Politika u UK

[hazard]

Postoji vrlo lak način da se izađe iz EU 31. oktobra, a to je da se izglasa Mejkin sporazum. Tranzicioni period koji traje fiksno do 31. januara 2020. će biti 6 meseci kraći, pa i time period tokom kog će Britanija biti pod zakonima i regulativom na čiji sadržaj više ne utiče, a i ,,razvodni račun" od 39 milijardi funti će biti značajno manji jer se najveći deo njega odnosi na novac koji Britanija treba da uplati u trenutno važeći budžet EU do kraja 2020.

[Marvin (Paranoid Android)]

Mislim da je to jednostavno nemoguće sada, sve od ostavke Mejove se stvara narativ da jednostavno izlazimo no matter what, a ako bude nekih problemčića, kriva je EU. Ova glupost o unilateralnom obaranju tarifa na nulu će dobiti taman dovoljan broj morona koji će da hufću i pufću u televizor "LOOK AT THE WAY THEY'RE TREATING US!" kad se pomene EU. To je sve. To je njihov celokupni politički cilj sada, ne neka vrsta kakvog takvog normalnog dogovora, samo izlazak i saniranje štete u glasačkoj populaciji, tj prebacivanje krivice.

 

A u međuvremenu, jebigica:

 

 

 

 

[hazard]

Pa mislim da paradoksalno upravo u atmosferi "we're getting out no matter what" može i da prođe Mejin dil, a da je na neki način neprincipijelni čovek PR projekcija Džonson idealan da to proda pučanstvu kao veliku pobedu...bumo videli

[Marvin (Paranoid Android)]

Nije nemoguće. Stvarno se sve može očekivati od njega. Samo da je malo verovatno. Ako većina njegove stranke, članova i glasača želi No Deal, on će gurati No Deal. To je sve što će mu biti važno.

[Sludge Factory]

6 hours ago, vememah said:

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Unicorns are still running free in the Tory leadership contest

 

 

 

 

Dodao bih samo "i dobrim delom citave UK". 

[vememah]

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Jeremy Hunt now leads Boris Johnson as the public's preferred successor by 41% to 29%. Among Conservative voters, Johnson is ahead by 48% to 39%.

As the Conservative leadership race comes down to the final two, Boris Johnson is falling back among the public, but perceptions of Jeremy Hunt are improving.

A quarter (25%) of people now think that Boris Johnson would be a good Prime Minister, and 58% think the opposite (a net figure of -33, compared to -18 a fortnight ago).

Views of Jeremy Hunt are moving in the opposite direction: 28% believe he’d make a good Prime Minister, and 43% imagine he’d make a bad one - a net figure of -14, compared to -24 a fortnight ago).

There have been similar increases across all questions on qualities and personality traits that we asked, with perceptions of Johnson falling across the board and perceptions of Hunt rising.

Despite this, Boris Johnson continues to have better ratings on being likeable and doing a good job of Brexit. Jeremy Hunt is now seen as more honest than Johnson, less divisive and is significantly more likely to be seen as having a good moral character.

 

 

Last week we ran a test asking how people would vote in four different scenarios, based on whether Boris Johnson or Jeremy Hunt were leader and whether the Government had managed to deliver Brexit or not. The results suggested that while Boris Johnson did outperform Jeremy Hunt, how well the Conservatives did was far more dependent upon whether they delivered Brexit.

Even that small Johnson advantage has now vanished. Asked the same hypothetical question - if Brexit is delivered, then Johnson and Hunt would deliver identical 10 point Conservative leads, both on 33%. If the government has failed to deliver Brexit then either leader would lose to the Brexit party, with Hunt on 21%, Johnson on 20%.

 

 

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/06/28/jeremy-hunt-now-leads-boris-johnson-publics-prefer

[vememah]

 

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What would it take for Labour to win a General Election? A new leader, and a new Brexit policy

June 28, 2019, 5:30 p.m.

 

Marcus Roberts

Director of International Projects

 

Jeremy Corbyn faces increasing pressure to shift Labour’s stance on Brexit. Many Remainers believe this would spark a revival of Labour fortunes. But are they correct? YouGov’s latest survey explores the results of various policy shifts.

 

What happens if Corbyn maintains ‘alternative Brexit’ policy?

 

In this scenario, Labour retains 38% of its 2017 voters, but slightly more would move to the Lib Dems (39%). In essence, sticking to its current position results in Labour losing half (51%) of its post-2017 defectors to the Lib Dems.

 

The Lib Dems hypothetical victory in this scenario could be driven by the fact that 52% of people who voted Remain in 2016 would vote for the Lib Dems, while just 21% would vote for Labour.

As for Labour Leavers, roughly one in five of those who voted Labour in 2017 but would not vote for them in a General Election tomorrow, i.e. lost Labour voters, would move to the Conservatives or the Brexit Party instead. It should be noted that under all scenarios this pro-Brexit Labour defectors group remains roughly the same.

 

What happens if Corbyn opposes Brexit and supports a new referendum?

 

The Lib Dems’ fall and Labour’s rise could be driven by a split in the Remain vote. In this scenario, the proportion of Remainers who said they would vote Lib Dem falls to 40%, while the proportion who would vote Labour rises to 33%.

 

What’s more, whilst Labour retains 50% of its 2017 voters in this scenario, one in four would still move to the Lib Dems (25%). 

 

 

Among the lost Labour voters, most would not move back to Labour even if Corbyn opposed Brexit: 41% would still move to the Lib Dems. However, one in five (19%) would return to Labour.

As we can see, it’s not as easy as Remainers might hope to say that a shift to Brexit opposition automatically brings back Labour’s post-2017 defectors. Indeed, such a shift could lead to the Remain vote being split equally between Labour and the Liberal Democrats, with the result that the Conservatives would enjoy their strongest showing.

 

What would it take for Labour to win a General Election?

 

Possibly a more enthusiastically Remain leader, such as Sir Keir Starmer, opposing Brexit and supporting a second referendum. But it’s worth noting that this leads to a win only by the narrowest of margins - just one percent.

In this scenario, the majority of Labour’s 2017 voters say they would remain loyal (58%, as well as pulling in 20% of Lib Dem voters and 6% of Green).

Where under Corbyn, Remain voters were still more likely to vote Lib Dem even if Labour stood against Brexit and for a new referendum, under Starmer, Remainers are more likely to say they would vote Labour than Lib Dem (42% Labour, 33% Lib Dem).

 

What’s more, this is the only scenario in which a plurality of lost Labour voters would return to the party (35%), while 31% would still vote for the Lib Dems instead.

 

 

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/06/28/what-would-it-take-labour-win-general-election-new

[vememah]

Malo detalja o Džeremiju Hantu, Borisovom protivkandidatu.

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If anyone hoped Hunt’s character might save the day, this swerving to woo members is true to form. In a now deleted tweet, David Cameron’s former director of strategy, Andrew Cooper, called him “an unprincipled windsock who will believe whatever he thinks you want him to believe”. As culture secretary, arbiter on a Murdoch bid to buy BSkyB, he hid behind a tree to avoid photographers catching him going to dinner with the Murdochs. To duck the blame, he fired his adviser for cosying up to the media oligarchs.

In the NHS, he fired chief executives brutally to frighten others, knowing them to be blameless. When a list of indebted trusts showed too many women executives for the chop, he changed the names arbitrarily. An observer of cabinet says he was a “lightweight who expressed no views”, and only tried to please. Hunt started his campaign with a call for a 12-week abortion cutoff, to woo Tories. Outrageously, he compared the EU to the USSR. As recently as 27 May he wrote in the Telegraph that the Conservatives “will be committing political suicide if they attempt to push through a no-deal Brexit” – but see how the windsock blows now.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/01/jeremy-hunt-tory-leadership-contender

Edited July 1, 2019 by vememah

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The two candidates for the Liberal Democrat leadership, Jo Swinson and Ed Davey, have both vowed not to put the Labour leader in office no matter the result of the next election.

 

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2019/07/lib-dems-pledge-against-jeremy-corbyn-suggests-next-parliament-could-be

[dragance]

kakav je ovo mindfuck - Italija se bolje snalazi nego UK u ovom previranju, a Belgija govna da jede.

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[Marvin (Paranoid Android)]

Trump calls May foolish as diplomatic row escalates

 

Theresa May faces a full-blown diplomatic standoff with the US after Donald Trump condemned Britain’s "stupid" ambassador to Washington over leaked memos critical of the White House, as Downing Street insisted Sir Kim Darroch had its full support.

 

"I told her how to do that deal, but she went her own foolish way – was unable to get it done. A disaster! I don’t know the ambassador but have been told he is a pompous fool. Tell him the USA now has the best economy and military anywhere in the world, by far and they are both only getting bigger, better and stronger."

 

 

 

 

Samo nek ih trpa. Kad su se u morona uzdali, neka ih sad kara svom snagom.

[Frank Pembleton]

Generalno, koliko je UK "šenio" pred USA, milo mi je videti kako ih ovaj ponižava...



... Shiit has hit the fan...

[Marvin (Paranoid Android)]

Ho ho ho ho ho

 

Sir Kim Darroch resigns as UK ambassador to US

 

 

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More from Foreign Office Minister Alan Duncan. He says he is "angry" Sir Kim Darroch has "not been supported by the likes of Boris Johnson".

"Boris Johnson, instead of supporting our ambassador, dived for cover and threw him under a bus," he says.

"Respect for Boris Johnson has taken a serious nose dive," he adds.

 

 

 

Samo nek ih trpaju, ko im jebe mater. Ko je hteo Brexit i Borisa samo nek sisa veliki američki kurac. Uživam.

[hazard]

Pritom sve zbog stvari koje nije izjavio javno, niti polujavno, već napisao u poverljivoj državnoj prepisci - radio čovek svoj posao. I ovo je moglo da bude izbačeno u javnost samo sa britanske strane.

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/britain-should-stand-by-its-man-in-dc-donald-trump/

 

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It is increasingly clear that the leak of Darroch’s confidential communication is part of the Brexit game, designed to harm him for his alleged Europhilia. Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage was first out of the traps in his criticism of Darroch, describing him as “totally unsuitable for the job and the sooner he is gone the better.”

 

The two men have a certain history. Darroch was British ambassador to the European Union while Farage has long been Britain's most high-profile anti-EU MEP. When they were both in Brussels, their mutual dislike was well known. Farage believed Darroch was a Europhile — not a crime at a halcyon time before the Brexit referendum when the British government’s policy was to support the EU from within.

 

Farage’s criticism of him (and the leaker’s likely motive) reflect the fact that Brexiteers believe Darroch is an unreconstructed Remainer, like most of the U.K. civil service doing their level best to frustrate Brexit.

 

There is not a shred of evidence for this, but it has become part of the Brexiteers’ narrative and forms part of their attack on the impartiality of the civil service (something they weirdly share with Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn) as well as the judiciary, the BBC and of course the House of Commons itself, which stubbornly refuses to facilitate a no-deal Brexit.

 

Istraga poturica.