Politika u UK

[Marvin (Paranoid Android)]

3 minutes ago, hazard said:

Pritom sve zbog stvari koje nije izjavio javno, niti polujavno, već napisao u poverljivoj državnoj prepisci - radio čovek svoj posao. I ovo je moglo da bude izbačeno u javnost samo sa britanske strane.

 

Istraga poturica.

 

Upravo to. Čovek je radio tačno ono što mu je posao. Čak je bio vrlo, well, diplomata, kad je opisao onog narandžastog majmuna kao "potpuno dezorijentisanog i nesposobnog", moglo je tu sasvim fino da padne jačih superlativa.

 

2017. vrhunski evropski diplomata, Ivan Rogers je dao ostavku jer je britanska premijerka jurila brexit i nije mu davala podršku. 2019. vrhunski ambasador daje ostavku jer čovek koji će uskoro biti premijer juri brexit i ne daje mu podršku. Politički vrh vodi ideološke borbe sa najvećim asetom koji Britanija ima, sa javnom službom, rasteruje vrhunske diplomate i preko medija šalje poruke da država neće stati iza vas ako niste na pravoj strani.

 

Impresivno koliko zemlja nastavlja da se samouništava od 2016.

[hazard]

8 minutes ago, Marvin (Paranoid Android) said:

 

Impresivno koliko zemlja nastavlja da se samouništava od 2016.

 

Stay distraught and carry on

[mozzer]

https://pescanik.net/interesna-zajednica-elita/

[hazard]

Dobar tekst

[Marvin (Paranoid Android)]

Odličan je Gary Younge. Kako na gardijanu izađe nešto njegovo, obavezno se čita.

[vememah]

 

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BREXIT

 

11 JULY 2019

Boris Johnson has failed his first big test as a potential prime minister

Kim Darroch's resignation is the result of Johnson's spectacular failure to lead and to represent Britain's interests abroad.  

 

BYMARTIN FLETCHER

 

Boris Johnson has just flunked his first big test as a putative prime minister. Following the leak of Kim Darroch’s confidential cables appraising the Trump administration, he failed to support the British ambassador to Washington in the Conservative leadership TV debate. As a result, Darroch resigned.

 

This is an absolute disgrace. I know Darroch. Our paths have crossed at various times during my journalistic career. I have found him to be a brilliant diplomat, and as decent, honest and straight as they come. Trump's description of him as "whacky", "stupid" and "a pompous fool" could not be further from the truth.

 

But Johnson failed to stand up to Trump. He has allowed the White House to determine who represents Britain in Washington. He chose to capitulate to pressure from the bullying US president instead of defending a civil servant whose only "crime" was to do what he was paid to do – to give his masters back in London his best and most candid assessment of the Trump administration.

 

How does this constitute 'taking back control', or the reassertion of British sovereignty? If Johnson can't stand up to Trump on this issue, how will he stand up for British interests when it comes to negotiating a post-Brexit trade deal with the US, with Britain coming to the negotiating table as a supplicant? How will he resist Trump’s demands that we accept America’s chlorine-washed chickens, or that corporate America be let loose on the NHS?

 

And why are he and all the other Brexiteers so determined to cosy up to the lying, racist, sexist, boastful, dictator-hugging US president – a man whom Johnson himself once described as "stupefyingly ignorant" and unfit to hold office – while burning bridges with our true friends and allies in the European Union? 

 

Johnson – a former foreign secretary who should have known better – spectacularly failed to do the right thing, to show leadership, or to defend Britain’s interests. He could very easily have defended Darroch, as Jeremy Hunt did. If Britain’s relationship with the US is indeed strong and special, it would undoubtedly have survived. Instead he sent a signal of weakness that Trump, the most transactional of presidents, will surely seize upon – and one that will have been noted by the EU’s Brexit negotiators as well. 

 

One more thing. Johnson also conspicuously failed to condemn the real villain of this lamentable saga – the person who betrayed Darroch, damaged British interests and committed a criminal offence, under the Official Secrets Act, by leaking his cables.

 

There is little doubt in my mind that this person was a Brexiteer. The leak was made to Isabel Oakeshott, one of Nigel Farage and Arron Banks’ favourite journalists. It was placed in the Mail on Sunday, a vigorous champion of Brexit. And the net result has been to create a vacancy in Washington that prime minister Johnson can fill with a pro-Brexit zealot.

 

Unless, that is, Theresa May takes revenge against a colleague whose treachery and disloyalty has plagued her premiership, by appointing her own man, or woman, in one of her final acts before stepping down.

 

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/07/boris-johnson-has-failed-his-first-big-test-potential-prime-minister

Edited July 12, 2019 by vememah

[Budja]

Meni je potpuno neverovatno da neko brani ambadadora. Njegova pozicija je neodrživa nakon sto su komentari procurili. Tema je ko je pustio zvaku a ne ostavka ambasadora.

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Evo i to.


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[dragance]

Kakvo kvalitetno izdržavanje po Bojou, Trampari, a bome i Huntu i Corbynu usput!  Marina Hyde 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/12/country-beta-males-alphas-latin-president-tweeting-enemies

[Frank Pembleton]

Meni je potpuno neverovatno da neko brani ambadadora. Njegova pozicija je neodrživa nakon sto su komentari procurili. Tema je ko je pustio zvaku a ne ostavka ambasadora.

Pa njegov odlazak jeste "usled objektivnih okolnosti" bio neminovan. Ali se to drugačije odradi. Prvo sa gnušanjem osudiš tramparin rečnik a onda ambasador izjavi "da je njegova pozicija postala neodrživa i da se povlači na vlastiti zahtev radi dobrobiti svoje zemlje" i svi znaju šta je bilo i svi su dobili svoje...



... Shiit has hit the fan...

[Marvin (Paranoid Android)]

19 hours ago, Budja said:

Meni je potpuno neverovatno da neko brani ambadadora. Njegova pozicija je neodrživa nakon sto su komentari procurili. Tema je ko je pustio zvaku a ne ostavka ambasadora.

 

Sročio si kao da su te tri teme međusobno povezane u zero-sum game, a potpuno su odvojene, iako povezane naravno.

 

1. Pozicija naravno da je bila neodrživa nakon toga. Uostalom, ambasador je imao samo 6 meseci mandata ne samo u Vašingtonu, nego do penzije. U tom slučaju, dve države koje čak i nemaju neke bogznakakve prijateljske osnove će ovo rešiti diplomatskim protokolima koji su dobro uhodani i poznati.

 

2. Ambasador se morao braniti jer on sam ništa loše nije uradio. Nije uhvaćen u korupciji, nije uhvaćen u nekom blamirajućem opanjkavanju praksterima ili prerušenim reporterima, nije postojao video zapis gde on rentuje svoje mišljenje o Trampu tek onako, da kaže kolika je ovaj budala, pričajući sa prijateljima. Čovek je zaštićenim, diplomatskim telegramima javljao svojoj vladi svoje utiske o američkoj administraciji, o predsedniku, i kako po njegovom mišljenju treba vršiti pregovore s njim. I to, čini se, veoma precizno. Da li se leak dogodio inspirisan UK-unutrašnjim politikanstvima, vrlo verovatno, ali suštinski nebitno, USA trenutno ima dementnog tupsona sa mentalitetom pubertetlije za predsednika. U bilo kom drugom slučaju, gde se foreign policy ne kreira i ne obznanjuje na tviteru, USA i UK bi kao ekstremno bliski saveznici ovo našli način da diplomatski zapakuju u kutiju i uvežu mašnicom u roku od 2 sata. Dogovorili bi se da nekoliko američkih zvaničnika iskažu žaljenje zbog takvog mišljenja, UK zvaničnici bi podvlačili da je ovo samo mišljenje ambasadora (što je naravno besmislena rečenica, ali 80% diplomatije je izbacivanje besmislenim rečenicama), nakon mesec ili dva kad se sve stiša, ambasador bi sam podneo ostavku ili bi bio sporazumno povučen i novi postavljen na njegovo mesto jer mu je mandat ionako na isteku, onda kad to više ne bi bila The News. Ovako, dobili smo Trampa koji ajd što rentuje o ambasadoru rečnikom dvanaestogodišnjaka with ADD, ali Tramp je ošinuo i celu vladu UK i još uvek aktuelnu premijerku. Na stranu što mi svi znamo i mislimo da je premijerka budala a vlada gomila beksurpoloznih nesposobnjakovića, ovo se jednostavno ne radi najbližem političkom savezniku, pogotovo ne preko tvitera. U svakom mogućem slučaju kada se head of state druge države ovako iskenja po zvaničnicima tvoje države, moraju se braniti, po defaultu. Ambasador je vladin i kraljičin službenik, em što se on mora braniti, nego se mora braniti i sama cela vlada tek 5-6 nedelja nakon što su Trampu izvukli crveni tepih i organizovali posetu sa najvišim počastima. Na kraju krajeva, ovo je, potpuno vidljivo ispalo da je predsednik jedne druge države doneo odluku da ovaj ambasador nije po volji, i da treba da dođe neki drugi, što je nezamisliva diplomatska blamaža za UK, mnogi misle da je ovo najveća blamaža diplomatske sorte još od Suecke krize. Za državu poput Britanije je nezamislivo stanje stvari da prijateljska država, kamoli najbliži saveznik, dobije takav tretman*

 

3. Tema "ko je pustio žvaku" naravno da treba biti izbušena do samog dna, potpuno nezavisno od svega rečenog pod (1) i pod (2).

 

 

 

* - mislim, ko im jebe mater, ako se brexitovska Britanija uzdaje u Trampa, baš treba i da doživi da Tramp istovari kamion govana po njoj, ako hoće da bude bitch, neka vidi kako je to biti bitch, ali to je samo moj sentiment i uopšte ne ulazi u razmatranje "da li se ambasador morao braniti". Naravno da se morao.

[vememah]

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Boris Johnson branded 'irresponsible, self-serving buffoon' in devastating poll

Voters believe Boris Johnson is “irresponsible”, “untrustworthy”, “self-serving” and a “buffoon”, a poll revealed tonight.

A survey of 1,703 people showed 39% branded him a buffoon, 31% untrustworthy, 29% self-serving and 26% irresponsible.

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Two-per-cent of those quizzed by YouGov for the Hope Not Hate campaign and the anti-Brexit Best for Britain group chose “statesman-like”, 2% opted for “diplomatic”, 9% chose “racist” and 8% “womaniser”.

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-branded-irresponsible-self-18052109

[dragance]

Koji bi to cirkus bio kad bi, čim Boris bude izglasan za lidera Torija, a samim tim automatski i premijera, se glasalo o poverenju vladi. Samo kad bi se našlo nekoliko rebela hihi. Pa odmah na izbore. 

[vememah]

Dil o slobodnoj trgovini s Amerima samo što nije zahvaljujući velikom prijateljstvu koje SAD neguju sa Britanijom. Not.

 

Pajac BoJo tvrdi da će se pokušati da iskoristi Trampovu želju za dilom kako bi ubedio Amere da podignu standarde higijene i brige o životinjama u prehrambenoj industriji umesto da spusti britanske. Good luck with that.

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Boris Johnson has been warned by an American senator that he will face a “tough time” securing a quick post-Brexit trade deal with the United States.
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Johnson said he hoped to persuade the US to “lift” its standards on animal welfare and hygiene standards, rather than lowering the UK’s in order to help reach an agreement.

The Times newspaper also reported on Monday that Johnson hopes to secure a limited trade agreement in “one area” of goods by October 31.

But Senator Chris Murphy, the Democrat from Connecticut who sits on the foreign relations committee, warned Johnson it was not just up to Trump to agree any trade deal.

“President Trump is going to have a tough time getting a UK trade deal through Congress,” he told HuffPost UK.

“The United States has interests that we want to protect throughout the Brexit process, and there is bipartisan consensus against blowing up the Good Friday agreement which has maintained stability in Northern Ireland for over 20 years.

“I know the president wants to encourage Britain to leave the EU, but any trade agreement with the UK is going to have to come after we reinforce our trans-Atlantic relationship.”

Nancy Pelosi, the powerful Democratic Speaker of the US House of Representatives, has previously warned there is “no chance whatsoever” of a UK-US trade deal getting through Congress if Brexit could damage the Good Friday Agreement.

Speaking during last night’s head-to-head leadership debate hosted by The Sun, Johnson conceded the US would be “ruthless” in its trade talks. “They will be very very tough with us,” he said.

But he added: “I am not in favour of importing anything from the United States that involves lower animal welfare standards or lower hygiene.

“Donald Trump is very clear he wants to do a free trade deal. But we should use that an incentive to get them to lift their standards to march ours if they want to do a free trade agreement.”

 

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/chris-murphy-boris-johnson-trade-warning_uk_5d2d79b0e4b0a873f640d234

[Marvin (Paranoid Android)]

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Johnson said he hoped to persuade the US to “lift” its standards on animal welfare and hygiene standards, rather than lowering the UK’s in order to help reach an agreement.

 

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