci da je djokovic mogao da stize do 25 ili vise!!??

 

aferim!

 

Nebitno je sta meni jeste ili nije OK, ne identifikujem se sa Djokovicevim sportskim uspesima. Prica o tome ko od njih trojice ima vec patku ionako mi vec godinama ide na zivce i bez toga sto ta prica ima velike veze sa ovim ludjenjima i prepucavanjima njihovih navijaca po drustvenim mrezama koja su od teniskih portala napravila cirkus. Najradije bih da se sva trojica odmah penzionisu i svima se skinu s kurca, neka puste ove mladje da prave neku novu pricu. Jesu genijalni teniseri i uzivanje ih je gledati ali sve ovo s njima trojicom i njihovom patoloskom trkom za trofejima u seniorskim, u Federerovom slucaju cetrdesetim, godinama je ozbiljno pocelo da smara.

 

O potrebi da se bude vakcinisan sam pisao nadugacko i nasiroko tamo gde se o tome pisalo kad se pisalo i moj stav po tom pitanju je jasan. ne bih tu nista dodavao.

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6 minutes ago, Tsai said:

 

pa ne znam kako se moze ici dublje od toga. od svih vrhunskih sportista na svetu jedino on i kajri irving nisu vakcinisani, a irving je i ravnozemljas pride

Pa, ne znam ni ja osim da ima neko medicinsko stanje za koje ne znamo, ali harper je očigledno išao dalje pa bih voleo da pročitam detalje. 

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7 minutes ago, Tsai said:

 

sve je to tacno, ali ova pandemija je pokazala jednu meni jako bitnu stvar kod ljudi. bukvalno je lakmus dal si solidaran i brines o ljudima oko sebe ili ne. nazalost, novak (zasad) feljuje na tom testu. procice termini vakser i antivakser ali ce u nekom trenutku doci neka nova pandemija. ja iskreno moram da priznam da sam se u neke ljude oko sebe potpuno razocarao jer vidim u njima kurcobolju za drugoga. i nekako se to zaista iskristalise. obrati paznju malo oko. antivakseri u ovoj pandemiji su po prirodi sebicni, samozivi ili zesci narcisi. jebiga

 

Ma, koja solidarnost. Jedino sto je meni ova pandemija pokazala je da mi oko ne bi trepnulo da nas rokne kometa i ljudska civilizacija nestane sa lica zemlje. Pod uslovom da normalne zivotinje prezive.

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2 minutes ago, Heaviside said:

Nisu svi. Ima dosta antivaksera i među grupama sa najvećim rizikom. Oni pre svega rizikuju svoj život. Ima i zdravih i mladih koji jednostavno ne razumeju šta se dešava jer su izmanipulisani. Ne veruju da virus postoji ili misle da je bezazlen i da je neka zavera u pitanju, kao onaj nesrećnik koji je izgubio trudnu ženu i posle izjavio da je sve to sa Kovidom sumnjivo. 

 

pa ima onih koji su denialu, ima onih koji su ludi potpuno jbg. ali govorim o ljudima iz mogu okruzenja sa kojima npr moze da se polemise. to su mahom narcisi i uglavnom jako sebicni ljudi

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Ma, koja solidarnost. Jedino sto je meni ova pandemija pokazala je da mi oko ne bi trepnulo da nas rokne kometa i ljudska civilizacija nestane sa lica zemlje. Pod uslovom da normalne zivotinje prezive.

 

hocu da kazem da jako postujem ljude koji su tokom pandemije pokazali solidarnost i brigu prema zajednici vakcinisuci se, a jako razocarenje u ljude koje jednostvno boli uvo za to

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Nemam puno razumijevanja za izbjegavanje vakcine, ali to je opet Novakovo pravo.

On bar ne nastupa agresivno u javnosti nagovarajući ljude da se ne vakcinisu tako da je malo glupo gaziti po njemu zbog toga.

 

A mjeriti njegovu brigu za druge na osnovu toga da li se vakcinisao ili ne, nakon svega što je uradio za druge, je čista glupost.

 

Sada baš gledajući stanje sa Omikronom u Australiji, ne vidim po čemu on ugrozava ikoga sve i da ga puste. Ponajviše ugrožava samo sebe 

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13 minutes ago, Tsai said:

 

sve je to tacno, ali ova pandemija je pokazala jednu meni jako bitnu stvar kod ljudi. bukvalno je lakmus dal si solidaran i brines o ljudima oko sebe ili ne. nazalost, novak (zasad) feljuje na tom testu. procice termini vakser i antivakser ali ce u nekom trenutku doci neka nova pandemija. ja iskreno moram da priznam da sam se u neke ljude oko sebe potpuno razocarao jer vidim u njima kurcobolju za drugoga. i nekako se to zaista iskristalise. obrati paznju malo oko. antivakseri u ovoj pandemiji su po prirodi sebicni, samozivi ili zesci narcisi. jebiga

 

ja bih pre rekao da su budale koje mrzi da koriste mozak i radije bi da to uradi fejsbuk umesto njih

 

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, Tsai said:

 

pa ne znam kako se moze ici dublje od toga. od svih vrhunskih sportista na svetu jedino on i kajri irving nisu vakcinisani, a irving je i ravnozemljas pride

 

ne pratim toliko kosarku ali da nije antivakser ne bih znao ko je ovaj lik. da mesi sutra propusti katar zbog vakcine e to bi vec bilo u rangu budalastine djokovica

 

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, harper said:

 

Nebitno je sta meni jeste ili nije OK, ne identifikujem se sa Djokovicevim sportskim uspesima. Prica o tome ko od njih trojice ima vec patku ionako mi vec godinama ide na zivce i bez toga sto ta prica ima velike veze sa ovim ludjenjima i prepucavanjima njihovih navijaca po drustvenim mrezama koja su od teniskih portala napravila cirkus. Najradije bih da se sva trojica odmah penzionisu i svima se skinu s kurca, neka puste ove mladje da prave neku novu pricu. Jesu genijalni teniseri i uzivanje ih je gledati ali sve ovo s njima trojicom i njihovom patoloskom trkom za trofejima u seniorskim, u Federerovom slucaju cetrdesetim, godinama je ozbiljno pocelo da smara.

 

O potrebi da se bude vakcinisan sam pisao nadugacko i nasiroko tamo gde se o tome pisalo kad se pisalo i moj stav po tom pitanju je jasan. ne bih tu nista dodavao.

 

ti kako hoces ali ostaje cinjenica da ako djokovic ostaje na 20 gs-a zbog vakcine bice zapamcen (van srbije naravno) kao antivakserska budala mmw

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